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RandomGAGirl -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 11:07:41 AM)

That was a great post and really touched on so many things I was recently thinking about.. By recently a few minutes ago..

I've had the great misfortune of stumbling across the path of a manipulator/abuser that in retrospect I know I would have NEVER dealt with in the vanilla world.  When I started hearing bells and whistles I told myself that I wasn't being selfless, that I wasn't being a good sub.  It wasn't until other things happend that involved several other parties that I had to take the blinders off and think.  But I know most aren't lucky enough to have other subs to talk to who have been/are actively involved with the same Dom to let them know they aren't just imagining things or inventing problems.

Based on my experiences and the ones of my lil' sister in servitude I think that a lot of us aubs are more naive because we would like to think that the Man or Woman who is our Dom or potential Dom has honor and respects the power they have over us.  As that getting to know you stage developes it gets harder to look at those warning signs because as someone already stated you want to try and hopefully make things work.  For me it was EXTREMELY hard to recognize the situation for what it was because I had already invested so much, emotionally, into trying to trust in a way that doesn't always come natural.  Also I would have liked to think that one person could be so mean and manipulative to abuse that trust especially when they recognize that some Doms  have a tendancy to misrepresent themselves and abuse the power they are given.




MistressDoMe -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 11:12:54 AM)

Excellent post Quivver, I would add the dynamics you have talked about, are not just limited to submissive women.
Talk to the average Dominant woman around here.  Many of the Dominant women do not have male partners, also.
Women have to always be careful, not matter what side of the coin they fall on.
Men tend to always be men, rather Dominant or submissive!
Most of the men that approach me and many other Dominant women here, are NOT looking for long term relationships.
And fewer still are looking for any type of realistic relationship.
Don't think for one minute, finding a decent compatible submissive male for a long term relationship is easy.
Good luck in your search, Quivver.




MistressDoMe -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 11:15:43 AM)

Many men are preying on women here.
Some have both Dominant and  submissive profiles.
You would be surprised the Dominant men here that approach Dominant women wanting
to explore their submissive side.




texancutie -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 11:25:26 AM)

What a great post!  It just takes people a long time to learn it is a 2 way street is all.  Each person does get something out of the relationship.  A Dominant once told me....you serve the Dom, but the Dom also serves the sub.  I didn't really understand it until now.  And it is still something I have a bit of a difficult time wrapping my mind around.  All I know is that I make him happy, and in return, it just all works out, and I am happy.

I think in order to keep one's head about them, one has to keep reminding themselves that not everyone is the right fit for each other, and this is based in reality and not fantasy.  We all are not perfect, even Dominants are not completely perfect beings....and that is fine.  Finding the right person, is not really any different than finding someone in the vanilla world.  Well...it does have a twist to it, but one just has to really stop and think things through sometimes.




SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 12:51:05 PM)

A lovely and thought provoking post yet again Quivver.

quote:

If I have a question in all of this it would have to be, how is a Submissive who aches to serve keep their head about them and not be unsub like, even if that unsub like is only in their heads.


It is difficult. For many of us, not just subs. Part of the problem is that we aren't truly listening. How aften have we heard what we wanted to hear rather than what was truly being said by another person? The key to communication is not just listening to another person, but in truly comprehending what is being said.

Let's be honest though, many are quite capable of using all the right words and speaking all the pretty phrases in the language we understand within BDSM. The key is to combine the art of comprehension with the knowledge that actions do speak far louder than words. If their actions aren't matching up with the pretty words they're speaking then something is very wrong. For example, I was recently told that I am quite eloquent, and I suppose that I am in my own way. I'm sure that eloquence could be disarming to someone. The difference is that I'm able to back up all those lovely words and phrases with actions. It is the follow through that is of utmost importance. It's that follow through that you need to watch for.

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Normally in my Nilla world all my bells and whistles are in working order and I am rarely taken in.  It is here, or maybe I should say in a more personal relationship that I slip and become very near sighted while I fall for Bull Shit.  


I think that key here is to perhaps look at that person with the nilla colored pair of glasses instead. Take off those rose colored glasses and stomp them to bits if you must. I always think it's wonderful to find someone who's kink index is on my same level. The question then becomes is this person someone I would want to spend time with on a personal and vanilla level? Unfortunately, for me, that is when it tends to fall apart.

In the very beginning I always have a period of time spent together without any type of D/s whatsoever taking place simply to see what the interaction between us is like. To see if that connection is just as comfortable and enjoyable as all the kink. If that connection isn't present in both paradigms then it just isn't going to work for me. I would rather know that from the beginning. Granted no relationship is perfect, I don't look for perfect, nor do I want to be seen as perfect. What I do look for is the right person for me and vice versa.

So keep that vanilla BS radar in use all the time. I think the little red flags probably pop up for you, it's the ache within you that simply convinces you to overlook them or minimize their importance. I do wish you the best of luck.





stella40 -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 1:28:38 PM)

That was a great posting, Quivver and highlights a lot of what submissives feel and experience, and not just women, but anyone. I can add my own experiences, but this is from the transgendered perspective.

I came into BDSM many years ago as a lonely, confused, mixed up 18 year old (I'm now 40), my first Mistress was 65 and a former Pro-Domme who gave it up through ill health. I wanted to explore my 'feminine side' and also my submissive side, she wanted a sub domestic cleaner she could beat the crap out of. This relationship gave me not much more than a sore bottom and the chance to dress up as a woman. I looked like a freak. But I didn't know. These were my 'trannie' days.

I've known what I exactly wanted from life more or less since I was 17 years old. I've tried vanilla relationships, with both men and women, and I've tried BDSM relationships with men, women and couples. For many years I didn't know who I was, or what I was about, but I put my needs on the back burner, I felt uncomfortable about my body, about who I was, people were telling me different things - you're a transvestite, you're a crossdresser, you're a male and female in one body, you're a two spirit. I came into BDSM because I wanted to serve, I wanted to submit and I wanted to please. This explains why many of my former relationships and much of my experience was service based. I was the maid, the domestic slave, the subbie who came round and did the chores, maybe gave a massage, massaged feet, and I was happy with this.The focus wasn't on me, but on my Mistress, and she was happy too.

Sure, I knew what I wanted from life, I felt I knew what I wanted from life, but then there was no way I could put it into words, I couldn't explain it, I couldn't communicate what I wanted, or felt, or thought, and it didn't matter whether I was in a vanilla relationship or a BDSM relationship. And yes there were Mistresses who took advantage, because I let them, because I gave them no other option. I went through a phase of being into feminization heavily, but this wasn't me wanting to be forced to be a woman, or to be dressed up like a sissy, but it was a need I had, and all I felt I needed was a Mistress to sit down and make me talk about what was going on inside my head and to help me find myself.

Few have it harder when trying to find a relationship than the transgendered. It's not impossible of course, but many women find what they perceive to be a man in women's clothing to be unattractive, there are quite a few men interested but often they are men who either can't find women or just see you as some sort of sexual object - nothing more. I gave up, went back to trying to be a man, emigrated to Poland in 1993, became successful in my career in theatre in 1995, and I got married in 1996. My wife knew of my feminine side, she tried her best to accept it. It was when I got married that things changed, I realised that this isn't how it was meant to be, it's meant to be different. My wife suggested that I find a Domme who would enjoy my feminine side, and my wife would have my male side.

It got to 1998, the Internet became popular and it was here I discovered the truth, helped by my Domme, I am female, I am a transgendered female. I go to see doctors to make sure, and they confirm what I found out. This ends my marriage, my wife married a man, not a woman and I could no longer fulfil her needs. Under the tutelage of my Domme I am made to discover myself. No feminization required, just be yourself and who you really are. I spent five years with this Domme, she took the time and effort to retrain me, to teach me about myself, about BDSM, about Dominant Women and what they want, expect and need.

Through necessity I became part of the BDSM community and together with my Domme I have watched the BDSM community appear out of nothing in Poland and witnessed it coming out of hiding and from behind closed doors. My gender issues have always been parallel to my BDSM interests, and I found acceptance in the community which I couldn't find in mainstream society. And when I came out publicly in 2005 as a result of media pressure and lost everything, it was the BDSM community who stood by me and helped me return to the UK.

Yes, I have a lot of experience, I am aware, but I am also naive, I still make mistakes, errors of judgement, and I can still be fooled. I am living in my true gender and have been for years, and am working to rebuild my life and complete my transition. I call myself submissive, because this is the role I prefer in my close personal relationships and although I see 'submission as a gift' I know I am not a charity, my submission is important, but it has no value to the wider BDSM community, but only to the Dominant with whom I am forming a relationship.

It is only very recently that I have learned that my submission has no value unless I'm truly prepared to be completely open and honest with my Dominant, to make her aware of my needs and wants and dreams and expectations, to lay myself completely bare and transparent and to offer her that most vulnerable part of me.

But I have held back. Though I only had a service relationship with my Domme in Poland with whom I spent 5 years I loved her. She found me at the end of my time in Poland sleeping on the streets in the snow and the cold and she took me into her tiny one-roomed apartment. I wanted to stay, she wanted this too, but she knew as I did I had to go back. Leaving her broke my heart. 'Accept no less than you deserve,' she said, 'and remember that you deserved me.' She became the standard against which other Dommes were measured.

I sometimes feel as if I have gone full circle.. I've done the whole BDSM thing, the service, the play, the submission, the ropes, the whips, the floggers, the 24/7, the casual play, long term relationships, international relationships, one off meetings, the munches, the parties and so on. Sometimes I see the community, the illusions, the fakes, the liars, the constant labelling, the theorists, and I think I've had enough of all this. But then I stop, and I remember, and then the nostalgia comes, and I stay.

Yes I have been taken in, I've been misjudged, abused, dismissed and written off. But then again not always have I been completely honest with myself, and through this, with other people. I've spent a long time in my life concealing part of myself from other people, I've misled a few people, I've labelled others, pointed fingers and have spent a few times playing the victim. I'm not without fault. I've also spent a long time learning to mistrust people, being suspicious of other people's motives.

I've been taken in a few times, sometimes because I let myself be taken in and other times because I wasn't really being honest with myself to begin with. But I've also given people chances and have been given chances myself, and there are the times when someone has responded in a way I quite didn't expect and I have been forced to change my opinion of them. I have had people being open and friendly, and there have been many times when people have expressed kindness, sympathy, and support even though for them I'm no more than a nick, a profile and a collection of postings. And it's been on a few occasions when I've been so moved or touched that I've sat before this computer screen with tears rolling down my cheeks.  

And I'm one of the lucky ones. I have a Domme. A Domme who's taken the time to look at me and see me for who I really am, who when I struggled to explain what it was I really wanted came back to me and told me what I really need and want in far better words. It's long distance, it's going to take time, effort and both commitment and sacrifice, but she has my mind and everything else and nobody can read me better than she can. But I know not to take anything for granted, but if I take it one day at a time, keep an open mind and listen to what she tells me it should work out fine.

Accepting yourself for who you really are, knowing yourself and being honest with yourself is the basis, along with being able to communicate this to someone else. Without this you can only be submissive on a very superficial level which is only going to frustrate your Dominant and leave you feeling unfulfilled. Most Dominants don't want superficial submission, they want the real thing. And I find this works the other way too.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 1:47:40 PM)

And you might be surprised that dominant women approach dominant men wanting to explore their submissive side...  In fact, why is that such a shame?

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

You would be surprised the Dominant men here that approach Dominant women wanting
to explore their submissive side.




ToysAndTies -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 1:53:56 PM)

Well put;

I think people expect to turn toward kink relationships thinking somehow they are somehow prestructured, a framework already laid out, and a role merely needing to be chosen so that all else may continue as it should.

This isn't a cure.  If a person doesn't heed the warnings or gut feelings about a bad relationship in the nilla world, he can expect much more of the same here.  The same, if not, greater time and effort must be invested into creating a stronger and growing relationship between two or more kink partners, though the discussions and activities may vary.

In the nilla world, not every toad we kiss is royalty.  Expect the same anywhere else.




perfectparadox -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 2:45:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

As a Dom, I also understand that many subs also want to be exploited in mean, uncaring ways because that is something they can’t have with vanilla men and they have the deep desire to be used. That is well and fine, but I also find they eventually have another very ordinary side that needs respect and friendship.

I compartmentalize everything. I use her briefly and in the right situations, but the overlying premise or our relationship is going to be friendly respect that is going to make her feel good about herself. Does this make her more likely to disobey me? No, it is the exact opposite effect. She will do much more to keep the D/s relationship stronger because she feels a compartmentalized submission and, also, finds the warm feelings respect gives to anyone.



I wanted to thank you ExSteel,  your post helped me to clarify my thoughts a great deal. You did a beautiful job of expressing exactly what i seek, something i have been struggling with  a great deal in recent conversations with a new Dom .  I feel much more confident now that i can be clear enough with him that if we do move forward we are on the same page . Seems what i seek isn't such a paradox after all......damn ..now i need a new screen name...




perfectparadox -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 3:02:12 PM)

stella...
I just wanted you to know that i was truly moved by the stroy of your incredible journey .i can't even begin to imagine the courage required to make the choices you have ..or the cost.  You have both my respect and admiration ..




earthycouple -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 4:09:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: agirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDominic

If I have a question in all of this it would have to be, how is a Submissive who aches to serve keep their head about them and not be unsub like, even if that unsub like is only in their heads.


One of the best pieces of advice I can offer is to Know Thyself; which goes for any form of relationship and life in general. The more you understand yourself, what your wants really are, what your needs really are. Really getting to know who you are will enable you to make a much more clear picture of what kind of person will best suit you.

Secondly, don't rush into anything. When you meet someone, and it really seems to click, too many blindly accept the person on a superficial level, focusing rather on the excitement of the moment. Take some time to know each other. See that words and actions align. While I think MadRabbit's idea of keeping it vanilla for a few months is extreme, he does have the right idea.

Thirdly, communication is important; several have said that. More importantly though is how you communicate. How comfortable are you and your partner saying the hard things to each other? The fun, easy stuff doesn't tell you anything. I had to teach my slave that she could truly tell me anything and trust that I would not have a negative reaction to it. This was so hard for her, and would be hard for many slaves as they so want approval from their Master, and so fear disappointing him. Honesty is crucial to a successful relationship, in this world or the vanilla one. You can't be honest only when it is easy, you have to be able to be honest when it is hard, and know you won't be belittled for it, or attacked because of it.

There are a lot of very slick people out there of both sexes, and there can be no guarantee that despite your best efforts you won't be bamboozled. With the suggestions I outlined above, you have a much better chance of seeing through the crap.

Namaste, Sir Dominic


I hardly think that *keeping it vanilla for a few months* is extreme.

agirl



A few month is extreme in my opinion...in a few months you could fall in love with the vanilla stuff then when bdsm time comes you don't click at all....how the heck is that helping anything?

You have to find a click on ALL levels to be fulfilled and happy.  Even if that click is "I don't like that my he leaves socks on the floor, but I can accept that" 




VeryMercurial -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/20/2007 4:48:01 PM)

I enjoy having a vanilla relationship prior to BDSM activities.
As a woman, I find that works for me.
I need to feel safe and secure with a sane person, prior to kinky stuff.
At some point, after you get the advice here, you have to make your own decisions.
And deal with the consequences of the decisions that you make.




ready4srvce4all -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/21/2007 1:36:32 AM)

At some point you have to  look back at what went wrong in past relationships, and make sure you don't fall into the same trap.  What clues, signals, words, or actions happened in the past that you are overlooking now?  Someone earlier mentioned making a list, and whether that be mental or written, I couldn't agree more.  I looked back on every past relationship I was in, and analyzed each one separately for how that particular relationship failed.  The ONLY common denominator was me.  That doesn't justify the actions of those who had hurt me before, but to keep running into the same wall was totally my fault.  It took almost ten years of off and on searching on mulitudes of sites before I found the right one for me.  On two occaisions, when I thought I had found my owner, a huge lie was revealed.  I had to carefully consider, is this something I can get past, or does it have a familiar ring to it?  In these instances, I knew if I overlooked those lies, then I would be running right back into that wall again.  I dearly yearned to be part of this lifestyle.  But having the school of hard knocks on my side, I took the correct action, and ended things right there.  I had to consider the possibility of never ever finding the right owner for me.  Someone has a great quote as part of their signature, and I wish I could remember who it is.  Paraphrasing, this person said seek the person, not the collar.  That is how I went about my search.

We all want to find that perfect fit.  Only you know what the boundaries are for what you can and can't accept.  Work within those boundaries, and look for the signs that cropped up in the past.  Never negate who you are, or what you need.  If you can do that, then those rose colored glasses will be nothing more than a yard sale memory.




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/21/2007 1:46:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

Many men are preying on women here.
Some have both Dominant and  submissive profiles.
You would be surprised the Dominant men here that approach Dominant women wanting
to explore their submissive side.


Many women are preying on men here.
Some have both Dominant and submissive profiles.
You would be surprised the Dominant women here that approach Dominant men wanting to explore their submissive side.




agirl -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/21/2007 2:55:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: earthycouple

quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDominic

If I have a question in all of this it would have to be, how is a Submissive who aches to serve keep their head about them and not be unsub like, even if that unsub like is only in their heads.


One of the best pieces of advice I can offer is to Know Thyself; which goes for any form of relationship and life in general. The more you understand yourself, what your wants really are, what your needs really are. Really getting to know who you are will enable you to make a much more clear picture of what kind of person will best suit you.

Secondly, don't rush into anything. When you meet someone, and it really seems to click, too many blindly accept the person on a superficial level, focusing rather on the excitement of the moment. Take some time to know each other. See that words and actions align. While I think MadRabbit's idea of keeping it vanilla for a few months is extreme, he does have the right idea.

Thirdly, communication is important; several have said that. More importantly though is how you communicate. How comfortable are you and your partner saying the hard things to each other? The fun, easy stuff doesn't tell you anything. I had to teach my slave that she could truly tell me anything and trust that I would not have a negative reaction to it. This was so hard for her, and would be hard for many slaves as they so want approval from their Master, and so fear disappointing him. Honesty is crucial to a successful relationship, in this world or the vanilla one. You can't be honest only when it is easy, you have to be able to be honest when it is hard, and know you won't be belittled for it, or attacked because of it.

There are a lot of very slick people out there of both sexes, and there can be no guarantee that despite your best efforts you won't be bamboozled. With the suggestions I outlined above, you have a much better chance of seeing through the crap.

Namaste, Sir Dominic


I hardly think that *keeping it vanilla for a few months* is extreme.

agirl



A few month is extreme in my opinion...in a few months you could fall in love with the vanilla stuff then when bdsm time comes you don't click at all....how the heck is that helping anything?

You have to find a click on ALL levels to be fulfilled and happy.  Even if that click is "I don't like that my he leaves socks on the floor, but I can accept that" 


I don't need bdsm to recognise whether someone is dominant, or suited to me.....that will be there and it will show, with or without bdsm. I don't need to see their box of tricks and props.

Personally, I don't need to *try out* obeying or *try out* bdsm with them, to know whether I would be inspired to, and if I don't respect and like the person as a MAN, then no amount of bdsm is going to alter that.

A few months invested in exporing each other as people, without the FOCUS and thrust being bdsm doesn't seem too difficult to me. Lots of people have problems when they realise they have to take the whole MAN, not just his bdsm...... because when they were looking and *aching*, that's exactly where their focus was.

agirl














slaveish -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/21/2007 5:28:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Quivver

You know Slaveish the one I have in mind at the moment is someone I like as a human.  I have admired him for a very long time. It is just the realization after the fact that his talents are beyond my ability to fathom.  And it's Sad to see that Admiration disolve into Ass Hole status............


We build our own pillars upon which to put others. Mind you, they usually help by climbing up on it. The crash is the hard part, and often inevtible; but hopefully we learn, see patterns in our poor decision-making processes, and do better next time. God knows I've been there enough myself that I could write a book. Be well, Quivver.




slaveish -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/21/2007 5:30:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RandomGAGirl

I think that a lot of us aubs are more naive because we would like to think that the Man or Woman who is our Dom or potential Dom has honor and respects the power they have over us. 


We give them that power. To "see" them for what they are, these abusers, means that WE have allowed them to be what they are. It is a bitter bitter pill to swallow.




juliaoceania -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/21/2007 6:56:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

And you might be surprised that dominant women approach dominant men wanting to explore their submissive side...  In fact, why is that such a shame?

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

You would be surprised the Dominant men here that approach Dominant women wanting
to explore their submissive side.



You know, I was wondering the same thing!




ProlificNeeds -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/21/2007 7:06:27 AM)

A very deep discussion with many relevant aspects to be discussed! I will only address two points that seem to stick out the most.

Being unsub-like: submission is a -gift- you give of your own will. If someone doesn't deserve that gift, don't continue giving it to them, period. As a sub, you should be -expected- to know how to rule yourself, discipline and control yourself and most specifically, to look after yourself. These are all skills, in a relationship or not, I think a good sub should have, because you will not be coddled every minute of every day. Policing yourself against harmful activity, against bad choices and actions, and having enough pride to keep yourself healthy, and most importantly happy, is a mindset one -should- keep even when being Dominated. Guard yourself as you would guard any of His/Her most treasured things, your mind your body and your emotions. Would you present yourself to your Dom/Domme dirtied or rumpled, uncaring of your appearance? No ideally you want to please, you want to give your best effort to please. The kind of Dom/Domme you want to attract, more often than not will appreciate the fact you maintain yourself to be the most pleasing you can be. That means taking care of yourself, in every aspect of life, whenever your chosen Dom/Domme is not there to specifically care for you. Afterall, you have the strength to carry out their wishes even when they are not present, so, continue that, and assume that the Dom you are looking for, would want you to protect yourself, and use thought, wit, and caution. When you do find the one you're looking for, He/She should be most pleased to know you've taken the time, and the thought to shelter the very treasure They want to possess.
You're not a lesser being, and being a sub is no excuse for weakness, in my thoughts, to be a sub you should be strong, controlled, and with immense self-discipline, it is even that much sweeter when you do give it away and turn belly up. Either way you look at it, They should feel empowered that such a confident, strong sub, crumbles before them willingly, and with absolute joy in doing so.


My second point: Vanilla! I hate the term, but I clearly understand it's loose usage to try and set a line. Unfortunately that line varies for so many people and to such degrees, it really isn't something you want to set your guideline by. When starting a new relationship you don't need to develop an adversion to your favorite kinks nor should you jump into the first restraining device you see. Be sensible. TALK about what you are and are not comfortable with, and hell if you're feeling really head shy or have a habit of jumping things too quickly, set timelines and goals. The Dom/Domme should understand your need for such a guideline, and appreciate you want to develop a relationship that will sate both of you more fully than some quick and sloppy encounter.
If you can safely play, without losing your head to emotional haze, then by all means, do so, if you -know- allowing fetishes and kinks into the experience will turn you into a gibbering pile of unthinking mush, then SAY so and ask that you be kept clear of thought until you know you really are ready to invest. While we know They love to turn us into gibbering piles of mush, They should appreciate that we will adore Them even more, if we feel completely safe comfortable, and HAPPY doing it.


Just some morning time thoughts on points that caught my interest.




darkinshadows -> RE: Naive Submissives ... the pit falls of Rose Colored Glasses (5/21/2007 7:10:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

Many men are preying on women here.
Some have both Dominant and  submissive profiles.
You would be surprised the Dominant men here that approach Dominant women wanting
to explore their submissive side.


Many women are preying on men here.
Some have both Dominant and submissive profiles.
You would be surprised the Dominant women here that approach Dominant men wanting to explore their submissive side.

Many people are preying on people here.
Some have both Dominant and submissive profiles.
You would be surprised the submissive men here that approach submissive women wanting
them to explore their dominant side - and visa versa.
[;)]
Peace




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