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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 9:36:02 AM

AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: shyinini

I agree with Mellow and luci.....

But ya know....
we all think our thoughts are better than anyones
we all tend to be bitchy, sarcastic, costic and so calloused to others so many times...
just look at the responses here !
we all make generalizations, judge and blah blah blah blah blah blah........

Look at the thread ! Look at the responses !!

EVERY frikkin one of us is described by the OP !!

I dare you to introspect and agree with me.

How are we being bitchy? Since when is simply disagreeing with someone bitchy? Since when is saying "What right do you have to hold subs/slaves you do not own to any particular standard" bitchy?

We've disagreed with him. Strongly. That does not a bitchy response make.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 9:55:45 AM

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I think it's silly to argue about who is "bitchy" because one person's "bitchy" is fine to another person. It's all in one's perspective. For example, I think anyone who demands that a sub be physicially beautiful is kind of bitchy because I think it's inner beauty that really counts. The person who is doing the demanding, on the other hand, obviously thinks it's fine to make such a demand.

Pretty much, I think that if you're not "bitchy" people generally won't be "bitchy" to you.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 10:02:35 AM

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I have to say that what you consider bitchy by your standards may not be bitchy by someone else's standards.. you have to realize that like the others have said .. unless you OWN the girl.. you don't have right to gripe about her language or attitude..

I think you should really reexamine your standards and learn and understand everyone here...

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 1:12:09 PM

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Am not sure what you are talking about.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 1:58:35 PM

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I go by my Master's standards.

Not much else to say about that.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 2:05:27 PM

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We're talking about the response the OP got in this thread.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_996742/tm.htm

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 2:36:24 PM

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I have noted you did not address the "bitchy sub/slaves" with your greetings.I also will give you the benefit of the doubt that you knew when you posted this dreck ,that you would be opening up a large can of worms (benefit of the doubt ..meaning intelligience)..oops there I go being bitchy!..But maybe try to wrap you mind about this concept..sub/.slaves self identify as do Masters/Dominants..we are all adults..we are all human..we sub/slaves are NOT um's who ,some feel ,should be seen and not heard.Many Dominants listen, respect and utilize our thoughts, feelings,knowledge for their benefit..These Dominants do not feel threatened by what sub/slaves bring to the table. If a sub/slaves opinion you feel is couched in what YOU consider "bitchiness" or possibly a less than deferential manner, then possibly you may need to ask yourself WHY?..Could it be they sense your lack of confidence?..Could it be they sense your misogynistic (sp) attitude? Could it be their reality is not yours?.Could it be they are not yours?.Could it be that you do not inspire or engender respect, but rather a"bitchy" attitude?..Look to yourself before you look to others to explain this particular phenomenon..Tempting

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 6:31:51 PM

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My thanks to all who took the time to respond to this poorly worded post. Yes in rereading it when I was more awake I agree that I could and probably should have phrased this differently. To those of you who thought I was talking about responses to me, I was not. I was in fact talking about responses to other posters . Over the past year or so I've noticed that responses to OP's were becoming more caustic with many put downs and rude remarks. If this were myspace or you tube or some other general public boards all of what has been said in disagreement would be correct. And maybe my expectations are to high. But this a BDSM site with slaves and submissive interacting with Dominants and Masters where I would expect a certain amount of decorum and defrence. Plz don't use the sub/slave line well they're not my Dom. I addressed this to all the Tops, Owners, Dominants and Dommes on the ask a Master board to see if they are pleased with the direction "the conversations" are taking on their board.
To those few who understood what my intent was, thank you for your time, your words and your observations.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 6:44:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: Totalmaster4you
But this a BDSM site with slaves and submissive interacting with Dominants and Masters where I would expect a certain amount of decorum and defrence. Plz don't use the sub/slave line well they're not my Dom.
To me, it's not a sub/slave "line," it's a fact. No one here is my dominant. My Master doesn't expect or desire that i submit or "defer" to anyone simply because they say they are a dom/master. As i stated before, there are areas where every sub/slave is expected to defer but the general boards is not one of them. i exhibit decorum but i don't defer to someone simply because they identify as dominant.......slave luci

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 7:08:25 PM

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Wow, now we are expected to defer to strangers because they self-label as dom or master? Some girls may do this, but not all will. I don't do an automatic knee bend to strangers on the internet. And I don't understand why others do, unless they come from chatroom environments.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 7:14:40 PM

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But this a BDSM site with slaves and submissive interacting with Dominants and Masters where I would expect a certain amount of decorum and defrence. Plz don't use the sub/slave line well they're not my Dom. I addressed this to all the Tops, Owners, Dominants and Dommes on the ask a Master board to see if they are pleased with the direction "the conversations" are taking on their board.

Well, I am usually pleased with the direction the conversations have on this board, except when a dominant starts acting like a fool by spouting off about how he expects decorum and deference from the submissives and also acting all territorial about "our" board as if the opinions of submissives aren't welcomed. Such stuff might play well in the gorean forum, but it's just gonna get you mocked over here, so you have the choice of either getting a clue or encountering more bitchiness whenever you run your mouth like that.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 8:27:00 PM

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Hello

Let us indulge in reality for a moment here. There is no requirment for deference or increased decorum from subs/slaves here because, save for the Gorean forums, most of the subs/slaves here consider themselves to be social peers with the dominants and do not feel there is any requiement for them to defer or be subservient to people they do not know based solely on that other person's self identification. Your self identification as a dominant does not give you automatic respect from the rest of us.

Here's the truth - you're a dominant if you say you are. You're a functional dominant if you manage to get at least one other person to agree. However, your decision thtt you are a domiant creates absolutely no responsibility on my part to treat you any differently than I would any other human being. That seems to be where your misunderstsanding and frustration stems from. You want yourself and other dominants to be conferred an automatic superior social status. That just isn't going to happen. You will be much calmer and happier once you understand that and drop the expectation. It's misplaced and has no basis in reality. Just look at these forums as a bunch of people chatting - not as different social castes interacting.

Be well,

Peggy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Totalmaster4you

My thanks to all who took the time to respond to this poorly worded post. Yes in rereading it when I was more awake I agree that I could and probably should have phrased this differently. To those of you who thought I was talking about responses to me, I was not. I was in fact talking about responses to other posters . Over the past year or so I've noticed that responses to OP's were becoming more caustic with many put downs and rude remarks. If this were myspace or you tube or some other general public boards all of what has been said in disagreement would be correct. And maybe my expectations are to high. But this a BDSM site with slaves and submissive interacting with Dominants and Masters where I would expect a certain amount of decorum and defrence. Plz don't use the sub/slave line well they're not my Dom. I addressed this to all the Tops, Owners, Dominants and Dommes on the ask a Master board to see if they are pleased with the direction "the conversations" are taking on their board.
To those few who understood what my intent was, thank you for your time, your words and your observations.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 9:05:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Totalmaster4you
If this were myspace or you tube or some other general public boards all of what has been said in disagreement would be correct. And maybe my expectations are to high. But this a BDSM site with slaves and submissive interacting with Dominants and Masters where I would expect a certain amount of decorum and defrence.

You are fucking crazy dude. This is an internet forum, mostly comprised of people who's dicks/pussies get engorged over beatings/bossings. That's it.

Not a conclave of Philosopher Kings, no peers of Charlemagne--Qui Chang Kane isn't here to "speak...haltingly. Dispensing tidbits...of wisdom."

"Being able to use the interweb" isn't a very high bar for entry there, TOTALMASTER4YOU!! Any douchebag who wants to proclaim themself MASTERFUCKINGSO&SO can post here. I mean comon, people here range from a couple of maybe smarts to like oodles of dopes. Do you understand you, persoanlly, write at a Flesch-Kincaid reading level of 8th grade? Did you think having your dick get hard when your sweetie lets you hold the flogger made you wiser, more ethical, imbued with the Three Jewels of Taosim???

Comon dude.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 9:08:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: Totalmaster4you
Plz don't use the sub/slave line well they're not my Dom.

Since this is precisely the teachings my Master insists I follow, you are basically requesting I disobey him to suit you. Some submissives and slaves are trained to be submissive to all dominats. Some, like me, are trained to live as an equal human being amongst our fellow human beings, while submitting completely and totally to our Masters.

To help give you perspective, I have been given this rule for two reasons:

1) He enjoys knowing I can and will hold my own in the world, be it at work, socially, with family & friends, in various communities, wherever. He holds a higher value to that which is reserved and pure, only for him. It gives him great pride to see me behave confident and strong, intolerant of anyone crossing any of the boundaries set out for me, yet to splay myself open to him for the taking, be it physically, mentally, emotionally or spiritually.

2) When he found me I was damaged and confused, in large part because I tried to appeal to everyone, deferring to any man who called himself a dominant. What this got me were a bunch of mixed messages and conflicting advice and instructions. Speak this way, no speak that way, well you really should be speaking that other way. Hold yourself according to my rules, no wait, according to his rules, oh god, now what? Dress a certain way because Mr. XYZ likes it...oh but wait, Mr. ABC hates that color, but oh damn, Mr. LMNOP only likes that color...Don't speak unless spoken to, but why aren't I speaking up since Dom X wants me to speak first? Refer to myself in lower case, oh shoot but not when Dom Q is online because he insists I type in proper English but Dom W won't address me unless my "I" is typed as an "i" so what to do?

And so I ask, deference? Deference to whom? To what? When? How? No my dear, I think I shall continue to follow orders as laid out by he who owns me. My conduct with others doesn't seem to be a problem to him, and if it ever is, that is when it will change.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 9:23:51 PM

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PeggyO,
Well said. My reason for writing was how do we address a vague word such as standard. My thought was if the group was tired of the caustic comments this would provide an opportunity to say so.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/12/2007 11:05:16 PM

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Hello Totalmaster4you.....

What?...bitching?...here?...nawwwwwww. Them gals here are a bunch of pussies when it comes to bitching.

Really man, you a masochist or something? RL.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/13/2007 12:29:04 AM

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Hi RL
No I'm not a masochist.Sometimes I'll write just to watch the response but this one I wanted to see how many other were tired of the sarcasm and caustic postings from supposed slaves and subs. Unfortunately not enough seem to care so it will go on and get worse until we do care.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/13/2007 12:41:42 AM

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Beat them, flog 'em, skull hump their empty heads, but always remember that there's a positive way to make changes in that whick you read and causes you angst. BLOCK 'em and feed 'em fishhead soup.
I know that, I received notes and comments from males-female-others and those that aren't standarized and in a newly named category at least thrice weekly, but, I don't find Myself moved to wage any crusade against them, I advise them that, I'll be ignoring their pathetic attempts to rile Me and then BLOCK 'em into Oblivions Realm with extreme prejudice expressed in some salient cussin'. weg
Not to worry. Don't get excited. Wash your McNasty, keep it clean for those possible encounters that you might luck up on. lol
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ORIGINAL: Totalmaster4you

Hi RL
No I'm not a masochist.Sometimes I'll write just to watch the response but this one I wanted to see how many other were tired of the sarcasm and caustic postings from supposed slaves and subs. Unfortunately not enough seem to care so it will go on and get worse until we do care.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/13/2007 2:27:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: Totalmaster4you
But this a BDSM site with slaves and submissive interacting with Dominants and Masters where I would expect a certain amount of decorum and defrence. Plz don't use the sub/slave line well they're not my Dom. I addressed this to all the Tops, Owners, Dominants and Dommes on the ask a Master board to see if they are pleased with the direction "the conversations" are taking on their board.

You still don't GET IT... Wether it is one dim, with 'expectations' about a girl who isn't his or a bunch of dims that have those 'expectations', they don't mean squat unless you own the girl. The only expectations she need take notice of are those of her own Master.

My girl when she interacts in various places, is generaly polite, both by nature and by MY expectations. However if someone is impolite or abrasive to her she is quite free to, if needed, put them in their place.

you seem to make assumptions that you can in some way set out how others, others that you don't own, behave.... An attitude I (And no doubt others) find rather impolite.

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RE: What standards do we want or is it no standards at ... - 5/13/2007 3:01:01 AM

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It appears, from the wording of your post, that you don't mind the "growing level of bitchiness" from dominants, only from "those that self identify as slaves and submissives." This dominant doesn't differentiate between a person's self identified title when reading posts. I consider everyone an equal whose opinion is worth reading, until such time as I find no respect or consideration of other's thoughts and feelings to be evident in their posts/responses. Keep in mind that everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether you agree or not, and perhaps you will encounter less frustration while participating in these forums.

Ms Lady Sue

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