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KatyLied -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 9:52:11 AM)

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One would think you were looking for attention the way you continually brag about that nfl thread. I think you should get a life already.


Come to my thread...you know you want to.
It drives Level nuts when we talk about the cute players.
Join the nfl fan clique.



velvetears -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 9:53:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

Why do people insist on saying one thing - then contradicting it in another breath?
 
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 It's good to know there are posters out there like yourself who think before they post and take responsibility for it.


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My statement is simply my opinion, if you read into it more, that is your perogative.

 
Contradictions are rife in all people.  People are a mass of contradictions[;)]  That is what makes us all so very interesting.

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You can ignore somethings only so long till you feel something should be said - if only to make others aware. 

These threads come up all the time - it really isnt a new concept.
 
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how you see it is up to you. 

Indeed - thank you for repeating and upholding what I already stated.  It's good to know some people are on the same wavelength occasionally...
 
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 i have had many emails about this thread thanking me and telling me it's about time someone spoke up about it. 

Fantastic - another clique of like minded individuals forming  - just what the forum needs.
Ah the irony!
 
.Pot.Kettle.Black. (I think thats my favourite saying today - geez, I wish this rain would stop so I could go outside and be constructive today...[:)])
 
Peace and Rapture



Turn my words around, see them any way you like, post away... just try to follow the OP and stick to the thread topic - or do you enjoy being discourteous - there are plenty of other threads out there is you want to talk mumbo jumbo on - go find them [;)]



KatyLied -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 9:54:52 AM)

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 i have had many emails about this thread thanking me and telling me it's about time someone spoke up about it.

Fantastic - another clique of like minded individuals forming  - just what the forum needs.
Ah the irony!


I think someone tried to point out the irony a few posts ago, repetition is sometimes necessary.    [:D]



velvetears -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 9:55:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dauric

... While I'm all for relativity in many areas of philospohical debate ("Einstein's not just for Physics anymore") especially perceptual relativity, darkinshadows, I think you're taking it perhaps a step too far.

There is a point where you can cross a line that is unacceptable to the community you are in. Now while one shouldn't go "vigilante" at any and every percieved slight, the are times when a vast majority of the posters in a thread are showing obvious irritation or downright outrage, that it is appropriate to -someone- to call one to task for their inflamatory behavior.

$0.02,

Dauric.

Thank you Dauric



Dauric -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 9:57:19 AM)

....

I'm a mad programmer.

Pot = function(){
       Kettle("Black");
}

Couldnt resist. Have to add that to the old one:

while (horse = = dead){
       Beat();
}



darkinshadows -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 10:24:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dauric

... While I'm all for relativity in many areas of philospohical debate ("Einstein's not just for Physics anymore") especially perceptual relativity, darkinshadows, I think you're taking it perhaps a step too far.

How far is too far?  How long is a piece of string?
But seriously, to quote a lovely lady -
 
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how you see it is up to you. 
[:D]


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There is a point where you can cross a line that is unacceptable to the community you are in. Now while one shouldn't go "vigilante" at any and every percieved slight, the are times when a vast majority of the posters in a thread are showing obvious irritation or downright outrage, that it is appropriate to -someone- to call one to task for their inflamatory behavior.

$0.02,

Dauric.

There just isn't a line for many people.  That is what the moderators of CM are for.  You start being the vigilante - that is when witchhunts start.  If you do not like the way a person is behaving or the way a forum is run, then don't read, don't participate and dont come.  I place my trust in the moderators in this site.  I sign up knowing the TOS and accepting them.  We stick to the TOS and trust the Moderators in CM will deal with what they feel needs dealing with.  Other than that - everyone else has that wonderful freedom of speech to fall back on.
Drama threads happen.
Witch hunts happen.
Cliques do form.
& Irony is - well - horses for courses. (do we have to lead it though?[;)])
 
And we are programming in sayings now!  Maybe thats a new thread?[:D]
 
Peace and much Rapture Dauric
 





darkinshadows -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 10:31:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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 i have had many emails about this thread thanking me and telling me it's about time someone spoke up about it.

Fantastic - another clique of like minded individuals forming  - just what the forum needs.
Ah the irony!


I think someone tried to point out the irony a few posts ago, repetition is sometimes necessary.    [:D]


Darnit Katy - I would join your NFL thread, but I am a simple Brit who has no idea on which end of the pitch is being used at any one time[:(]...
 
Peace



velvetears -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 10:36:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

 - everyone else has that wonderful freedom of speech to fall back on.

 
If your idea of "freedom of speech" is for a group of people to follow drama threads and make cruel remarks (to people not even involed in the thread at the time) as well as to the op, insult and generally use it to be mean - than i feel rather sorry for you.



KatyLied -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 10:46:27 AM)

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Darnit Katy - I would join your NFL thread, but I am a simple Brit who has no idea on which end of the pitch is being used at any one time...


But you can still comment on what guys look good in which uniforms.  A lot of that thread is for the purpose of making Level use this icon:  [sm=ofcourse.gif]



darkinshadows -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 10:48:36 AM)

But people do make cruel remarks and it is up to how people react to them.
You just ignore, or you take it to heart.
 
Is it nice?  No.
But it happens.
And the mods deal with it.
If you cannot trust other people to see past such attacks, or can't trust the moderators here to deal with such posts - then unlike you - I do not show pity - because I give people more credit and have more respect for people than to feel 'sorry' for people I have never met, do not really know - especially when pity has not been asked for.
You are responsible for yourself - your feelings, your reactions and your actions.  You agreed that.
No insincere sorry, no patronising pity, just trust.
And always, Love.
 
Peace and Rapture



velvetears -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 10:57:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

But people do make cruel remarks and it is up to how people react to them.
You just ignore, or you take it to heart.
 
Is it nice?  No.
But it happens.
And the mods deal with it.
If you cannot trust other people to see past such attacks, or can't trust the moderators here to deal with such posts - then unlike you - I do not show pity - because I give people more credit and have more respect for people than to feel 'sorry' for people I have never met, do not really know - especially when pity has not been asked for.
You are responsible for yourself - your feelings, your reactions and your actions.  You agreed that.
No insincere sorry, no patronising pity, just trust.
And always, Love.
 
Peace and Rapture



This isn't about pity or feeling sorry for the ones who are attacked, although that is your perogative to do so if you like.  This is about truth and honesty, not saying you dislike something and calling it drama and whining about it when in reality you're tickled pink to have an opportunity to tear posters apart you have singled out as (not my words) idiots, morons, drama seekers, etc.  i don't call that free speech i call that "pack mentality" 



Dauric -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 11:09:05 AM)

We'll have to agree to disagree here I suspect.

Mind you, In the rare instances that  feel compelled to inform somene that they are being less than polite, I make it clear that it is -my opinon- that they are crossing, or have crossed from civil discourse to pesonal attacks. I give them every opportunity to explain, apologise, or change their tact before I condemn them for crude behavior.

And as I said, this is a -VERY- rare occourance that I ever feel this is necessary.

$0.02,

Dauric.




darkinshadows -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 11:14:30 AM)

You exuded pity and spoke about feeling sorry for someone.  No one else did.
 
Freedom of speach means people like Westboro Baptist Church can exude their hate.  Its not pretty, it isn't how the majority feel, but it is freedom that some people do not have.  In some countries, a woman could be stoned for showing an ankle, let alone speaking her mind. 
 
I trust that people can see through what is written - including what is written here - I respect people think and see for themselves, without it having to be pointed out that there is a witch hunt, or a drama based thread.
And I trust the moderators.(even if I may not always agree).
No more, no less.
 
Peace and of course, the Rapture



darkinshadows -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 11:30:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dauric

We'll have to agree to disagree here I suspect.

Mind you, In the rare instances that  feel compelled to inform somene that they are being less than polite, I make it clear that it is -my opinon- that they are crossing, or have crossed from civil discourse to pesonal attacks. I give them every opportunity to explain, apologise, or change their tact before I condemn them for crude behavior.

And as I said, this is a -VERY- rare occourance that I ever feel this is necessary.

$0.02,

Dauric.

If I am in my house, or in my personal space and someone is being obnoxious IMO - then yes, I will stand up and say my personal POV.  And then they are asked to leave.  It is my house or personal space after all.
 
CM isn't my house.
 
And yes of course, I say if something erks me - (theres that freedom of speech thang again) - but I do understand it doesn't mean I am right... it's just my personal feelings on a subject - but when someone says they are trying to point out anothers or a cliques mistakes and do not get when they cannot see it - yet cannot accept when their mistakes are pointed out and get frosty when people try to show their post - as an example of - as the beautiful Katy stated - it makes for an incredibly ironic post.
Personal attack do not have to be crude, or violent - they can be wrapped in pity, sorries and false caring attitudes.
 
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The irony of complaining about complainers complaining or picking on those thought to be picking on the pickers.
Peace and Rapture



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 11:35:38 AM)

*shrug*

From one post I've gotten posts and emails saying "Yeah, that was right on the money, thanks, you helped me so much!" and posts and emails saying "You totally suck, that was mean and pointless and you should be ashamed and nicer to people."

Exactly who should I follow?  How should I change my posts? 



velvetears -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 11:39:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

You exuded pity and spoke about feeling sorry for someone.  No one else did.
 
Freedom of speach means people like Westboro Baptist Church can exude their hate.  Its not pretty, it isn't how the majority feel, but it is freedom that some people do not have.  In some countries, a woman could be stoned for showing an ankle, let alone speaking her mind. 
 
I trust that people can see through what is written - including what is written here - I respect people think and see for themselves, without it having to be pointed out that there is a witch hunt, or a drama based thread.
And I trust the moderators.(even if I may not always agree).
No more, no less.
 
Peace and of course, the Rapture



Now you assume to tell me what i am saying or what i exude, speak for yourself not me.  Let others discern for themselves, not your misinterpretations of what i say and mean. 

Yes people can see through what is written, never said they couldn't so don't ass-u-me i did.  i may point out whatever i want to point out - use your own freedom of speech to ignore it or not read it if it offends you.

Trust the moderators all you want - they don't generally step in till things get really abusive - the "clique" is far to  clever as to make it that obvious. 



velvetears -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 11:45:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

*shrug*

From one post I've gotten posts and emails saying "Yeah, that was right on the money, thanks, you helped me so much!" and posts and emails saying "You totally suck, that was mean and pointless and you should be ashamed and nicer to people."

Exactly who should I follow?  How should I change my posts? 


Why follow anyone?  Post as you see fit as long as you are ok with what you say, say it.  You generally, from what i see reading you over the months, speak your mind in a very straightforward way. You may come off as harsh but you don't generally try to denigrate others or go around adding to (the word you love so much) "meelee"   i certainly have never seen you lie and say - Oh i hate this drama - then immerse yourself in it, consistently, enjoying tearing down someone just for pure entertainment purposes. 



KatyLied -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 11:50:14 AM)

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Trust the moderators all you want - they don't generally step in till things get really abusive - the "clique" is far to  clever as to make it that obvious. 


I trust them.  I don't think moderators should constantly step in and referee spats among posters.  This is not an elementary school playground.  If people can't be tough they probably need to live a more secluded existence.  Perhaps on-line is too much for them.  If they cry to the moderators all that does is display that they are not capable of standing up for themselves. 



LaTigresse -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 11:54:12 AM)

I am going to go out on a limb and be a real bitch(probably)....[:D]

While I quite often read stuff that I find annoying and sometimes downright pathetic, I try to understand that in addition to the thought that behind every screen name is a person with feelings........blah blah blah.........There are other things at play.

IQ aka intelligence factor.........there are going to be people smarter than me, and people dumber than me, typing. Not everyone is capable of following a concept OR in the case of those more intelligent than I.....explaining it.

Sense of humour........some people have one, within that group some are more sarcastic and others less so.......and then you have the poor souls that wouldn't know humour if it bit them on the ass.

Some people view the world only in black and white, some in varying shades of grey, and some of us get to see all sorts of psychedelic colours.

Some like to have everything nice and tidy.....categorized......organized. It drives them batshit when they don't have a good grasp of where everything fits and are able to keep it there. Then there are those of us that simply thrive on the messiness of life, see the beauty in imperfections. And of course all the varying degrees in the middle.

I could go on and on and on........but I won't. The truth is that for the most part I enjoy almost ALL styles of posters on the forum boards. Some days I really have no interest in the random stupidity while other days thats about all my brain is willing to consider. Other days I see obnoxious humour in things that others are totally serious about. Some days I am feeling veddy wise and introspective and am drawn to threads that feed that. Other days I will be feeling really big for my drawers and cruise the Gor forums looking for interesting tidbits.

But I must say the one style of post that is guaranteed to never interest me aside from wanting to poke sharp objects in a person to see if they whistle or just hiss when the hot air comes out is the......holier than thou, schoolmarm, I am so perfect and just do not understand why everyone doesn't follow my ideal of how the world should be..........style of posting. All I see when I read that, is someone behind the computer that must be really irritating to spend too much time around. All that conforming to set ideals, trying to meet some sort of expectations set by their own rigid code or standard of conduct. I get really squicky in the stomach when I am reminded that there are far too many people like this that expect, no demand, that the world accept them as they are, yet cannot even begin to conceed that their way may not be right for everyone. It reminds me of some uptight old bible school teacher that looks like she never got laid except with her flannel nightie over her head in the dark while she clenched her fists and teeth praying under her breath for god to forgive the man his base weaknesses.......and to hurry up and have it be over.

Just because you don't find someone else's behaviour appealing or right for YOU does not mean the rest of the world must conform or that they are evil sinners because they don't agree with you or conform. Nor does it mean they are less a person for it. It just means they are their own unique person. I know it is nigh on impossible for those that only see such a narrow concept of how to behave, to accept that they are not better than those that are not the same, but your really not any better a person......just different. You do not have to like it, agree with it, or even acknowledge it. One thing you should do, for your own well being, is accept that no matter how much you harp, harrange, whine, get on your high horse and preach.......your not going to change it. You will only continue to give the sharp stick pokers a target and make them damned glad they are not you.

As has been said before..........no one is forcing (as far as I know) anyone to read any of this stuff. If you don't like it, don't read it. Which I normally try to do with the school marm posters but today my sharp stick was begging to be used.



darkinshadows -> RE: Constructive Ideas Needed (5/14/2007 11:55:29 AM)

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Now you assume to tell me what i am saying or what i exude, speak for yourself not me.  Let others discern for themselves, not your misinterpretations of what i say and mean. 

Did not assume.  You said it.
 
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ORIGINAL: velvetears
- than i feel rather sorry for you.



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Yes people can see through what is written, never said they couldn't so don't ass-u-me i did. 

Again, never assumed you didn't.  I simply stated I respect people to be able to see through words. So do not make it seem I was refering anything to you.
You try to be very good at that with many people.
If I am refering to you, you will know it because I would be direct(see above)
But then, me stating that, makes me no better than you, pulling up people for what you see - does it?
But that is just my personal opinion.  Does not mean I am correct.
 
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i may point out whatever i want to point out - use your own freedom of speech to ignore it or not read it if it offends you.
I do and I will.
 
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Trust the moderators all you want - they don't generally step in till things get really abusive - the "clique" is far to  clever as to make it that obvious. 
That is because they (mods) remain unbiased.
If one sees something far to clever to be obvious - then one only see what they do themselves.
 
Peace and Rapture
 



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