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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/21/2007 4:01:51 AM   
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Tax-Exempt Foundations Finance Subversion From an address given in Washington, D.C., 14 October, 1976, by Norman Dodd, Director of Research, Special Committee, U.S. House of Representatives to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations, 1954, Congressman Carroll Reece Chairman. Reprinted from Information Exchange.

"...That brings me to two experiences which I will describe to you. The first was my response to an invitation during November, 1953, from President Roman Gaither of the Ford Foundation, to meet in his office in New York. Upon arriving there, I was greeted with the following: 'Mr. Dodd, we invited you to come because we thought that perhaps, off the record, you would be kind enough to tell us why the Congress is interested in the operations of foundations such as ourselves.' Before I could think of how best to reply, he volunteered this. 'Mr. Dodd, we operate here under directives which emanate from the White House. Would you like to know what the substance of the directives is?' "My answer was, 'Yes, Mr. Gaither, I would like very much to know.'
Ford Foundation Mission: Merge U.S & Soviet Union.

"Whereupon he said: 'The substance of the directives under which we operate is that we shall use our grant-making power so to alter life in the United States that we can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.' Needless to say, I nearly fell off the chair. Before I could recover myself and reply, I said, 'Mr. Gaither, legally you are entitled to use your grant-making power for this purpose but I do not think you are entitled to withhold this information from the American people to whom you are beholden for your tax exemption. So why do you not tell the American people what you have just told me?' "His answer was: 'Mr. Dodd, we would not think doing that.' "That was one experience that was very informative. It was incredible. Nevertheless it is the truth."

Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

"The next experience involved the acceptance of an invitation from the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. This invitation came in response to a letter which I had written the Endowment asking a few pertinent questions. By pertinent I mean that they related to the effort of the Congress to determine if foundations were engaged in what the Congress said could be un-American activities without defining un-American. I arrived at the office of Dr. Joseph Johnson, who was then President of the Endowment. He was the successor to Alger Hiss. Present were two Vice-Presidents, relatively new men, and Counsel, a partner in the law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell. After amenities, Dr. Johnson opened the conversation this way: 'Mr. Dodd, we have received your letter. We can answer the question but it will be a great deal of trouble. The reason for its being a great deal of trouble is that with the ratification of the Senate of the United Nations treaty, our task was done. And so we bundled up everything in the way of record and sent them to the warehouse and adopted a policy of constructing a building across the street from the United Nations which served as a facility for the benefit of those many organizations which, from this point on, would be bound to follow the activities of the United Nations. So we have a counter suggestion which is as follows: If you can spare a member of your staff and send him to New York for two weeks, we'll provide a room in our library and also make available to him the minute books of the corporation from its inception.' "My first reaction was that he had lost his mind. I had some suspicion of what these minute books might well contain. But here was counsel and there seemed to be no disagreement on the part of the Vice-Presidents and all of them were relatively young. So my guess was that none of them had ever read the minutes themselves. As a result I accepted the invitation and did send a member of my Staff to New York. That member brought back to me on Dictaphone belts the following:

War: Instrument of Change

"We are now back to roughly 1908 when the trustees raised a question, asking themselves: 'Is there any way known to man more effective than war, assuming they wish to alter the life of an entire people? They discussed this question academically and in a scholarly fashion for almost a year and came up with the conclusion that war is the most effective means known to man, assuming that objective. "They then raised Question No. 2: 'How do we involve the United States in the war?' This was in 1909. I doubt if there was any subject more removed from the minds of people in this country at that time than the possibility of involvement in war. There were intermittent shows, you will remember, in the Balkans and my guess is that not many people in the country knew where the Balkans were. They answered the question this way: 'We must control the diplomatic machinery of the United States.' "That brings up Question No. 3, which is: 'How do we secure control of the diplomatic machinery of the United States?' And the answer comes up, 'We must control the State Department.' "That fits in with prior findings which we had uncovered, namely that the hand of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace inside the State Department was a fact. "Finally, we are in a war. These Trustees have the brashness to congratulate themselves on the wisdom and validity of their original decision. Because already the impact of our participation in World War I had indicated its capacity to alter our national life. They even go so far as to word and dispatch a telegram to President Wilson, pressuring him to see to it that the war does not end too quickly.

Rockefeller Foundation & Revisionist History

"Finally the war is over. The Trustees then take up the problem which they face, namely of preventing--as they put it--a reversion of life in the United States to what it was prior to 1914. They come up with the conclusion that to gain that end we must control education in the United States. They realize this is a prodigious piece of work, so they seek and obtain the assistance of the Rockefeller Foundation. They then divide the task in parts, giving to the Rockefeller Foundation the responsibility of altering education as it pertains to domestic subjects. They retain for themselves the task of altering our education as it pertains to subjects bearing on our international relationships. They then decide together that the key to this is an alternation in the teaching of American History. So they approach these three of the then existing prominent historians with the proposition that they alter the manner in which up to then they had presented the subject. They were turned down flatly. They then decide that it is necessary for them to build their own stable of historians. Then they approach the Guggenheim Foundation which specializes in the awarding of fellowships and suggest: When we discover a likely young person who is studying and looking forward to becoming a teacher of history, we will take him to London to pursue his studies. So they take 20 to London and there these 20 are briefed in what is expected of them. These 20 return and eventually become the most active influence in the American Historical Society. "This coincides with the appearance (which perhaps you will remember) of book after book, the contents of which cast aspersion on the founders of this country, cast aspersion on the ideas which prompted the founding of this country and relegates them to the realm of myth.

INCOME TAX "The people will be crushed under the burden of taxes, loan after loan will be floated; after having drained the present, the State will devour the future." Fredric Bastiat

In 1979, then Senator Barry Goldwater wrote the following warning about the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) in his book, With No Apologies:
"The CFR is composed of ... most elite names in the world of government, labor, business, finance communication, the foundations, and academies. It has staffed almost every key position of every administration since that of FDR. "A number of writers disturbed by the influential role that this organization has played in determining foreign policy have concluded that the Council of Foreign Relations and its members are an active part of the communist conspiracy for world domination.... Many of the policies advocated by the CFR have been damaging to the cause of freedom and particularly to the United States, but this is not because the members are communist or communist sympathizers. This explanation of our foreign policy reversals is too pat, too simplistic. "I believe the Council on Foreign Relations and its ancillary elitist groups are indifferent to communism. They have no ideological anchors. In their pursuit of a New World Order [World Government] they are prepared to deal without prejudice with a communist state, a socialist state, a democratic state, monarchy, oligarchy -- it's all the same to them. "Our government in Washington now is a horrible bureaucratic mess. It is disorganized, wasteful, has no purpose, and its policies -- when they exist -- are incomprehensible or devised by special interest groups with little or no regard for the welfare of the average American citizen..." http://goldwaterinstitute.org/photos.htm


"The Trilateral Commission is international...(and)...is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power--political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical." Barry Goldwater, U.S. Senator in his book "With No Apologies."

How our God-given rights were turned into government-granted privileges.

U.S. Citizens are declared Enemies of the U.S. Government: An examination of the Emergency War Powers Act of 1963.

"During World War I (WWI), the U.S. Congress passed the Trading With the Enemy Act (12 USC Sec. 95a, October 6, 1917). This Act was later amended into the Banking Relief Act of March 9, 1933 (Title 12 USC 95 (b); c 1, Title 1, Sec. 48 Stat. 1). By means of that amendment, the United States has been operating under War And Emergency Powers since March 9, 1933.

"Under the 1933 Banking Relief Act, the federal government declared the Bank Holiday of March 6, 1933, and relieved the banks from their contractual obligation to the American people of redeeming their Federal Reserve Notes in gold (the Federal Reserve Note originally constituted a warehouse receipt for real gold which the people had placed on deposit with the banks).

"The original Trading With the Enemy Act of October 6, 1917, was enacted at a time when the United States was at war with Germany (WWI), and is therefore Constitutional under Article I, Sec. 8, Cl. 11, U.S. Constitution:

"'Congress shall have the power to declare War, grant Letters of Margue and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water.'

"The amended version (1933) of the original Trading With the Enemy Act (1917) was approved and passed by Congress on March 9, 1933. This amended version was enacted at a time when the United States was not at War with any foreign foe.

"Further, the amended version (1933) was radically different from the 1917 version. In 1917, the jurisdiction of the Trading With the Enemy Act excluded all citizens of the United States. However the 1933 version included citizens of the United States under its jurisdiction by adding the following language:

"'By any person within the United States of any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof.'

"Under the amended version (1933) of the 1917 Act and by operation of law, the American people became the same status as the foreign 'Enemy' of 1917. As such all Americans were therefore subject to regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March 9, 1933 (12 USC 95b).

"After the American people were declared to be 'enemies,' all legal and commercial intercourse became illegal, and the only way one could do business or any type of legal intercourse was to obtain permission from our government by means of a form of license (by law, a 'license' is a permit to do that which would otherwise be illegal).

"As you might expect, our government normally protects the United States by restricting the activities of 'enemies.' For example, we wouldn't expect the federal government to allow communist agents to travel freely or open a business in our country. Nevertheless, there are times when the government might allow members of an 'enemy' nation to travel from New York to Chicago. For example, when athletes of the former Soviet Union came to America, our government granted them special permission ('licenses') to do that (travel) which would otherwise be prohibited for Russian agents.

"That our government might 'license' foreigners who might be enemies is unremarkable, but whoever imagined that our own government licensed us for the very same reason? Today, if one wants to travel, one has to have a Driver's license; if one wants to work, one must obtain a license (Social Security Card). It has sometimes been said, one will not be able to buy, sell,or trade without the Mark (Margue--License of Reprisal, Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.).

"By Executive Order 2039 of March 6, 1933, and Executive Order 2040 of March 9, 1933, the belligerent (now) United States (federal government) acting under the War Power seized title to all gold (lawful, constitutional money), took physical possession of all the money, and left the American people penniless, bankrupt, and without means to lawfully pay their debts.

"After the United States had seized title and took physical possession of the people's (lawful) money, the government found it necessary to issue a new form of currency in order for the people to carry on normal business transactions. This new currency was in the form of Federal Reserve Bank Notes (War and Emergency currency), and not Federal Reserve Notes (warehouse receipts for gold).

"'This new money will be worth 100 cents on the dollar because it is backed by the credit of the Nation. It will represent a mortgage on all the homes and other property of all the people in the Nation' (Congressional Record, March 19, 1933).

"The people were now prohibited from being able to pay their debts at law (i.e., with lawful money/gold) and were forced to mortgage their goods and services to one of the banks or lending institutions in order to obtain Federal Reserve Bank Notes in order to discharge (not lawfully 'pay') their debts. The people now being classified as the 'enemy' also became the captured chattel property of the United States to secure the debt (Federal Reserve Bank Notes).

"The governors of the states of the Union capitulated to the demands of President Roosevelt on March 6, 1933 (Roosevelt papers 1933). The former states of the Union became nothing more than political subdivisions or occupied territories of the belligerent corporate United States (Butler v. U.S. Supreme Court, 1936, Public Law 93-549).

"The former judicial Courts (Courts of Justice (now took silent judicial notice of the Maritime (International) In Rem jurisdiction, and took the role as Executive Officers (not Judicial) to enforce the Federal and State statutes in all cases whatever. The judges and lawyers in essence became nothing more than executive political hatchet men of their branch of government to enforce public policy statutes enacted by Congress and to enforce performance on this new commercial paper (Federal Reserve Bank Notes) in order to give it some sort of value.

"Once the people were declared to be the 'Enemy,' they lost all their unalienable rights under the (unlawfully suspended) Constitution and Bill of Rights. Since 1933, the American people have had no unalienable rights to life, liberty, and property... unless (until) these presumptions are opposed, denied, and rebutted (Remedy--due process--5th and 14th Amendments, Constitution of the United States of America)...." From a transcript of a lawsuit filed July, 1995 to the South Dakota Supreme Court.

Congressional Record--Senate November 19, 1973. 37669 CXIX--2373--Part 29


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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/21/2007 4:05:43 AM   
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Ok.  I have dissected every argument everyone has had with Real in the last year and come up with a summary.  It is as follows:

Poster:  There is no evidence of controlled demolition.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.bullshit.com for more details.

Poster:  WTC1 collapsed from the top, at the point of impact.  See these videos for evidence.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.horseshit.com for more details.

Poster:  There was no evidence of thermite.  See this video and these photographs for more details.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.wehatebush.com for more details.

Poster:  The WTC stood for an hour and a half after the supposed explosion that blew out the foundations.

Real:  Bush lied.  See www.conspiracytheories.com

Poster:  WTC 4,5 and 6 are still standing.

Real: Kennedy was assasinated by the Illuminati.  See www.we-saw-elvis.com for more details.

Poster:  Here is the photographic evidence that the asbestos was being systematically inspected and replaced.

Real:  Are you going to bring any real arguments to the table for me to debate?  Oh.  And Bush lied.  Please see this thread, this thread, this thread, these ten threads and this thread here for the exact same fucking post quoted from www.aliens-run-the-Illuminati.com


i'll be damned you fabricated the whole thing.   whats the point in just making shit up like this?   you better go back to your xwife man you need it bad!

looks more like www.kenshit.com

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/21/2007 4:08:11 AM   
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Oh did you say something about the illuminati?  here is what the illuminat has to say, do you know who the creator is?  he is quoted below take a wild guess!  LOL


The business of the New York journalist is to destroy truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon; to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. We are the tools and vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are intellectual prostitutes."
John Swinton, editor of the New York Tribune, called by his peers, "the dean of his profession," was asked on February 26th, 1936, to give a toast before the New York Press Association.

"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have."
Richard Salant, former president of CBS News.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated."

Bertrand Russell, philosopher, educator and mathematician, published a large number of books on logic, the theory of knowledge

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." --From The National Educator, K.M. Heaton

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." Norman Thomas





G is Grace, the Flaming Star is the Torch of Reason. Those who possess this knowledge are indeed Illuminati.
Adam Weishaupt

Hidden schools of wisdom are the means which will one day free men from their bonds.
Adam Weishaupt

In another situation, and in an active station in life, I should have been keenly occupied, and the founding of an order would have never come into my head.
Adam Weishaupt

It was the full conviction of this, and of what could be done, if every man were placed in the office for which he was fitted by nature and a proper education, which first suggested to me the plan of Illumination.
Adam Weishaupt

Oh mortal man, is there anything you cannot be made to believe?
Adam Weishaupt

The first task of the association must therefore be to form the young members.
Adam Weishaupt

The human race will then become one family, and the world will be the dwelling of Rational Men.
Adam Weishaupt

The slightest observation shows that nothing will so much contribute to increase the zeal of the members as secret union.
Adam Weishaupt

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - President James Madison

You are a den of vipers and thieves and I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out. If Congress has the right to issue paper money, it was given them to be used by themselves, and not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.." -- Andrew Jackson's address to Congress 1829

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march toward a world government. The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany, June 1991.




Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

A man generally has two reasons for doing a thing. One that sounds good, and a real one.
J. P. Morgan

Well, I don't know as I want a lawyer to tell me what I cannot do. I hire him to tell how to do what I want to do.
J. P. Morgan

We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.
James Paul Warburg

Immense power is acquired by assuring yourself in your secret reveries that you were born to control affairs.
Andrew Carnegie

He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave.
Andrew Carnegie

Good leadership consists of showing average people how to do the work of superior people.
John D. Rockefeller

I have ways of making money that you know nothing of.
John D. Rockefeller

I would rather earn 1% off a 100 people's efforts than 100% of my own efforts.
John D. Rockefeller

The ability to deal with people is as purchasable a commodity as sugar or coffee and I will pay more for that ability than for any other under the sun.
John D. Rockefeller

The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets.
John D. Rockefeller

"All of the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arises, not from the defects of the Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation." -- John Adams, Founding Father

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002




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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/21/2007 4:23:05 AM   
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Again I ask - should all this be true. Then what the hell is proposed by way of doing anything about it exactly?

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/21/2007 4:37:08 AM   
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Again I ask - should all this be true. Then what the hell is proposed by way of doing anything about it exactly?

E



yeh sad situation isnt it?  yet there are still people here who simply cannot understand it.   like a friend of mine said to me last night.  shit aint bad enough yet.   i have been trying to tell people their houses are mortaged they do not own them, they paid for them but they arent owned. 

i do not know i think the first thing is that people have to wake up. but the propaganda is strong and we now have a few generations who grew up on it.

voting 3rd party is a start. fight everything in court next but i dont know they have such a foot hold it may not be possible.




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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/21/2007 5:00:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Again I ask - should all this be true. Then what the hell is proposed by way of doing anything about it exactly?

E



yeh sad situation isnt it?  yet there are still people here who simply cannot understand it.   like a friend of mine said to me last night.  shit aint bad enough yet.   i have been trying to tell people their houses are mortaged they do not own them, they paid for them but they arent owned. 

i do not know i think the first thing is that people have to wake up. but the propaganda is strong and we now have a few generations who grew up on it.

voting 3rd party is a start. fight everything in court next but i dont know they have such a foot hold it may not be possible.



Voting 3rd party might work - if the 3rd party could attract the funds and airtime to be visible and credible. But given that funds and airtime are under the control of the baddies, this aint gonna happen. Could be a grassroots 3rd party that forces its own way forward, but how long would it last I wonder, before its leadership were named as paedophiles (or whatever else) or else were populated by or infected by the same influences as affect the whole?

The courts, given the supposed control and influence of the baddies, are a dead end. Law can also be changed as required, should there be evidence that is irrefutable proof of an offence - hey presto, its no longer an offence.

Civil disobedience? Again, supposing enough support could be gathered, it would soon become apparent that the leaders and activists were commie-nazi-islamist-paedophiles, I'm sure. Same with any armed insurrection.

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/21/2007 5:26:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Again I ask - should all this be true. Then what the hell is proposed by way of doing anything about it exactly?

E



yeh sad situation isnt it?  yet there are still people here who simply cannot understand it.   like a friend of mine said to me last night.  shit aint bad enough yet.   i have been trying to tell people their houses are mortaged they do not own them, they paid for them but they arent owned. 

i do not know i think the first thing is that people have to wake up. but the propaganda is strong and we now have a few generations who grew up on it.

voting 3rd party is a start. fight everything in court next but i dont know they have such a foot hold it may not be possible.



Voting 3rd party might work - if the 3rd party could attract the funds and airtime to be visible and credible. But given that funds and airtime are under the control of the baddies, this aint gonna happen. Could be a grassroots 3rd party that forces its own way forward, but how long would it last I wonder, before its leadership were named as paedophiles (or whatever else) or else were populated by or infected by the same influences as affect the whole?

The courts, given the supposed control and influence of the baddies, are a dead end. Law can also be changed as required, should there be evidence that is irrefutable proof of an offence - hey presto, its no longer an offence.

Civil disobedience? Again, supposing enough support could be gathered, it would soon become apparent that the leaders and activists were commie-nazi-islamist-paedophiles, I'm sure. Same with any armed insurrection.

E



the biggest problem is that our debt is getting bigger not smaller and there is consistant money that is being written off the books but not written of the books of the banks.

which of course means that our bill is getting bigger even tho we think we are getting close.  we have always been in debt since jefferson.  he was the last to totally and completely balance the budget.

the people have basically been misinformed and cannot get past thair belief that they are "well educated" to take a moment and take a second look to what they have known all theeir lives.

i have to give them credit tho they shure did a good job getting in.

that is another problem grass roots are already called kooks.  it may not be possible, until like my friend says things get bad enough and by that time it will be to late but then what has america ever done that was not done to late?

the first thinig is to educate but we have become suckers and we like it that way LOL

i do not know that i have answers to those questions.  i do know that this country is now militarizing the police and getting armored vehicles complete with gun turrets from none other than homeland security.

i do not know where the line is on our assets but when its gets high enough our country will go to whom ever was the highest bidder.  we are after groomed for the occasion.  with the implementation of the armoured cars we can stick our guns up our asses and kiss this constitution goodbye.


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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/21/2007 7:14:04 PM   
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We are watching another one of these horseshit conspiracy theory videos tonight.  It follows the same basic format as all the rest of the bullshit that Realone has come out with.  It is priceless.  They come up with all these theories, but they do not provide any evidence.

"But it has never happened before"  - DOESN'T fucking cut it.
"It looks like this happened" - It can look like anything you want.  God knows you have twisted it enough as it is.  Where is your fucking proof?  Nobody cares about your assumptions.  Show us the evidence.

They say that the core was strong enough to hold up the building, and that not enough of the exoskeleton was compromised.  The consistent theme of all these stupid videos is that these buffoons latch on to anything unexplained and build a conspiracy around it, proof or no.  They ignore the logical explanations and fabricate around the illogical, consistently.

I have a thought to present to these goons.  A jetliner requires substantial velocity to launch it into the air and keep it up there.  When it flew into the WTC, there is no prayer that it just stopped dead.  It would be like trying to stop a freight train.  There is no reason not to believe that the airplane did not strike and compromise the core of the structure.  That would send a fireball down the core of the structure.  Anyone standing on lower floors would hear an explosion through the core.  The floors collapsing would sound like "fireworks".

And of course they missed the main fact.  Examine ANY controlled demolition.  Then compare it to the collapse of the WTC.   OOOOOPS.  Yes, there is a HUGE difference.

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RE: WTC BS conspiracy theories totally trashed. - 5/21/2007 8:10:59 PM   
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Would you rather watch the horseshit conspiracy theory from the us gov?

The follow the same basic horseshit that pm mag and the bush butt buddies crank out.

i agree they do have a lot of crank theories that is why we have to do our own investigations.

Agreed again the gov does not provide any evidence either hell they illegally removed it from the crime scene!

yes the core was strong enough after all that was its function DUH!   Truth usually is consistant.

There is no reason to believe the aircraft caused the demoniltion.

yes buffoons have a tendency to latch on to things that get IGNORED by so called invcestigators.

Stop a freight train?  Not even close!  the weight of the plane wasnt enough so you want to add tonage now by using a train for an analogy huh?

really?  there are shit loads of videos with the `building crashing down and it sounded like a freight train or tornado to me.

there you go down the same boring path i have been down before.  so there is only one way to do a demolition huh?  only a buffoon would think that










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