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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 9:54:31 AM   
SireKane


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Status: offline 		I'm confused as why you would look to this forum for advice being that you have a master. This is a situation that your master should definately be handling. You do not need to bring up abuse, or your bdsm lifestyle if you simply want a divorce. My lifestyle was brought up in court by my ex during my divorce.  It's not going to give either of you any advantage, community property is divided 50/50 despite your kink, or who is at fault.  Have your master fly you home to San Diego, and file for divorce. It's that simple.

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 9:54:51 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		People use bdsm and Ds and Ms and all that as an excuse and shield for their wrong behavior all the time.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_130087/mpage_1/key_sadist%252Cabuse/tm.htm#130087
What is a sadist?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_308357/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#308357
Training and abuse

http://www.collarchat.com/m_255676/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#255676
Defining Domination v Abuse

http://www.collarchat.com/m_224182/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#224182
Ms/Ds is it a license to abuse?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_177013/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#177013
Discipline or abuse?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_142096/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#142096
Abuse vs discipline

http://www.collarchat.com/m_131849/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#131849
Abuse disguised as dominance

http://www.collarchat.com/m_123045/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#123045
Overuse of "Abuse"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_47262/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#47262
Physical Abuse of a slave

http://www.collarchat.com/m_41029/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#41029
SM vs Abuse

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1874/mpage_1/key_abuse/tm.htm#1874
BDSM versus Abuse



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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:00:09 AM   
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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:13:26 AM   
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If you're not going to actually get off your ass and do something, you deserve what you get. Yes, it is harsh but I'm tired of the whining and excuses. You got your ass in this, you need to get your ass out of it.


It's very clear that you have never been an abusive relationship - or at least not on the receiving end. Part of the reason abuse continues is because it is not just physical but mental and the abusee begins to think it's all right. He's "just" slamming my head into the counters, it "only" happens once or twice or week, it's "ok" most of the time. As other have said, coddling is not needed but to say they deserve what they get is exactly like telling a woman who, at 90 pounds and battling an eating disorder, is fat.

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:16:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

If you're not going to actually get off your ass and do something, you deserve what you get. Yes, it is harsh but I'm tired of the whining and excuses. You got your ass in this, you need to get your ass out of it.


I don't like to get personal but this is the most offensive post I have seen since joining.  Obviously you know nothing of the dynamics of an abusive relationship.  Yes it is her choice to stay or leave.  But she came here for advice and support.  Please leave this topic if it offends you so much.

He gave her sound advice in my mind.
Sometimes people sit back and complain waiting for someone to save them.
His kick in the pants was to motivate her into seeing she needs to act on this or there's nothing left to do but accept it.
ALl of us saying oh poor poor dear I feel bad for you or offering sound advice that she's not choosing to opt into doing to help herself leaves me to think Mr Dicipline's right on the mark and ENTITLED as much as you to give advice here he sees fit to give.
Who made you forum Goddess or Moderator??


How do we know she isn't going to take it? If in six months she is still whining, then yes give her the harsh kick to the ass. But give her some time to process and to set up her plans. I've dealt with this in real life and telling her she deserves it isn't helpful in ANY way, shape or form.

Tell her to put up or shut up. Tell her to deal with it, to get out. Tell her that if she doesn't take reasonable action within a reasonable amount of time, you aren't going to out of your way anymore to help. But don't, don't ever tell her she deserves it.

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:17:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course I am not a "forum Goddess or Moderator."  What I am is an individual who has been through this and speaks from the experiences only of myself and those who have shared their stories with me.  It is a hot topic for me and perhaps I could have phrased my post better.  The one thing I do know is the abused need your help and support.  Don't expect the person to be rational.  When you're that beaten down, it is hard to get up.  Money concerns are often used as an excuse to stay and they can be a real issue.  But it is not the real reason people stay.  It is hard to see clearly when you have lost all faith in yourself.  As my therapist has pointed out I am very good at finding excuses why I can't do things to the point of ridicule.  Taking action was very difficult for me and took time to get there.  I am extremely happy with the changes I have made in my life.  I hope someday MissO and all others like her, male or female, can look back on the difficult actions they took  with pride in themselves. 

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:28:38 AM   
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If you're not going to actually get off your ass and do something, you deserve what you get.



How do we know she isn't going to take it? If in six months she is still whining, then yes give her the harsh kick to the ass. But give her some time to process and to set up her plans. I've dealt with this in real life and telling her she deserves it isn't helpful in ANY way, shape or form.

Tell her to put up or shut up. Tell her to deal with it, to get out. Tell her that if she doesn't take reasonable action within a reasonable amount of time, you aren't going to out of your way anymore to help. But don't, don't ever tell her she deserves it.
How do we know she isn't going to take it? If in six months she is still whining, then yes give her the harsh kick to the ass. But give her some time to process and to set up her plans. I've dealt with this in real life and telling her she deserves it isn't helpful in ANY way, shape or form.

Tell her to put up or shut up. Tell her to deal with it, to get out. Tell her that if she doesn't take reasonable action within a reasonable amount of time, you aren't going to out of your way anymore to help. But don't, don't ever tell her she deserves it.

He did not say she deserved it.
He said if she's not willing to do anything but whine here, and does not act proactively on her behalf then she deserves it as she's not doing anything to change it.
I'm sorry, but it seems it's all about money with this girl, and not about right or wrong behavior.
My first D/s relationship tore me apart and was very abusive and traumatic.
I stayed 1-1/2yrs as he had 2 unmentionables I became attached to.
The DAY and only time he ever hit me in an uncontrolled rage I took photos, sealed them in a manila envelope, mailed them to my best friend with a note that said don't open this except in the event I disappear, I went over and told his Aunt what he did and showed her the marks, and moved out in a week.
When I told him I was leaving I told him I'd mailed the photos and would get a restrainign order if necessary.
I was not willing to stay and hope he paid to set me up in my own place elsewhere as a departing gift, nor was I willing to keep his problem a secret like it was my fault.
It took me about 6 months to regain any emotional composure and still I'm tainted by the heavy emotional abuse.
I know I may be stronger than her, older than her, and in my home country, but the way she's just excusing sound advice away like she wants her abuse to stay a well kept secret and wants the Korean Govt. to find a way to make her spouse give her half his money leaves her pretty transparently seeking people to do the work for her, and even GOD only helps those that are willing to help themselves.
suzanne

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:34:25 AM   
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The cost of a one-way ticket from Seoul Korea is about $1,400. If you don't have it or its not available in a credit card solicit it from your family/friends. Unless their words; "I told you so" do more damage to you than your "abusive" husband. I put that in quotes, because were it me, I'd identify your infidelity with your "master" as "abuse" of him. I'm ignorate to services availible in the military, but aren't emergency funds available from sources such as the USO?

Pragmatic personal "advise"? Get off this site, erase your profile, and as much of any other reference you can find to your "slavery" or BDSM activity. If your husband has pictures or any documents of BDSM taking place between the two of you, expect to see it in any divorce proceedings. The subtlety between consensual BDSM and non-consensual abuse is often lost in the legal system. At best, you can expect sentiments similar to those in support of you here. At worse, especially if your husband produces pictures of you smiling while having alligator clips on your nipples and/or brings documentation of your infidelity with a "master" either on-line or up close and personal; your claim of "abuse" will be greatly discounted. It may not be "right" and/or "fair" but it is in the nature of "blind justice".

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:38:53 AM   
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Of course I am not a "forum Goddess or Moderator."  What I am is an individual who has been through this and speaks from the experiences only of myself and those who have shared their stories with me.  It is a hot topic for me and perhaps I could have phrased my post better.  The one thing I do know is the abused need your help and support.  Don't expect the person to be rational.  When you're that beaten down, it is hard to get up.  Money concerns are often used as an excuse to stay and they can be a real issue.  But it is not the real reason people stay.  It is hard to see clearly when you have lost all faith in yourself.  As my therapist has pointed out I am very good at finding excuses why I can't do things to the point of ridicule.  Taking action was very difficult for me and took time to get there.  I am extremely happy with the changes I have made in my life.  I hope someday MissO and all others like her, male or female, can look back on the difficult actions they took  with pride in themselves. 
.
Ages ago in my early twenties I too had done therapy as I too have a huge history of men and abuse starting at age 12 with my Dad.
THe therapist told me sometimes when we're so shut down we excuse away all help because we don't see the way out is worth the effort. Often a firm swift kick in the mental places that pisses us off and makes us offended is what needs to happen for us to take the ball and run with it in the right direction.

I personally have found enabeling people who say they want help, but excuse away all their options leads you to carrying other people who don't choose to stand up on their own.
Both the poor poor dear we pity you posts and get off your ass or you're enabeling his abuse may be necessary in her waking up and smelling the coffee.

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:39:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

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ORIGINAL: BitchGoddessD

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

If you're not going to actually get off your ass and do something, you deserve what you get. Yes, it is harsh but I'm tired of the whining and excuses. You got your ass in this, you need to get your ass out of it.


I don't like to get personal but this is the most offensive post I have seen since joining.  Obviously you know nothing of the dynamics of an abusive relationship.  Yes it is her choice to stay or leave.  But she came here for advice and support.  Please leave this topic if it offends you so much.

He gave her sound advice in my mind.
Sometimes people sit back and complain waiting for someone to save them.
His kick in the pants was to motivate her into seeing she needs to act on this or there's nothing left to do but accept it.
ALl of us saying oh poor poor dear I feel bad for you or offering sound advice that she's not choosing to opt into doing to help herself leaves me to think Mr Dicipline's right on the mark and ENTITLED as much as you to give advice here he sees fit to give.
Who made you forum Goddess or Moderator??


Shall I retaliate against a post like this or should I just turn the other cheek?
Oh what the f**k I think it deserves a bit of retaliation!

You sound like one angry woman
You can’t buy compassion but if you could, you could certainly do with a healthy dose of it!!!
The word bitter comes to mind. Are you not having a good day darling?

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:48:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

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ORIGINAL: BitchGoddessD

Of course I am not a "forum Goddess or Moderator."  What I am is an individual who has been through this and speaks from the experiences only of myself and those who have shared their stories with me.  It is a hot topic for me and perhaps I could have phrased my post better.  The one thing I do know is the abused need your help and support.  Don't expect the person to be rational.  When you're that beaten down, it is hard to get up.  Money concerns are often used as an excuse to stay and they can be a real issue.  But it is not the real reason people stay.  It is hard to see clearly when you have lost all faith in yourself.  As my therapist has pointed out I am very good at finding excuses why I can't do things to the point of ridicule.  Taking action was very difficult for me and took time to get there.  I am extremely happy with the changes I have made in my life.  I hope someday MissO and all others like her, male or female, can look back on the difficult actions they took  with pride in themselves. 
.
Ages ago in my early twenties I too had done therapy as I too have a huge history of men and abuse starting at age 12 with my Dad.
THe therapist told me sometimes when we're so shut down we excuse away all help because we don't see the way out is worth the effort. Often a firm swift kick in the mental places that pisses us off and makes us offended is what needs to happen for us to take the ball and run with it in the right direction.

I personally have found enabeling people who say they want help, but excuse away all their options leads you to carrying other people who don't choose to stand up on their own.
Both the poor poor dear we pity you posts and get off your ass or you're enabeling his abuse may be necessary in her waking up and smelling the coffee.



A swift kick is one thing. Telling them they deserve it is another. That is exactly what the abuser is trying to get them believe.

"If you're not going to actually get off your ass and do something, you deserve what you get. Yes, it is harsh but I'm tired of the whining and excuses. You got your ass in this, you need to get your ass out of it. "

I was unaware that abuse has a statute of limitations. "Oh sorry, we can't help you! You stayed with your abuser 10 years, sucks to be you, you've got to stay there! You didn't get yourself out quickly enough, you deserve your abuse."

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:54:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

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ORIGINAL: BitchGoddessD

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

If you're not going to actually get off your ass and do something, you deserve what you get. Yes, it is harsh but I'm tired of the whining and excuses. You got your ass in this, you need to get your ass out of it.


I don't like to get personal but this is the most offensive post I have seen since joining.  Obviously you know nothing of the dynamics of an abusive relationship.  Yes it is her choice to stay or leave.  But she came here for advice and support.  Please leave this topic if it offends you so much.

He gave her sound advice in my mind.
Sometimes people sit back and complain waiting for someone to save them.
His kick in the pants was to motivate her into seeing she needs to act on this or there's nothing left to do but accept it.
ALl of us saying oh poor poor dear I feel bad for you or offering sound advice that she's not choosing to opt into doing to help herself leaves me to think Mr Dicipline's right on the mark and ENTITLED as much as you to give advice here he sees fit to give.
Who made you forum Goddess or Moderator??


Shall I retaliate against a post like this or should I just turn the other cheek?
Oh what the f**k I think it deserves a bit of retaliation!

You sound like one angry woman
You can’t buy compassion but if you could, you could certainly do with a healthy dose of it!!!
The word bitter comes to mind. Are you not having a good day darling?


NO, I'm not bitter, and I don't need to buy additional compassion.
I'm actually just calling it like I see it from her own statements here.

I may be sensative to those who cry my life's terrible, but I'm going to sit here and do nothing but complain till someone hands me what I want on a silver platter and even then I may not accept it if it's not just the way I want to be helped as my Ex-housemate was a whiner too.
She'd never say hey, can you help me with ex? Instead she bitch and moan over an hour excpeting you to offer to help her.

If this girls as fearful and concerned for her health as she says why the hell wouldn't she at least get her Family to bring her home, or the military involved.
I'll tell you why, she wouldn't be able to hold his purse strings she admitted she married him for any longer.
suzanne

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:54:58 AM   
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...how does the law look at a BDSM lifestyle in a divorce?...


"the law" will take into consideration your mental health, as soon as either of you bring in "BDSM lifestyle".  saying things like"Sure, i'm a slave, but not for him, that wasn't consensual"? doesn't help to convince them that you are mentally stable and in touch with reality.
 
1.  according to the "law" in California, you aren't allowed to be anyone's "slave" or "property" regardless of if they are your Master, your husband, or both.

2.  according to the law in California, you aren't allowed to consent to the thing he calls "Domming", or what other folks label "impact play"or any "forced" sexual acts.  it's a bit harder to prove it even happened at all without evidence such as bruising, a trip to the ER, Police reports and whatnot, but it still is very much against the law to strike another person and force them to have sex with you, even if they are your wife, so YOUR WORD does mean something.
 
3.  don't want to ruin his reputation for some reason?  been there, done that...turns out he continued to ruin his reputation all on his own.  However, he let go pretty easy just thinking about what could have been brought to light that wasn't.  this slave was suprised that he was more willing to avoid the public humiliation and just let go, but then, predators would much rather have a complacent victim than one that is going to cause them aggravation and expose them.  it also means they are free to hunt, rather than being caged or hobbled.
 
4.  you don't have to prove abuse to file for and be granted a divorce in California.
 
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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 10:57:55 AM   
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Both the poor poor dear we pity you posts and get off your ass or you're enabeling his abuse may be necessary in her waking up and smelling the coffee.


You are absolutely right. There is a need for compassion....but there is nothing wrong with balancing it with a good healthy dose of "wake up". The vast majority of posters will lean on the side of compassion or pity. When you are in a bad situation that is really nice to have. But all of the compassion in the world isn't going to change her situation. She is the ONLY one with the power to do that.

Yes, she will need time to reflect and process all of this, lick her wounds and get her head right again. There will be plenty of time for that AFTER she addresses the immediate problem....which is removing herself from a situation where her physical safety is in jeopardy. Every single moment that she continues to stay she VOLUNTEERS herself to be his victim. And when we volunteer for something, where does the responsibility lie?

She needs to stop making excuses and finding reasons to discount and minimize what is going on and use that energy to find a way to get out. Once she does that then she can cry a river or two...and there won't be any shortage of compassionate people who would be happy to help her sort out the pieces.

Does saying so make me cold hearted? Well, I am sure in some people's opinions it does exactly that. It's been in my experience though that telling someone in her position what MUST be done is far more effective than saying "you poor thing, I feel so sorry for you".

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 11:02:49 AM   
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I do want to know why her master hasn't simply flown her to the US but I also want to know if this is her first time asking for help about this. Generally, we don't kick people in the ass when they have just asked for help for something that requires time, energy and a great deal of emotional strength to fix.

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 11:13:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I looked at his profile, he's in Germany.

Airfares that originate outside the US but are purchased in the US tend to be expensive. I can understand being hesitant to ask someone for that much money. Also, she hasn't said if her relationship with her Master is an online one or not. Which would also influence the situation.

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 11:23:40 AM   
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I looked at his profile, he's in Germany.


Maybe, but based upon a page 1 she's in Korea; "i can't deal with civilian police here in Korea..."

Airfare from Seoul - $1,400/one way.

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 11:24:42 AM   
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~Question to All~

I do want to know why her master hasn't simply flown her to the US but I also want to know if this is her first time asking for help about this. Generally, we don't kick people in the ass when they have just asked for help for something that requires time, energy and a great deal of emotional strength to fix.


i was wondering about this, too, so i checked her master's profile.  He is 21, lives in Germany & to quote from his profile: "To be honest, I'm totally new at all of this. I don't know anything about what I am doing. The only reason I am here, really, is because I was invited by Miss Ochistic..."

i also wonder about all the negative responses.  It doesn't seem to me that offering some sound advice & positive encouragement to her is "coddling" her or saying anything like "you poor dear".  It's just giving her some helpful resources and information to use to do what she needs to do to get out of a situation that sounds bad. 
 
Nobody really knows, except MissO, what she is going through.  But, to be 18 & in a foreign country & feeling isolated & trapped is not a good situation to be in and all the backlash toward her seems unnecessary, unhelpful & uncalled for.  She asked for some help.  Why not offer it?  What she chooses to do with it is up to her and she'll have to live with that.  But, honestly does she really deserve to be lambasted here, just for asking a question?
 
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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 11:37:20 AM   
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Airfare from Seoul - $1,400/one way.


Airfare one way from Seoul to San Diego for a Military Spouse or dependent: $614.90. No advance purchase required.

I referred to him being Germany because someone asked why she hadn't solicited his help with an airline ticket.

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RE: Abuse = BDSM - 5/9/2007 11:47:27 AM   
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How much is a flight to Nigeria?

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