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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 5:22:47 PM

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As far as I'm concerned, sever.
Then again, I'm a filthy biracial. *shrugs*

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 6:39:20 PM

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Every week it is a a different crisis for you two. We only know what you post on here. There seems to be alot of issues that should have been seen way before a marriage took place. You obviously didnt get to know him well or didn't want to before marriage. You are going to have to decide what you can live with and make a decision to do what is right for you.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 6:47:41 PM

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i do not believe in divorce except under extreme circumstances.

Some people would consider marriage to a racist as being extreme.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 8:28:32 PM

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It's his choice who he lets his kids marry or breed with, no?

It's called freedom of opinion.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 9:00:17 PM

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In the end, you have to decide what is right for you. If racism bothers you as much as it sounds like, how are you going to like him teaching your children those words? How will you feel when your young one starts making references to people at school by their race?

If that idea is something you can't stand, then I think you need to get out of the relationship. I could never be with someone who had that kind of an anger issue

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 9:28:42 PM

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It's his choice who he lets his kids marry or breed with, no?

It's called freedom of opinion.

No, it would be THEIR choice whom they wish to marry and
create children with. Opinion and allowance are worlds apart.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 9:33:22 PM

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Spanklette,

I have noticed your posts here on the message board and must say you offer sound advice and clear thought. As for Damia, it does seem odd that prior to marriage this issue never came up.

Damia has indicated her Master is German-- I believe Jimmy Carter back in the 70's made a statement about 'ethnic purity' (he was referencing eastern European nations, and how there isn't enough of ethnic purity in the US) that got him in a lot of trouble. I don't believe the statement was meant to be racist, as much as it was an observation. Having a science background and of course bearing in mind that many folks in other countries wouldn't consider marrying outside of their religion (never mind their race) I was not offended. In so much as in America we are all migrants/foreigners, we have come to embrace diversity; but that doesn't mean the rest of the world may accept this view. This is a personal preference/issue, much like religious tolerance- which needless to say is not shared globally in many regions of the world. Labelling people as 'bigots' or 'insurgents' (as is the case of religious zealots) because of their beliefs does nothing to understand the problem. For many it is simply a sacred issue; one that has not been a culturally accepted practice. For too long America has felt the need to impose their views on others-- sometimes (as in our military misadventures) by force.

You have every right to express your thoughts and disdain for this type of reaction, but you may also want to consider he too is a product of his environment. Whether we view that as shallow or not, depends entirely upon your heritage and your cultural / social upbringing. Nobody deserves to be treated differently because of their skin color, religion, sexual orientation, etc., but just because I accept that Jehovah's witness may come to my door and attempt to recruit me, I also have every right to refuse.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/10/2007 9:51:54 PM

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marieToo wrote:

My particular idea of what defines 'racist' is actually quite obvious simply from the way my post was written. However, my opinion is irrelevant. I offered the OP some calm and reasonable food for thought before jumping to conclusions, over-reacting, or ending her marriage without first communicating with him further and examining different points of view. I take no position on whether or not this man is a racist; I do not know him or know enough to make that assesment.

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Bravo... your post was well thought out and non-judgmental.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 1:21:42 AM

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Maybe its just Me...but in My opinion he is indeed a racist...if he wasnt he would use correct terminology and not be so dang worried about watering down the bloodline.Does his children have to marry only those of German decent?
All I can think is Hitler.

Now I have no problem with following a bloodline...but being in Love comes before anything else including a Bloodline.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 2:01:54 AM

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damia,
How can he be your master if you don't respect him? How can he be the master of anything when he can't master his own ignorance and fear? Respect is earnt through respectable behaviour. As for his ancestary, ultimately a man stands alone. It is his actions, not his bloodline that makes him what he is.

And sorry to all the level headed German people out there, but what a surprise his bloodline is German. Where did these kinds of Germans get their delusions of grandeur? Greek, Egyptian, Chinese, Japanese, Mayan, I could understand some kind of pride in the achievments of their ancestors, but even then it means nothing in terms of those alive today. And in recent history the Germans got their arses kicked....twice. I don't see any kind of genetic superiority from those pure German bloodlines, just another culture of plain ordinary run of the mill people, just like all other humans. Your scared little man's ancestory is no different or more impressive than any other persons.
And lets not forget the massive inbreeding amongst the European nobles. Pure noble blood doesn't carry the same values as it did in the DARK ages.

"It's his choice who he lets his kids marry or breed with, no?
It's called freedom of opinion. "

No, it's not his choice at all. It is his kid's choice when they are old enough.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 2:17:32 AM

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MissBabydoll, quite a few posts back, hit the scientific mark by pointing out that scientists today, through the work that has been done on the human genome and genetics, are adamant that races do not exist, there is no scientific justification for them. However, this is relatively recent, when I began teaching Human Biology in 1976, we were teaching "9 geographical races". About 10 years ago I campaigned vigorously for this to be dropped from the educational curricula in my home state, and was able to provide sufficient justification for that to occur. One small win!

It is appropriate to speak of differing ethnicities however (of which there are LOTS!), and to describe physical characteristics (and patterns of traits) that cluster within certain ethnic groups. For example, many groups of Asian ethnic origin (and this includes many Amerindians) tend to have shovel-shaped incisors, and this is a feature which may help identify someone as possibly being of that origin. Why is this important? Not because it makes them inferior or superior. But it may be important to a forensic pathologist who is trying to identify a skeleton, just as it is still useful to the police to describe someone with reference to traits typical of certain ethnic groups so people know who to look out for! It would be very difficult to eradicate this type of usage completely, but it should be seen for what it is, a convenience rather than a belief system.

To MissBabydoll's list of examples of racist ideology, I would add the appalling treatment of indigenous Australians who weren't even acknowledged as existing - Australia was declared "terra nullius" ie uninhabited! It wasn't repealed until 1992, in a landmark case known as Mabo, after Eddie Mabo, a Torres Strait Islander who campaigned for indigenous land rights. Even now, the implications of that case and further ones, are still being played out. And Aboriginal children, especially those of mixed parentage, were still being taken away from their mothers to be brought up in "white" missions and orphanages well into the 1960s and even the early 70s. So we should not be surprised that racism is still alive and well in some people's thoughts ... what we do about it is what matters. As others have posted, to tolerate it is to tacitly agree, and while I am "English" by birth (therefore one of the white conquerors!) I have no truck with racism and am deeply sorry for acts people of my ethnicity before me committed, even though some at least, thought they were doing the right thing.

I read that the OP intends to discuss this further with her Master and I really do wish her luck.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 3:57:01 AM

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Im afraid i must dissagree.
My father is unsure that afro carribean people are humans. It is his belief system. A delusion. He is racist to the zenophobic extreme.
yet of 4 children, only one of us took on his values.
Racism does not have to be hereditary.

With regard to can you overcome what you have discovered? Only you know the answer to if you can truly respect someone with those beliefs. Im not sure i could.
But im not you. I guess it comes down to how distant those views are to your own held beliefs.
Or do you think you can 'change him'. Or his views. Coz dominants can be rather stubborn ive heard.
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Don't be afraid that he will raise them racist. Know that he will, at least try, to raise them racist. Know that chances are they will have friends who aren't white and know there is a decent chance of them being romantically interested in someone who isn't white. Now ask yourself you want to have an UM in that situation and if you can happy not having UMs.

As for the other questions: I suspect we all have things that we don't like about our doms/masters/owners. Some have bigger faults then others. It's all a matter of if you can live with it. Now, I can't tell you if you should leave or not, but I can tell you what I would do. I would tell him that this is a hard limit for me and that if he wants to keep me, he needs to work on his racism. If he wouldn't, I would leave my collar and a note explaining that I won't live around such hatred nor will I risk bringing UMs into the world to be raised around it.

By the way, I don't why you think you've failed unless it's simply that you didn't notice this until now.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 4:14:21 AM

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Sirandlittle1,
Good on you for not being caught in a cycle, but don't let your life serve as your view of all humanity. Parents passing on their prejudices, preferences and habits is a very real, documented and common thing.

"Coz dominants can be rather stubborn ive heard"

And they've got nothing on racists. A skeleton in the family closet is probably the only thing that would change him. Now that would be funny.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 4:26:15 AM

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Maybe he should just go live in germany then, because this is the great melting pot and he'll have to live with that. Next thing he'll be telling you it's ok to be a wife-beater.... and let's hope he doesn't believe in Jesus either, because jesus wasn't white lol, that might cause a complex

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 5:38:12 AM

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I agree wholeheartedly HM.

Yes, humanity is a rich colourful canvas and the concept of 'racial purity' is a backwards XIXth Century idea: there is no such thing as a pure bloodline (my DNA could have more in common with a Tutsi from Rwanda than with my own cousin).

Secondly, yes, Yes, YES! Be careful who you procreate with. Don't have babies with ignorant cretins and racist imbeciles: there is a multitude of ways we can avoid getting up the duff, let's make the most of it.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 5:52:22 AM

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Im afraid i must dissagree.
My father is unsure that afro carribean people are humans. It is his belief system. A delusion. He is racist to the zenophobic extreme.
yet of 4 children, only one of us took on his values.
Racism does not have to be hereditary.

With regard to can you overcome what you have discovered? Only you know the answer to if you can truly respect someone with those beliefs. Im not sure i could.
But im not you. I guess it comes down to how distant those views are to your own held beliefs.
Or do you think you can 'change him'. Or his views. Coz dominants can be rather stubborn ive heard.
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Don't be afraid that he will raise them racist. Know that he will, at least try, to raise them racist. Know that chances are they will have friends who aren't white and know there is a decent chance of them being romantically interested in someone who isn't white. Now ask yourself you want to have an UM in that situation and if you can happy not having UMs.

As for the other questions: I suspect we all have things that we don't like about our doms/masters/owners. Some have bigger faults then others. It's all a matter of if you can live with it. Now, I can't tell you if you should leave or not, but I can tell you what I would do. I would tell him that this is a hard limit for me and that if he wants to keep me, he needs to work on his racism. If he wouldn't, I would leave my collar and a note explaining that I won't live around such hatred nor will I risk bringing UMs into the world to be raised around it.

By the way, I don't why you think you've failed unless it's simply that you didn't notice this until now.

I said "Know that he will, at least try, to raise them racist". I did not say the children will be racist as I am fully aware that some people manage to avoid it. However, there are also the white superemist kids who hacked DOOM so that you only kill black folks. I hear it's more popular then I'd like to think about.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 6:59:55 AM

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Sirandlittle1,
Good on you for not being caught in a cycle, but don't let your life serve as your view of all humanity. Parents passing on their prejudices, preferences and habits is a very real, documented and common thing.

"Coz dominants can be rather stubborn ive heard"

And they've got nothing on racists. A skeleton in the family closet is probably the only thing that would change him. Now that would be funny.

Stubborn dominants????? Where?????????????

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 2:40:43 PM

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No, it would be THEIR choice whom they wish to marry and
create children with. Opinion and allowance are worlds apart.

With Love and Respect, chia* (the pet)

I said it'd be his choice who he would let his kids marry. Whether or not his kids listen is another matter.

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Maybe its just Me...but in My opinion he is indeed a racist...if he wasnt he would use correct terminology and not be so dang worried about watering down the bloodline.Does his children have to marry only those of German decent?
All I can think is Hitler.

Now I have no problem with following a bloodline...but being in Love comes before anything else including a Bloodline.

Hitler wasn't German.

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However, there are also the white superemist kids who hacked DOOM so that you only kill black folks. I hear it's more popular then I'd like to think about.

No one "hacked" Doom for that. Games like Doom, Quake, Unreal, among others are now open source. And people modified them in all sorts of ways. Including but not limited to something of that nature.

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 4:19:05 PM

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No, this is what you said,

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It's his choice who he lets his kids marry or breed with, no?

It's called freedom of opinion. ]

Don't see anything about them listening or not.

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not watching where you're going)

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RE: Racist...warning, this may be highly offensive to s... - 5/11/2007 4:46:20 PM

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"I said it'd be his choice who he would let his kids marry. Whether or not his kids listen is another matter. "

It's still not his choice what his kids do once they are adults. He can't "let" them marry anyone, he has no say. His only influence comes from their early years if he can successfully indoctrinate them. When they choose to marry he can either accept it or not, there is no letting. He has no permission to give, the only thing he has to give is acceptance or rejection.

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