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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/9/2007 10:48:19 PM   
MissDiscipline


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Look - you know what the hell your husband is into-  there is no way he has supressed all those deep rooted  ideas. Maybe you want support or guidance  on what to do -  or maybe you are just mad at him right now and want to put him on  blast- Being a slave or a sub  does  not equate being an to idiot- If you abhoor his ideals - Get the hell out while you are still young or just accept him for who he is and serve him like a slave.  Maybe he is just  wants to keep  his blood line "pure". Question- Are you 100% German and of  blood line? If he discovers a "drop" you are out like tuesdays trash- Or maybe he would like  his kin to marry his kin- that'll keep em pure - yuk yuk yuk...- I figure if he is in the U.S. - He's a Mutt too!!!  

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/9/2007 11:12:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: damia


i love Him very much, and i know we are very good for each other, but....this really bothers me. He said we need to talk tomorrow, and i'm pretty sure it's about me walking away while He was talking, and i will be bringing up my problem with His racism then. It really bothers me...is there some way that i can help Him be less racist, or not racially tolerant altogether? i grew up very tolerant, personally.


 
I see more than one problem here...however the most glaring is that the two of you are not talking "Face to face".  If you cannot be honest enough with yourself to tell him how you feel, then your relationship is doomed.  I'm not trying to throw this in your face or make you feel bad....it just seems that there was not enough communication of likes and dislikes at the start, and if there had been...well this problem would not even be there.
 
What I would advise is to sit down with your Dominant and respectfully speak freely.  Tell him how you feel and the impact it has on you and on the possibility of future children.  Speak of your values as well as his...and understand his and ask that he repsects your's too.
 
I hope this and others advice helps in any small way...you do have a difficult task...
 
"Igonorance is curable, but stupid is forever"
 
Best to you in this issue...

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/9/2007 11:25:04 PM   
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You asked "is there some way that i can help Him be less racist, or not racially tolerant altogether? "
Well I  am sure you could make him ACT   anyway you wanted if he was your slave and  you were his Domme- But I am guessing you  already knew that. Question;  Does he know you dont agree with his thinking- I  mean on the real up and up. Doesnt he know you  have threatened to leave him if he doesnt change? Didnt anyone tell you - it isnt your role to try to change anyone-

I have no tolerance for those who have no tolerance-MissD, CM0507

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/9/2007 11:31:43 PM   
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Dear damia,

Don't really know you, won't profess to, and will try not to pick up a gavel
and pound you about the head with judgements. i must say though, if i am
to believe that you never had an inkling of his pride and predjudice before
batting your eyes and committing to the big "i do", then i must believe he
had just a tad bit more of a heaping helping of vanilla white wedding cake
frosting then he could handle. "Poof", he's a racist, hmmmmmm, probably
ate all those pretty little flowers and borders too, solidifying his new found
distain for every color in the crayon box. Some boys just never learn how
to play nice with others, we all know at least one, and yes, we have more
than likely laughed along with their cruelty at some weakened moment of
our own resolve. Probably more than once, probably because if we are
honest with ourselves, we all, to some extent, feel it and do it at some point
in our day to day as we skip merrily along hugging and kissing all those who
are so fortunate to cross the threshold of our little, all accepting, perfect ways.
Cultures clash, traditions travail, and we don't always love the skin they're in,
sometimes holding the entirety of their populace hostage to a moments ugly
frustration. We do it, they do it, i do it, you do it, no matter how hard we try
to be a loving, all encumbering, all accepting addition to the human race. Some
of us however, resist slipping a ring on the finger of one whom obviously harbors
more than their fair share of insensitive and unkind flaws and faux pauxs toward
their fellow human beings. "Can't we all just get along?" Frankly, no, we can't,
otherwise the world would not be in the state of disarray it is, has been, and
most likely always will be. The problem won't be solved here, and yours most
likely won't be either. He is what he is, more than likely has been for quite some
time, for whatever reasons he possesses to be such. More than likely, his
children will grow up to marry who they damn well please, gifting him with a
potpourri of grandchildren who'll contain a mixture of this glorious little globe
of ours. Kings and kingdoms fall, commoners infiltrate and marry royalty,
and the world goes round. You my dear, as upset and insulted as you portray
yourself, face quite the predicament. Stay with a man you profess to love,
cringing each moment he spews his distain, forever captive of a tissue issue,
slip quickly out of the dungeon after creating an extreme makeover of that
bridal gown, perhaps dyed black, long, thigh high slit up the side, or hope
and pray that with love, communication and example, you can mellow the
fellow just a bit to make existing at his side a less painful application of
devotion than you offer your audience at the misery matinee. Ultimately,
it is you, not we, whom will serve and obey, till death do you part, though
you seem to be dying a little inside already, due to a tyrants ugly tantrums.
i wish you well Dear damia, even if i can't solve your woes, even with a wish.

With Love and Respect,

(the vanilla, white bread, honky, cracker,
gringo, casper boy that i am)

chia* (the pet)    


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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/9/2007 11:41:45 PM   
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you may serve him, but your children will not. I believe that you have the right to speak for your unborn and tell him that he will not be controlling their lives according to his ideals, and if he does not like that, he should not have children.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 12:20:02 AM   
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Words gain power when revered.  And some people just don't give a damn about them.

Seriously, "cracker" reminds me of the fact I like crackers- they're yummy.  I don't even know what 'the N-word' is supposed to mean.  A reference to Nigeria?  Hell, who cares?  My friends and I call eachother 'the N-word' a lot, jokingly, despite whatever race we are.

Meh.  Sorry, I can't help your situation a lot, the subject just inspires me to rant.

I'd ask you consider that your Master might be not mean the words in a racially-offensive manner.  It may be a silly sterotype, but I find "fucking idiots" tend to hate racial slurs- they take so much offense- but some even like being called an idiot!  If he wants to get the point across to them, chosing different words may simply just be more effective.

Then again, I'm sure that my opinion about racism being taken far too seriously is effecting my opinion on the matter.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 12:25:22 AM   
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One has to ask why you married in the first place, if you didn't know this about him you must have married within the first 24 hours of meeting him. Either that or you are a drama queen.

If you want to leave, leave.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 12:57:47 AM   
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I wonder though, if alike with many plantation owners, he would have no racial qualms about impregnating a black woman?

Racism amazes me - yes, its offensive, but more importantly for my amazement is that its so damned stupid. It makes the racist, however he might be descended from nobility or educated to a high level, an utter idiot. An utter idiot in this case, no better than those he wishes to condemn.

Why do I find it so stupid? Well, as some here will know my religion is Asatru - Germanic/Norse paganism. Within the whole, we get quite a few racist types attaching themselves, impressed with the mistaken idea that a Germanic or Norse bloodline is a requirement and that Asatru thus requires them in turn to preserve their bloodlines and to keep the religion racially pure. Bunkum.

Why is it bunkum? Well, because whilst such people would have no problem with admitting a pure Irish person to the ranks, that person being white but not at all Germanic or Norse, they would have a problem with a French Algerian whose father was an Arab and whose mother was from Normandy, being coloured, even though this second person would be at least half Germanic/Norse.

Above al though, Asatru is about what one does, not about what one is; in life in general, the same thing should apply.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 2:21:41 AM   
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damia:

I can't tell you what you should do. I can tell you, from personal experience just how this will play out.

You can do as some of the people have suggested and talk to him about this. It may temper his comments. What you will get in return however is still just as ugly and still just as racist. Subtle racism is just as racist as outright and in your face racism. What's worse about the subtle form though is that it will be more believeable to folks like your eventual children simply because it's not so evident.

I don't believe, as one post said that the anger and the racism are two different subjects. To me they are the same exact subject. Uncontrollable anger toward you and racism is rooted in the exact same core issue - a lack of respect for others.

What you will get as your life continues are comments at every news program, every television show, every time things don't work right for him about how his life is so put upon by those people who have something different from him. There will be times that it is so amazingly disgusting that you will do what you did this time - walk away and out of the room. What's more horrible though is that over time, you will come to accept that this is just the way he is and while you shake your head, you will be tacitly agreeing with him. And you will teach your children to do the same thing. When they ask you what daddy means, you'll tell them "well, everyone has their own beliefs, but we love them anyway" or something along those lines and your children will begin to buy into what he's saying. If your children actually do NOT buy into his belief system, they will end up not respecting him even as they love him.

I know this because my ex is a bigot. He did - and does all these things. I accepted his views for a long time - didn't believe in them, but accepted that he could have whatever views he wanted. And then, one day, his youngest son used one of his terms. I was appalled. I was disgusted. And I knew it was my fault that he'd ever learned that term in the first place - from his father no less. Because I simply didn't take a stand about what was important. It's not enough to simply have a belief that people are more similar than they are different. You have to live your beliefs, otherwise, those who live theirs will be the believable ones. In your case, if your husband's views are racist and yours are not, but he's living his views and you're keeping your views quiet, you are helping him to ingrain those views of his into the next generation - even while you say you're hating the views.

Oh yea... my husband had a little anger management problem as well. What was just an argumentative man at the beginning of my marriage was a full blown, all out abusive one by the end of my marriage and hindsight being 20/20, ALL the signs were there at the beginning. I just chose to ignore them until they couldn't be ignored and I'd gone through more than anyone should ever have to go through.

These days, I'm divorced. I never wanted to be. I married with all the same beliefs and intentions you did. I loved that man. It's just that as time went on, I discovered that while I loved the man, I didn't love his beliefs much at all. And I certainly didn't love how he handled stress. I paid the price every time. Along the way, I discovered that beliefs are just as much a part of someone as everything else they do, and a pretty outer coating is just the wrapping. If they are ugly on the inside, they are ugly through and through. (In fact, my usual analogy these days is that my ex is like an apple. He's wonderful and sweet and tasty, and all sorts of great things... but just like an apple, if you turn him around, there's this rotten spot and that spot has grown to affect the entire apple - even though the peel is still just as bright and shiny and red and even though he looks as if he's just as sweet as he always did)  Along the way, my other family members learned how to hide their friendships at school, how to smile their way through his tirades against the cultures of their friends without saying anything even though they were seething inside, and how to not trust me when I told them that they could be friends with whomever they chose and that it was ok. Yup.. how to not trust ME.

When I divorced my husband, my family members and I spent the next 5 years dealing with the wounds of that marriage. My family members had to learn how to talk about their problems, not yell and hit. They had to learn how to take responsibility for their decisions without making scapegoats out of other people and cultures. They had to learn how to have the courage of their convictions and that they could have friendships that were open and innocent. And they had to learn how to love their father even as they hated him for all the negative things he'd "taught" them.

Even now, he's the butt of their jokes - and when they're quieter, he's the source of their sadness ("why does Dad hate everyone so much?"). They worry about things that they're too young for right now ("Mom, what happens when I get married? Will I be able to invite my friends? They're African American and you know how Dad is." I just smile and tell them "oh honey, he'll have bigger things to worry about.")

No one can make such a decision for you damia. It's something you have to come to on your own and the reality is that it may take years or you may decide to never make a change. Only you know what's right for you.

I would urge one thing though - and that very well may be too difficult at the age of 20. Whatever you decide, don't decide based on what other people think. Now, to me, this means don't decide to stay simply because you're young and it's only been three months and you don't want to disappoint _____________ (you fill in the blank). This is YOUR life and I can pretty much guarantee that if you do decide to walk away, those who love you will be there for you. And if you tell them why you're walking away, they'll be standing by your side. I'm betting they will be proud of you (my dad was). Just don't stay out of embarrassment. But that's only my view.

If your view is that you should stay, no matter what, then stay. But don't expect that he will change and don't expect that you'll be able to protect your children against his views. You can try, but it just doesn't work that way.

juliet

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 3:12:35 AM   
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What more can be said - juliet, that was such a heartfelt and open post. I can't agree more. Fortunately I've never been married to a bigot of this order, but I have met plenty and they are polluters of other minds. damia, while I too am amazed that this didn't appear before you married, I do accept that some men are very skilful at hiding their true selves during "the hunt". As soon as the hunted has been caught in their snare, all the veneer falls away and the truly ugly core is revealed. And "love is blind" is also true, I didn't see that I was marrying a 5-year-old crossdressed up as a 37-year-old! I feel for you, you are facing a very tough personal decision, but I do urge you to think about your potential children. And I agree with juliet that racism and anger and rage are all interlinked, and that is a scary prospect. Don't stay just because you are scared to face the world alone. Only stay if you know that is right for you and that you will have no regrets about that choice. Good luck!
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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 3:23:33 AM   
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You are slavewife to a racist and that is all there is to that. If you won't divorce him your stuck and you may as well get used to the idea that your children will be raised to be racist just like your Master is.

I don't know how long you dated him in real life before you got married but evidentally it was not long enough for you to really get to know him. Racists do not usually hide their feelings and his "german pride" or "watering down his bloodline" sounds like bullshit to me or something that Hitler would spew.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 3:25:08 AM   
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Quick response:
 
           I wuld like to point out that a person having certain thoughts does not ALways translate into actions or, we'd have a lot of bosses, laying dead because they didn't give us a raise, this year or, spouses for packing us the wrong lunch or, our children for waking us up in the middle of the night.
 
           Many of us use expressions and words as nothing more important than having things come out of our mouth. I'm not saying that the apparent attitude of using those words is a good thing. I am saying that use of those words doesn't necessarily mean that some of the actions will be put into play. I remember, a young boy, running around the streets of Brooklyn using racial epithets because that was how he and all his friends communicated and not wanting to have anything to do with "mud people" (any non-white). I also remember that boy, falling very hard for a girl who was half Cuban and half Puerto Rican and, obviously of African decent. I remember them being very happy and starting a family ...
 
            This person claims to be decended from royalty (German royalty, to boot). That can be an issue, too. If this person is one to believe that the blood running through his veins is any better than the blood of us "common folk", his statements could DEFINITELY be seen as "having teeth", later on, down the road.
 
            It's a shame that this person was taught to hate people of other colors. It's a shame any of our children are taught that.
 
 
 
 
 
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P.S.; what would he do if one of his children brought home a partner that was so white they were transparrent but happened to be of the same gender? Just a query

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 3:31:45 AM   
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Love is a wonderful, heady state to be in but when you begin to discover the WHOLE package that you're meant to be *in love* with, you often find little things you're NOT so *in love* with. Having said that, the kind of bigotry you're describing isn't a little thing. It's a major outlook difference.

As much as you're wondering whether YOU can change his views, he may be thinking the same way.

As for the *love, honour and obey, until death etc*.......well, that's all well and good if you fully informed yourself beforehand what you were going to love, honour and obey. You may have to accept that your promise was not given to someone with whom you can actually fulfil it.

I'd echo Satyr's question..........

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P.S.; what would he do if one of his children brought home a partner that was so white they were transparrent but happened to be of the same gender? Just a query


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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 3:38:26 AM   
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Good morning damia,

This goes beyond loving and being married to this man.  Did you both talk about wanting wee ones before getting married? 
Therer are enough people in this world that bring wee ones into it for stupid reasons....don't be another one.  If this is something you can not live with, do not have wee ones with this man.  period. 
Don't make children suffer because of bad decisions and actions.

I highly suggest you sit down and discuss all of this with him.  If he feels this strong about his beliefs, and you feel strongly about yours, then no wee ones should come from this union.   If neither of you can live with that decision, then it's time to talk about different plans of action.

good luck,

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 3:41:25 AM   
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I am proud of My ancestry also. If My Son gets involved with a coloured lass and I have a mixed race grandchild then they will share that ancestry and hopefully be just as proud of it.

Pride isn't a bad thing... this "Watering down' bull does seem to be racism.... maybe if He slowly comes to realise that he will change his stance. Sometimes such things stem from ignorance rather than any real deepseated racist belief.

I was raised to be both a racist and homophobe.... Till I met and spoke with a coloured guy, friend of a friend... got on, found he was 'just like anyone else and the colour of his skin didn't matter... gosh, all the racist crud I'd been raised with just couldn't stand upto scrutiny in the face of that realisation.... and from there that baggage was soundly dumped.

Same when I discovered a friend was actualy gay. Took all of 10 seconds to stop being shocked, hit the realisation "It doesn't change who he is, he is still My friend" and another bit of unwanted baggage hit the gutter.

I wouldn't TRY and "Change him".... but you could try making Him more aware of the issues and just maybe he will change himself. If he doesn't then sorry dear, you are probably living with a racist.


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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 3:52:33 AM   
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People SHOULD be proud of their ancestry. All of our life experiences and the struggles of our ancestors kind of meld into the person we are today.

However, being proud doesn't mean having to be better. I can be proud of my Polish, Serbian, English, Scots, Catholic, PURITAN, Calvinist ancestry without finding the need to be better than someone else of a different ancestry.

My motto in life - and the one I try to get my children to understand is that ALL cultures should be celebrated. They ALL have something important to offer and it's up to us to see what that is. And celebration isn't a reason for denigration. It's that simple.

Celebrate differences!

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 5:11:07 AM   
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I have a very hard time beliving that this isn't something that came up prior to the marriage, as should many of the other "issues" this OP has.  Personally, I think someone is hunting for validation and attention.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 5:15:48 AM   
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greetings

your husband and master is one sick puppy he is not just a racist, he is a nazi in finding. all of the talk of blond hair  and keeeping the childern bbloodline pure is so like a nazi of the 30 and fories they believe that a pure race is he best  . they had a report just other day which they had stolen kids who were jewish vbut they had blond hair and bolue eyes this made this more mportant so they give them to the nazi officer so they had the perfect look.

your husband if you do have childen will deestroy then with talk if being pure blood. there is nothing wrong with being prowd but to call other th n word and calling mexican people wb is so wrong .
will you say with this man. something is wrong . it si self hater of one self so you go to find somseone slef to pick on he is a bully if you have childeern with this nb]]man i will tell you this you kids life will be on hell of a run in school my son w\as in elemarty school he had a wonderful time in and junior high but when he went to high school it was so shocking how the stdudent were so racist an even the teachers. he will brin yo u do with his words and actions think about this

i wish you luck
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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 5:42:42 AM   
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many people change over the time that you know them.  usually in my experience you have the "company manners" that draw you to that person.  after they have you they let that down and start letting their true selves out.  not all changes are for the bad its just a matter of them becoming more relaxed around you. so i can see how she could be with him for that amount of time and not realise it.  chances are he hid that side of himself very well but now they're married,  he doesn't have to hide it any more.


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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 6:59:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra

You are slavewife to a racist and that is all there is to that. If you won't divorce him your stuck and you may as well get used to the idea that your children will be raised to be racist just like your Master is.

~Lashra

Though I agree with the first half of this paragraph, Lashra, I don't with the second half. My father was very racist and it especially showed when I started dating. He went through the roof when I brought home my first piece of "white trash" and equally when I brought home the first "nappy headed ho". I was able to see his racism for what it was and over come it primarily because of my mother. Over time, my father has changed. He loves my two nieces very much and is a proud abuelo regardless of the fact the one is half white and the other is half black.

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