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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/15/2007 6:41:49 PM   
Griswold


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ORIGINAL: damia

i apologize in advance to any who are offended by this post. i am in no way racist, and am appalled by this.

Hi. i am a married slave. i am 22, He is 40. i thought i knew everything about Him...until tonight, talking with Him and a friend about culture and society. He asserted that He is by no means racist, but uses racist slurs for people who are idiots (i.e., the n word for blacks, w.b. for Hispanics...if you don't know the actual slurs, ask me if you need to know, and i'll tell you. i do not like writing them, let alone saying them). To me, this is highly offensive, and i asked Him why He does not just call them all fucking idiots, like they are. He said 'because those terms are there for those races for a reason'. Then, He asserted that His children will not be allowed to date anyone not white, because if they get married and have children, it would 'water down the bloodline.' His bloodline is German, descended from nobility and royalty, and He says He has 'racial pride,' and will not allow his bloodline to be watered down.

When i tried to talk to Him about this, asking Him if He would prefer His children date a) a stupid boy who is rude, ignorant, and an asshole, and happens to be white, or b) a well-educated, polite, and 'nice' boy, who happens to be black...He said "Neither. There are perfectly good white boys out there, that He knows there're out there. A little later, He was yelling at me about racial pride and that i don't understand or respect His ancestry, which isn't the case...i finally got up, and went to do something else, because i couldn't sit there and listen to His racist ideals. We don't have children now, and now i am very unsure if i -ever- want kids with Him, because i'm afraid He will teach them to be racist, too.

Part of me wants to run for the hills and never look back...i hate racist people, and i have lost a lot of respect for Him because He is racist, and there is a part of me that hates Him very much for His ignorant racism. But the rest of me says 'No, you love this man; He is your Master and your husband, and whether you agree with Him or not, you belong to Him and should tolerate it.'  But the hatred of people just because of the colour of their skin or because of their genes...that is not something i tolerate, nor is it something i ever learned was to be tolerated.

What should i do? i feel like i've failed, because i have this hatred of this part of Him, when i should love all of Him, and because i can no longer respect Him fully...advice, please??



I read your entire post and I have to say, I don't hate people because they're a different color (or because they hate people of a different color), I don't hate people because they're a different religion, or because they drive a better (or lesser) car, live in a better (or lesser) home, eat differently, wear funny clothes....

I've actually learned some valuable lessons as I've gotten older.

Hating people for these types of reasons is ridiculous, fallacious...and truly a waste of time.

I learned a long time ago to hate other people simply because they're breathing.

Now, before you ridicule me for this concept...consider this:  At 48 (and losing my memory), unlike you, I no longer (thanks to my unique hate mechanisms) have to remember why I hate someone, what they last said to piss me off, why I should shun them (because they pissed me off)...or any of that bullshit.

I can (by virtue of my well thought out process) hate everyone for absolutely no apparent or valid reason....and I never have to remember why!!!!!

(By the way....fuck you, and the horse you rode in on).

I feel better now :)

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/15/2007 7:09:23 PM   
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What's the "W.B. word for Hispanics?"


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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/16/2007 8:10:51 AM   
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i haven't gone through the posts completely yet, but i tend to agree with the others who are stating that changing him will not happen.  He's 40......trust me, he's set in his ways in every aspect in his life.  He was raised in a racist environment, and there is nothing you are going to do about it.  It's time for you to make the decision if he's the one you want raising your kids.  I do find it a little bit hard to believe that you hadn't seen any indication of his attitudes in the time you've known him, unless you didn't want to see it.  Did you not meet any of his family?  Racism tends to run in the family...it's handed down thru the ranks.

I don't envy you the decisions you may have to be making in the future.  It's going to be tough, but you need to stop and think about what your future with him will be.  Are you prepared to listen to him on the subject everytime he wants to expound upon it?  Do you WANT your kids raised by someone like him?  This is probably one of the few times that you need to put your needs ahead of his....i had to go thru the same thought process when i decided to leave my husband after 6 years and one child.  It took about 2 months of soul searching, but it finally boiled down to "do you want to speand the rest of your life living like this?  Taking care of TWO kids?  (I divorced one!)  I couldn't see myself being happy in the relationship in the direction it was going, so I bit the bullet and left.  It was the right thing for me to do, I have no regrets about the decision I made.

Good luck.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/16/2007 8:50:42 AM   
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I would run for the hills.  I have no tolerance.  This person is racist, even though he proclaims he isn't. 

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/16/2007 8:59:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: switchguy4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

What's the "W.B. word for Hispanics?"


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Actually it's "Worker Bee", but the drones seem to keep forgetting that.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/21/2007 4:16:13 PM   
switchguy4u


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For your entertainment, here's a racial D/s-ish PSP ad

http://www.citycynic.com/im/00272playstation.jpg

For those that doubt it's real, just google "PSP White Is Coming"

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/21/2007 6:03:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: damia

i apologize in advance to any who are offended by this post. i am in no way racist, and am appalled by this.

Hi. i am a married slave. i am 22, He is 40. i thought i knew everything about Him...until tonight, talking with Him and a friend about culture and society. He asserted that He is by no means racist, but uses racist slurs for people who are idiots (i.e., the n word for blacks, w.b. for Hispanics...if you don't know the actual slurs, ask me if you need to know, and i'll tell you. i do not like writing them, let alone saying them). To me, this is highly offensive, and i asked Him why He does not just call them all fucking idiots, like they are. He said 'because those terms are there for those races for a reason'. Then, He asserted that His children will not be allowed to date anyone not white, because if they get married and have children, it would 'water down the bloodline.' His bloodline is German, descended from nobility and royalty, and He says He has 'racial pride,' and will not allow his bloodline to be watered down.

When i tried to talk to Him about this, asking Him if He would prefer His children date a) a stupid boy who is rude, ignorant, and an asshole, and happens to be white, or b) a well-educated, polite, and 'nice' boy, who happens to be black...He said "Neither. There are perfectly good white boys out there, that He knows there're out there. A little later, He was yelling at me about racial pride and that i don't understand or respect His ancestry, which isn't the case...i finally got up, and went to do something else, because i couldn't sit there and listen to His racist ideals. We don't have children now, and now i am very unsure if i -ever- want kids with Him, because i'm afraid He will teach them to be racist, too.

Part of me wants to run for the hills and never look back...i hate racist people, and i have lost a lot of respect for Him because He is racist, and there is a part of me that hates Him very much for His ignorant racism. But the rest of me says 'No, you love this man; He is your Master and your husband, and whether you agree with Him or not, you belong to Him and should tolerate it.'  But the hatred of people just because of the colour of their skin or because of their genes...that is not something i tolerate, nor is it something i ever learned was to be tolerated.

What should i do? i feel like i've failed, because i have this hatred of this part of Him, when i should love all of Him, and because i can no longer respect Him fully...advice, please??



damia, i am very sorry this has happened to you.  There seems to be an element of deceit in yr husband's conduct, concealing his bigotry until after you were collared and married..  Doubtless he did it because he knew his views would cause you to reject him.
 
i had a highly racist husband for a number of years.  i also had an unmentionable with him.  The only time i really stood up to him was on hate speech; he was not allowed to use it in front of me or the unmentionable.
 
Fast forward 22 years, and the unmentionable graduates college and decides to go live with her dad to get to know him better, since we had been divorced since she was little.  Three weeks later i get a hysterical phone call; apparently the stupid man let fly with some racist remarks in front of her.  She was appalled; she never suspected that her own dad was a bigot.  She'd been raised to believe a bigot was about as low as a person could go.
 
i have no words of wisdom for you.  All i can tell you is had we not had "dentente" at my house, i'd have left him.  i put up with all stripes of crap from this man but i would not have allowed my unmentionable to hear such things.
 
i wish you peace of mind, whatever you decide to do.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/21/2007 6:40:45 PM   
sweetnurseBBW


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quote:

ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: damia

i apologize in advance to any who are offended by this post. i am in no way racist, and am appalled by this.

Hi. i am a married slave. i am 22, He is 40. i thought i knew everything about Him...until tonight, talking with Him and a friend about culture and society. He asserted that He is by no means racist, but uses racist slurs for people who are idiots (i.e., the n word for blacks, w.b. for Hispanics...if you don't know the actual slurs, ask me if you need to know, and i'll tell you. i do not like writing them, let alone saying them). To me, this is highly offensive, and i asked Him why He does not just call them all fucking idiots, like they are. He said 'because those terms are there for those races for a reason'. Then, He asserted that His children will not be allowed to date anyone not white, because if they get married and have children, it would 'water down the bloodline.' His bloodline is German, descended from nobility and royalty, and He says He has 'racial pride,' and will not allow his bloodline to be watered down.

When i tried to talk to Him about this, asking Him if He would prefer His children date a) a stupid boy who is rude, ignorant, and an asshole, and happens to be white, or b) a well-educated, polite, and 'nice' boy, who happens to be black...He said "Neither. There are perfectly good white boys out there, that He knows there're out there. A little later, He was yelling at me about racial pride and that i don't understand or respect His ancestry, which isn't the case...i finally got up, and went to do something else, because i couldn't sit there and listen to His racist ideals. We don't have children now, and now i am very unsure if i -ever- want kids with Him, because i'm afraid He will teach them to be racist, too.

Part of me wants to run for the hills and never look back...i hate racist people, and i have lost a lot of respect for Him because He is racist, and there is a part of me that hates Him very much for His ignorant racism. But the rest of me says 'No, you love this man; He is your Master and your husband, and whether you agree with Him or not, you belong to Him and should tolerate it.'  But the hatred of people just because of the colour of their skin or because of their genes...that is not something i tolerate, nor is it something i ever learned was to be tolerated.

What should i do? i feel like i've failed, because i have this hatred of this part of Him, when i should love all of Him, and because i can no longer respect Him fully...advice, please??



damia, i am very sorry this has happened to you.  There seems to be an element of deceit in yr husband's conduct, concealing his bigotry until after you were collared and married..  Doubtless he did it because he knew his views would cause you to reject him.
 
i had a highly racist husband for a number of years.  i also had an unmentionable with him.  The only time i really stood up to him was on hate speech; he was not allowed to use it in front of me or the unmentionable.
 
Fast forward 22 years, and the unmentionable graduates college and decides to go live with her dad to get to know him better, since we had been divorced since she was little.  Three weeks later i get a hysterical phone call; apparently the stupid man let fly with some racist remarks in front of her.  She was appalled; she never suspected that her own dad was a bigot.  She'd been raised to believe a bigot was about as low as a person could go.
 
i have no words of wisdom for you.  All i can tell you is had we not had "dentente" at my house, i'd have left him.  i put up with all stripes of crap from this man but i would not have allowed my unmentionable to hear such things.
 
i wish you peace of mind, whatever you decide to do.


Go back and read her other posts. There was a different drama every week. This was just another installment in  soap opera. Seems no one took the time to learn each other and just jumped into a marriage. Yes it is sad but this is another chapter in the drama. Some people live crisis to crisis.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/21/2007 8:40:22 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

quote:

ORIGINAL: switchguy4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

What's the "W.B. word for Hispanics?"


wet backs


Actually it's "Worker Bee", but the drones seem to keep forgetting that.

With Love and Respect, chia* (the pet) 


I thought it was Wears Brut.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/21/2007 8:44:58 PM   
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Your post underscores the importance of people discussing their attitudes about race, religion and prejudices in general.  A long time ago, an African American man taught me that one prejudice is all prejudice; that no racial slurs are acceptable even if we are not part of race or religion, we are all part of the human race.  I very much agree with what others have said.  Once you lose respect in a relationship for your partner, you can hang it up.  Respect is everything.  Without it, you have nothing.  I  am sorry for your dilemma.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/21/2007 11:57:24 PM   
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I feel your pain I was married before.. It was an interacial marriage.. and my ex-blindsided me with a few racist/homophobic things that encouraged me to start packing for my own trip to the hills years after we met/married.  In the end the choice is yours but remember.. He hid this side of his nature from you before and can do it again if pushed.  Just because he isn't displaying that side around you doesn't mean he won't be airing out his opinions in front of your children or lord knows who else when your not looking. If this bothers you now it isn't going to stop bothering you tomorrow.  Trust me.  It isn't fun living each day dreading each word that comes out of your spouses mouth.




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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/22/2007 3:05:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

Your post underscores the importance of people discussing their attitudes about race, religion and prejudices in general.  A long time ago, an African American man taught me that one prejudice is all prejudice; that no racial slurs are acceptable even if we are not part of race or religion, we are all part of the human race.  I very much agree with what others have said.  Once you lose respect in a relationship for your partner, you can hang it up.  Respect is everything.  Without it, you have nothing.  I  am sorry for your dilemma.


Humans aren't a "race" they're a species.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/22/2007 3:17:59 PM   
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Humans aren't a "race" they're a species.


I'm so mixed up, I don't even know what race, species, phylum, order or kingdom I'm in. Don't even get me started on what religion I'm supposed to be.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/22/2007 3:38:27 PM   
SirKitty


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Interesting posts.

I wonder why all the outspoken non-racists don't purchase or rent homes in the ghettos and barrios of America.

In that way those who are concerned/obsessed about racial survival can seek safer areas for raising their young, and those who are not racist can give physical proof to the courage of their verbal convictions while being a positive model for those who currently populate the ghettos and barrios of America.

Or is it all just words without action, akin to giving the homeless person on the corner a buck to assuage that guilty conscience?

"In a closed system, for every super-optimized node there are a proportionate amount of sub-optimized nodes." -General Systems Theory

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/22/2007 3:40:54 PM   
salilus


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Don't be afraid that he will raise them racist. Know that he will, at least try, to raise them racist.


I have to respectfully disagree. My parents are both racist out of fear. I did not know that until I was grown and out of their home. And I am, and was raised to be, accepting of everyone.


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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/22/2007 3:54:19 PM   
SirKitty


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ORIGINAL: damia

...He asserted that His children will not be allowed to date anyone not white, because if they get married and have children, it would 'water down the bloodline.' His bloodline is German, descended from nobility and royalty, and He says He has 'racial pride,' and will not allow his bloodline to be watered down....



If it's any help, those of slavic descent use the term "squarehead" to refer to those of germanic descent. And well the Prussian nobility descended from the Knights Templar's who committed genocide on the original prussian tribe and aren't actually of germanic stock anyway.



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