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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 10:07:27 PM   
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I'm not saying there isn't a conspiracy, just that unless I have access to the actual post-event site, run my own grid, and compile the physical evidence available, I will not be able to qualify any alternate theory. Is there a plausible alternate theory? Definately. Could it be true? Certainly. Is it? I don't know. And because I don't know, I'm not going start "believing" anything just because it's plausible.

Which brings me back to my original point: the investigation focused on the cause of the tragedy -namely, hijacked planes flying to buildings- and not what other subterfuge was going on the city that got messed up in the event. 9/11 was just one iternerary in a long chain of events, which the investigation did not touch upon, and they had no reason to do so.


Come on with all the witnesses testifying to bombs going off and its not even tested for explosive damage?  How could that possibly in any kind of "cause" discovery be ommited?   In fact there is no mention of bombs in as much as a consideration even, in either the FEMA, ASCE or NIST report and the 3 agengies disagree on other shit as well LOLOL

Their responsibily is to find out what the hell went on that day not cover it up. 


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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 10:10:19 PM   
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Here is a question for all you nonconspiracy wacko!

Do you think a bullet can zigzag?



Of course they can.

Even the newest of ballistic students know they can.


go through 2 people break bones and come out pristine? yeh of course they can

So where can i buy some of these u-turn bullets?

next you will tell me that you can hit someone on the back of the head with a 2x4 and their head will fly backwards into the board lol

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 10:15:12 PM   
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0oops hit the wrong one LOL


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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 10:32:20 PM   
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There are several ways to take out a building in a controlled demolition and the reports did say bombs in the basement prior to brining it down  :)

So we can put John F Kennedy Oon that list of conspiracy wankers hey ken?  here are a few words about the illuminati and how they operate for you to ponder, you could ask him but oh wait they killed him thats right:




I
     The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.
     But I do ask every publisher, every editor, and every newsman in the nation to reexamine his own standards, and to recognize the nature of our country's peril. In time of war, the government and the press have customarily joined in an effort based largely on self-discipline, to prevent unauthorized disclosures to the enemy. In time of "clear and present danger," the courts have held that even the privileged rights of the First Amendment must yield to the public's need for national security.
     Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.
     If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.
     It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
     Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.
     Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security--and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.
     For the facts of the matter are that this nation's foes have openly boasted of acquiring through our newspapers information they would otherwise hire agents to acquire through theft, bribery or espionage; that details of this nation's covert preparations to counter the enemy's covert operations have been available to every newspaper reader, friend and foe alike; that the size, the strength, the location and the nature of our forces and weapons, and our plans and strategy for their use, have all been pinpointed in the press and other news media to a degree sufficient to satisfy any foreign power; and that, in at least in one case, the publication of details concerning a secret mechanism whereby satellites were followed required its alteration at the expense of considerable time and money.
     The newspapers which printed these stories were loyal, patriotic, responsible and well-meaning. Had we been engaged in open warfare, they undoubtedly would not have published such items. But in the absence of open warfare, they recognized only the tests of journalism and not the tests of national security. And my question tonight is whether additional tests should not now be adopted.
     The question is for you alone to answer. No public official should answer it for you. No governmental plan should impose its restraints against your will. But I would be failing in my duty to the nation, in considering all of the responsibilities that we now bear and all of the means at hand to meet those responsibilities, if I did not commend this problem to your attention, and urge its thoughtful consideration.
     On many earlier occasions, I have said--and your newspapers have constantly said--that these are times that appeal to every citizen's sense of sacrifice and self-discipline. They call out to every citizen to weigh his rights and comforts against his obligations to the common good. I cannot now believe that those citizens who serve in the newspaper business consider themselves exempt from that appeal.
     I have no intention of establishing a new Office of War Information to govern the flow of news. I am not suggesting any new forms of censorship or any new types of security classifications. I have no easy answer to the dilemma that I have posed, and would not seek to impose it if I had one. But I am asking the members of the newspaper profession and the industry in this country to reexamine their own responsibilities, to consider the degree and the nature of the present danger, and to heed the duty of self-restraint which that danger imposes upon us all.
     Every newspaper now asks itself, with respect to every story: "Is it news?" All I suggest is that you add the question: "Is it in the interest of the national security?" And I hope that every group in America--unions and businessmen and public officials at every level-- will ask the same question of their endeavors, and subject their actions to the same exacting tests.
     And should the press of America consider and recommend the voluntary assumption of specific new steps or machinery, I can assure you that we will cooperate whole-heartedly with those recommendations.
     Perhaps there will be no recommendations. Perhaps there is no answer to the dilemma faced by a free and open society in a cold and secret war. In times of peace, any discussion of this subject, and any action that results, are both painful and without precedent. But this is a time of peace and peril which knows no precedent in history.
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     It is the unprecedented nature of this challenge that also gives rise to your second obligation--an obligation which I share. And that is our obligation to inform and alert the American people--to make certain that they possess all the facts that they need, and understand them as well--the perils, the prospects, the purposes of our program and the choices that we face.
     No President should fear public scrutiny of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary. I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed.
     I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers--I welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.
     Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed--and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution- -not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold, educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.
     This means greater coverage and analysis of international news--for it is no longer far away and foreign but close at hand and local. It means greater attention to improved understanding of the news as well as improved transmission. And it means, finally, that government at all levels, must meet its obligation to provide you with the fullest possible information outside the narrowest limits of national security--and we intend to do it.
III
     It was early in the Seventeenth Century that Francis Bacon remarked on three recent inventions already transforming the world: the compass, gunpowder and the printing press. Now the links between the nations first forged by the compass have made us all citizens of the world, the hopes and threats of one becoming the hopes and threats of us all. In that one world's efforts to live together, the evolution of gunpowder to its ultimate limit has warned mankind of the terrible consequences of failure.
     And so it is to the printing press--to the recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news--that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent.



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I thought that was one hell of a speech myself.........Just my 2 cents again


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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 10:35:51 PM   
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Come on with all the witnesses testifying to bombs going off and its not even tested for explosive damage? 

Witnesses are the most unreliable source of information. There is no such thing as "explosive damage" as distinct from other kinds of damage. The only thing they could test for was explosive residue, but even that is sketchy, given the properties and contents of the building. The best evidence against an explosion is in the video available.

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How could that possibly in any kind of "cause" discovery be ommited?

Reducto ad absurdum. Contrasting evidence to eliminate contradictions. The presence of large fires contradicted the presence of explosives.

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In fact there is no mention of bombs in as much as a consideration even, in either the FEMA, ASCE or NIST report

... I wonder why

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Their responsibily is to find out what the hell went on that day not cover it up. 

Nope; their responsability, well, depends on each institution. FEMA had to know how the people were killed, NIST to figure out how security to the aircraft failed, and I don't know what the ASCE is. You are also forgetting the courts, who had to determine guilt.

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 10:42:19 PM   
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JFK seems to be refering to Soviet Commuism in his speech, not the illuminatti.  But hey, why let facts get in the way.

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 10:51:14 PM   
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JFK seems to be refering to Soviet Commuism in his speech, not the illuminatti.  But hey, why let facts get in the way.


said from the master linguist and grammar expert of all times!  LMFAO  i was wondering how long it would take for you to pop in for a good misinterpretation of the facts!!   


Actually lucky he is talking about green trees and pretty spring meadows on a warm sunday afternoon near a slowly trickling creek!!!

get it right for christ sake!



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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 10:58:46 PM   
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So you claim he sees a conspiricy of green trees and meadows?  Where do you see any evidence of that?  Do you actually think that Real or are you lying?  Or most likely spouting nonsense because you are unable to defend your nonsense assertion?   So all you have in response to being caught intentionally misintrepreting what he said (lying) is to spout nonsense?   That probably is the best tactic for you Real, you seem to incapable of any sort of critical thinking.  It is impossible to debate ideas and facts with someone spouting nonsense like a retard, so you can pretend your winning. 

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 11:03:48 PM   
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RO......

Don't mind Kenin tonight.....he prolly got in a fight with his girl friend earlier today. He's an alright guy though....I can always count on him when I have 'puter problem  ; }





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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 11:06:53 PM   
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So you claim he sees a conspiricy of green trees and meadows?  Where do you see any evidence of that?  Do you actually think that Real or are you lying?  Or most likely spouting nonsense because you are unable to defend your nonsense assertion?   So all you have in response to being caught intentionally misintrepreting what he said (lying) is to spout nonsense?   That probably is the best tactic for you Real, you seem to incapable of any sort of critical thinking.  It is impossible to debate ideas and facts with someone spouting nonsense like a retard, so you can pretend your winning. 


ok here is the real deal  now, he was really talking about little fairies that fly around in the afternoon breeze that sprinkle pretty golden sparkles over the children making the sun jump over the moon with laughter and glee.

Now how much more critical can you want it?






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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 11:12:47 PM   
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Here is what I find funniest of all.  The conspiracy theorists claim the building was demolished.  They said it was controlled demolition.  The witnesses heard a loud bang coming from below them just before the plane hit.

Ok.  Just a few rudimentary facts here for when they are sucking on their crack pipes, Budweisers and DuMaurier 100's.

In a controlled demolition, teams of experts wire the foundation of a building with explosives and blow it remotely.  The charges are timed in such fashion that the building falls in on itself.  INSTANTLY!!!!

Now, let us examine the facts.  The fucking WTC 1 & 2 stood for 1 hour plus AFTER the explosion.  This SUPPOSED explosion in the basement.  So either the demo team is the biggest bunch of FUCKUPS *EVER*, or the controlled demolition theory is complete and total bullshit.  Now.  We examine the footage of the collapse.  The collapse initiated from the floors that were hit by the airplanes.  The top came down first, and then the entire building collapsed under the weight.  This was an unprecedented architectural design.  It was the only building in history to be built with an exoskeleton that was it's primary source of support.  An exoskeleton that was compromised.  It is the only 110 story building in history to have collapsed, due to this design.  In the event of a structural compromise, the building was designed to fall in on itself.  ALL skyscrapers are engineered this way.

So.  They blow the foundation at the time of impact, according to several witnesses.  The foundation stands for 1 1/2 hours after impact, but the top caves in, as CLEARLY seen in the video?  What kind of moron falls for that kind of rubbish?

What they heard was the explosion from the airplane through the elevator shafts, which were the core of the building.

Witnesses claimed to hear firework-like-noises when the building finally came down.  NO SHIT!!!  What did they expect?  100's of thousands of tons of steel and concrete, hitting a floor at a time and completely pulverizing everything in it's path, to not make a sound?  Wow.  That is some pretty fine crack.

Then the theorists claim that the banks in the building were somehow going to accept a 3 day, undocumented complete power shutdown?  And the guy saying that the steel was certified by the UL to withstand the heat....   Yeah, he got fired for making bullshit claims..  And he was not even who he claimed he was to the conspiracy theorists.

And THEN..  The theorists say that billions of dollars in gold was missing from the basement.  Oh really.  And the banks did not even notice?  Pocket change I suppose.

On top of that...  The theorists say that Bush's brother was chief of security for the building...  When in actual fact his company's contract was dismissed and a more competent firm brought in in 2000 due to the inability to fulfill contractual obligations.

Then they say all the steel was hussled overseas and recycled to avoid examination... When there are several tons of it piled up in a US Air Force base for examination.

And THEN...  The owner of the building claimed the buildings TWICE on insurance due to there being two independent attacks...  And these wackos expect us to believe that any insurance company is going to fork over BILLIONS of dollars in assets over a government coverup?  And not raise an eyebrow?  Or spend a copious amount of money launching their own investigation?  They are just going to roll over and play dead?   The bastards will have you thrown in jail if you burn your own car and claim it on insurance...  I think they might have a think or two to say if they even REMOTELY suspected you bombed your own buildings.

Oh.. And the asbestos was not being inspected or replaced..  When copious amounts of photographic evidence indicates the contrary.  That the loss to replace it was too great and thus they just blew the buildings up...  When in fact the attack cost FAR MORE than any replacement ever would.

Jeez, we can go on and on and on.   These conspiracy theories just do not hold a candle when confronted with the facts.  Some people need to back away from the bong.

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 11:16:49 PM   
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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
     Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.
     Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security--and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.
     For the facts of the matter are that this nation's foes have openly boasted of acquiring through our newspapers information they would otherwise hire agents to acquire through theft, bribery or espionage; that details of this nation's covert preparations to counter the enemy's covert operations have been available to every newspaper reader, friend and foe alike; that the size, the strength, the location and the nature of our forces and weapons, and our plans and strategy for their use, have all been pinpointed in the press and other news media to a degree sufficient to satisfy any foreign power; and that, in at least in one case, the publication of details concerning a secret mechanism whereby satellites were followed required its alteration at the expense of considerable time and money.
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I thought that was one hell of a speech myself.........Just my 2 cents again




yeh its all part of the puzzle that got him shot,  actually andrew jackson would have been murdered by them too for shutting down their first national bank and kicking their asses out of town but fortunately the assassins gun misfired.  The illuminati more correctly known as the "illuminated" ones (visionaries) if you willare enemy to everyone because they breed the kind of corruption we see today and at the time of kennedy had already gained control over much of europe.




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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 11:20:25 PM   
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oh dont stop there keep going and talk about wtc7 falling then i will comment :)

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 11:22:34 PM   
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JFK was assassinated by Daddy Bush and friends, then member of the CIA and extremely well connected..  The same dumbass that bought an oil company off of Cuban shores from which operatives launched missions in Cuba, then named the fucking supply ship that was moving weapons into Cuba after his company.  Just like he named his two fighter jets after his wife when he was in the Air Force.  Deal with it..  What exactly does that have to do with the WTC..  Start your own damn thread and stop introducing straw men to avoid the fact that your WTC conspiracy theories are obviously full of shit and completely indefensible in the face of hard evidence and actual logic/scientific/architectural fact.

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 11:33:47 PM   
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Witnesses are the most unreliable source of information. There is no such thing as "explosive damage" as distinct from other kinds of damage. The only thing they could test for was explosive residue, but even that is sketchy, given the properties and contents of the building. The best evidence against an explosion is in the video available.

Several 100 of them?  fire chiefs? EMt's etc etc none know th difference?  Thats a stretch.

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Reducto ad absurdum. Contrasting evidence to eliminate contradictions. The presence of large fires contradicted the presence of explosives.

No refuting the point with evidence to the contrary, how else do you prove something. 

you have eliminated witnesses now you want to elimiate evidence too.   What you said here has no foundation in reason.

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.. I wonder why

coverup

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Nope; their responsability, well, depends on each institution. FEMA had to know how the people were killed, NIST to figure out how security to the aircraft failed, and I don't know what the ASCE is. You are also forgetting the courts, who had to determine guilt.


you need to brush up on our gov a little more




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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 11:35:57 PM   
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i am still waiting for your comment and explanation on how wtc 7 "collapsed" after 5 whole hours of standing on 911

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/19/2007 11:45:25 PM   
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Several 100 of them?  fire chiefs? EMt's etc etc none know th difference?  Thats a stretch.

You forget I regularly interview EMTs, Chiefs and firefighters as part of my investigations. In fact, I am a trained EMT, a firefighter and a member of my Department's Command Group. They are not reliable witnesses. And, considering that of the two of us, I am the only arson investigator, it's my word we will be taking.

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you have eliminated witnesses now you want to elimiate evidence too.   What you said here has no foundation in reason.

No, I said that the existence of large fires precludes the existence of explosives. What "evidence" is there to suggest that there were explosives that I'm eliminating?

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coverup

Ah! *claps*

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you need to brush up on our gov a little more

Exactly. I'm not going to start theorizing about things without having a solid basis for fact. Unlike other people

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/20/2007 12:21:15 AM   
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Just explain to them that explosions *below* the impact (it was "theorized" that explosives were rigged on the upper floors as well) would have blown the walls outwards..  The videos are hard evidence that this did not occur.  Which further shoots that theory to shit.

Oh.  Let us not forget the obvious...  That the "theorists" claim that the "conspirators" used thermite to blow up the building.  Yet in the same horseshit video not even 10 minutes later they show you the steel, bent but otherwise in mint condition.  No holes from thermite.  Not in any single piece of wreckage extracted from the buildings.  But I guess it sounds good when you are a nut job making a Google video.

And then the supposed loss of all that gold.  I go apeshit when I lose $50 and I tear the house apart looking for it.  But I can not for the life of me see why any bank might have a shit fit over losing a couple billion in gold.  Which for some reason did not happen.  Maybe the bank was in on this grand scheme???  Can we add them into the HUNDREDS of people that would have had to be in on this little scam...  Not one of which have surfaced with the supposed "truth"...  Duh duh duh duh...   Funny enough there are plenty of people that are out there willing to feed us a line of shit to make us think the big, bad government blew them up.  Not to mention the BRUTAL impact that loss of gold would have had on the world economy, considering every country's economy is based on the amount of gold it has on hand.

Nah.  Pocket change. 

Should we tell the oblivious that it was observed that building 7 was on fire too and had withstood significant shock when the other two buildings fell?  Nah.  Probably would not even clue in.

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/20/2007 12:27:47 AM   
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i am still waiting for your comment and explanation on how wtc 7 "collapsed" after 5 whole hours of standing on 911


well?  what brought down bld 7?  fire? "BRUTAL" impact?

see words like that are called hyperbole.   i am serious i want to knwo what brought down #7 since NO PLANE HIT IT?


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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/20/2007 12:31:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

i am still waiting for your comment and explanation on how wtc 7 "collapsed" after 5 whole hours of standing on 911


well?  what brought down bld 7?  fire? "BRUTAL" impact?

see words like that are called hyperbole.   i am serious i want to knwo what brought down #7 since NO PLANE HIT IT?



I am quite certain that your video "evidence" plainly shows Elvis walking into the building with a backpack full of Yoko Ono albums and pipe bombs very shortly before the Illuminati shot down the UFO that slammed into it.

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