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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 6:33:40 AM   
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sweetpetie if you stick around long enough you will find that many of the posters use the forums as a way to pontificate from their own pulpit and shove their own value system and ethics down other peoples throats. Very rarely will they even care what the op was about all they need to do is hear a code word like "cheat" and off they go running full speed ahead. i wonder who they are trying to convince more, the general readers of CM or themselves? 

It's a shame these posters seem to stick out like sore thumbs - like bad apples spoiling the whole barrel. There are many people who can stick to the op, give advice that isn't as some say coddling but style it with dignity and class and not feel the need to above all else show the CM world what "real ethics are or the right and proper way to behave is"  i admire these posters and disdain the rest. Good luck herere sweetpetie and one small piece of advice - grow a thick skin if you plan to stick around and haven't already lost interest because of the few who are sour grapes.  

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 6:38:45 AM   
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Well LaT, if no one posted anything interesting this place would dry up.
I often admire people that have the guts to share "real" stories.



i do as well. Who has the right to say what the boards are here for or to put anyone down for using it to post what they have on their minds. Some just love the opportunity to put pthers down - it's that simple.  The ones who never post personal stuff or "their stories" that's their right but i would bet my last dollar they are too afraid they would get treated like they treat others who post their stories or problems.

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 6:54:02 AM   
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i went to a restaurant and they had oysters on the menu!!  i HATE oysters.  i shall never go to that resturant again!

Look, these message boards are going to contain answers, questions, rants and advice we may not like.  It makes as much sense to quit the boards because one doesn't like what's posted as it does to stop going to a restaurant because you don't like everything on the menu.  That people come here for justification or validation is just human.

Also... i see nothing at all wrong with booty calls as long as everyone knows up front that's what the relationship is.  Too many people think that it's cool to walk away the second things get dicey.  There seems to be little committment these days.  To the OP... it's only time to walk away if the relationship provides more sadness than joy. 


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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 6:55:39 AM   
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I agree with what Sweetpetie has said. The woman came here for some emotional support and help making a decision...NOT to be judged or attacked morally like she has been. Of course, that IS going to happen on forums such as these. I doubt that ANY of you that have judged her are PERFECT or have not made poor choices or done things that have hurt others or that you regret in your own lives. I am sure other than the obvious hurt she is feeling, she is already regretting getting involved with a married man in the first place. We can't always help WHO we fall in love with. Maybe she was a "fool" to believe his lies. Haven't most of us been in similar situations with members of the opposite sex? I know that I have. You are correct that she should NEVER have gotten involved with him in the first place...for obvious reasons, but that is all "said and done now." She can't go back and undo what she did. Let's just hope she sees the error of her ways and can move forward from all of this. Of course, the wife was an innocent victim in this and she is being unwittingly involved and potentially hurt as well. I thought the leader of the Moral Majority just passed away...apparently, some of his followers are still "carrying the torch" along right here on Collarme. Just try to remember this, "Let those of you that live in glass houses cast the first stones." I wish the OP much luck and wisdom in her time of need. I wish you well with your decision and keep your chin up!

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 7:22:02 AM   
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sweetpetie if you stick around long enough you will find that many of the posters use the forums as a way to pontificate from their own pulpit and shove their own value system and ethics down other peoples throats. Very rarely will they even care what the op was about all they need to do is hear a code word like "cheat" and off they go running full speed ahead. i wonder who they are trying to convince more, the general readers of CM or themselves? 
It's a shame these posters seem to stick out like sore thumbs - like bad apples spoiling the whole barrel. There are many people who can stick to the op, give advice that isn't as some say coddling but style it with dignity and class and not feel the need to above all else show the CM world what "real ethics are or the right and proper way to behave is"  i admire these posters and disdain the rest. Good luck herere sweetpetie and one small piece of advice - grow a thick skin if you plan to stick around and haven't already lost interest because of the few who are sour grapes.  
Well said, velvet.  i have never and will never post a question on here pouring out my heart and seeking genuine advice.  It's too obvious that when someone does, all too often it becomes nothing more than an attack.  Now, of course, sometimes it doesn't - it appears to be based on whose drama it is.  Some of the same folks who are all too eager to look down their nose at someone else often bring their own form of drama and get "coddled."  It's only those who are new or who appear most vulnerable or who haven't made a bunch of online buddies that get shredded. 
 
As someone said, i guess it should be expected.  Anyone coming here and genuinely expecting sincere answers from most is really deluded.  Contrary to what several posters said, i don't think everything someone brings up is "drama."  There are real people out there who have real issues or have made real mistakes and just need to talk about them.  Being as this lifestyle is something many people can't just talk about with anyone in their lives, perhaps they think coming to a bdsm site would offer them the opportunity to discuss such issues and actually have someone listen and offer some advice.  Maybe, just maybe, they think someone else here has had a similar experience or made a similar mistake and can actually speak about it in a way that helps someone else.
 
Sure, people do some dumb-ass things - i think we ALL have.  The OP knows what she did - she doesn't need an endless litany of people saying "Yeah, you deserved it.  i hope you get all that's coming to you."  Some of those shouting that the loudest have come here themselves with their personal drama of loss.  i don't remember seeing them get kicked in the teeth for it.  One person's sincere dilemma is another's "drama."  Guess it's only "drama" when it's in a stranger's life, not ours.  And karma is all good when it's biting them on the ass and not us.  We ALL "reap what we sow," not just the folks we don't like.
 
i'm not saying what the OP did was good, wise, honorable or anything like that.  She got involved in a situation she should not have.  All the anger and bitterness directed toward her, though, seems to indicate that those showing it may have been in the wife's shoes before.  Perhaps it's residual effects from having been cheated on before?  All this finger-wagging about integrity and standards from the "morality police," as you said, is so typical.  Sometimes it seems as if it's a contest as to who can be the most bitter, cynical, and jaded.  No, you can't come to a public forum like this and expect only gentle, caring words.  But you should be able to expect that adults - who have all made some of their own mistakes - would have enough patience to hear about another's woes and at least try to see that they are human and just need an ear. 
 
Does this mean you have to encourage and support someone in what you feel is unacceptable behavior/choices.  No, of course not.  But tearing into them about how they deserve everything bad they get is a bit much, IMO.  Someone mentioned that the OP is seeking validation.  Maybe so, but since when is seeking validation such a horrible thing?  We ALL do it.  Who wants to be the only person in the world who feels/thinks a certain way?  No matter what our stance, we all want to seek out those who see our point and reassure us we're ok with thinking like we do.  The OP's decision to become involved with a married man, IMO, was a very unwise one.  Treating her like a pariah who is the first (or last) person who has ever done or ever will do so is just a bit too self-righteous for my taste.
 
Velvet - what you wanna bet one of the first responses to this will say something like: "Speaking of self-righteous, isn't that what YOU are being?"....lol....nope, not being self-righteous at all.  i have found myself on both sides of this type of cheating issue.  When i was young and dumb, i found myself in a similar situation to the OP as far as being involved with men with significant others.  Am i proud of that?  No way, but i can't turn back time.  Later on, i found myself in the position of being a wife with a cheating husband.  (Guess i got my kick in the ass from karma?)  So, i've experienced life on both sides of this issue.  i don't feel in any way "self-righteous" - i can simply understand how someone can make a bad choice like this and live to regret it.  i certainly wouldn't have needed someone pointing their finger in my face chiding me and telling me they hope i suffer for my mistakes.
 
So, to the OP:  You said reality has hit you and, since you're asking this hard question about whether to move on, i think you already know the answer.  Getting involved with partners who have significant others who don't know about you is never a good idea.  You deserve better so don't settle for someone who isn't ready to make you more than just a secret, sometime affair.  Just because you made this mistake doesn't make you a horrible person.  Learn from it and don't repeat it.  That's the best you can hope for.  Sincerely, slave luci

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 7:22:38 AM   
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yes i was married for 15 yrs before this. it was a joint decision to split but i know he sees others behind my back and i just find it so hard to admit to myself im being used.How do you find a genuine master who wants just you ? I thought id found him after 6 months but what a fool ive been eh??


I think this part got missed.  I'm wondering which one it is that sees the others behind the OP's back?  The current "master" or the one she was married to for 15 years?
 
Either way, I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a case of someone being naive about the reasons it's not a good idea to get involved with a married man who doesn't have an open/poly relationship with his primary.  Does anyone remember that old expression..... You've made your bed, now lie in it?  That's what happened here, plain and simple.  Yes, it hurts to be used.  That's why most people avoid those situations that have a high potential in this area.  If you went in with blinders on, well, I agree.  Karma is a bitch.
 

 
 

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 7:29:07 AM   
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Well said, Slave Luci. I too agree that some of these people are obviously judgmental as most likely similar things have probably happened to them in the past as well. Perhaps they have been cheated on. Some people just enjoy "kicking others while they are down" as you stated. Yes, "karma is a bitch"...and to those of you that are judging and mistreating others, perhaps you need to take heed of that as well. Maybe one day you are going to be on the "being judged" end of that and you might not like it.

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 7:39:08 AM   
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My current master has taught me well and promised to end his current relationship, but after 6 months im still waiting and have realised it will never change

Yes, I will agree with you there. He has taught you very well. Taught you so well that you are letting him treat you like a piece of shit.
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  I have grown and become strong and my submissive side has even suprised me, my need to submit has gone beyond being satisfied from a few snatched hours when master can sneak away

Really sucks when you have to hide and sneak, doesn't it?
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  I told him the only reason ive hung around waiting for him is that he promised he would end his relationship early on as there was nothing left, but hes still there!


Well....uhh...DUHHHH....what did  you expect?
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  I cannot go on deceiving myself and his partner

sure you can. The fact that you came to a bunch of strangers and asked the million dollar question 'WHAT SHOULD I DO' says that you most certainly can go on deceiving both yourself and the other person who is caught in this little cheating scenario.
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  he says he loves me

Of  course he says that. When he tells you that, you do exactly what he expects you to do. NOTHING.

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 7:43:44 AM   
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Well said, Slave Luci. I too agree that some of these people are obviously judgmental as most likely similar things have probably happened to them in the past as well. Perhaps they have been cheated on
Yes or perhaps even have done a little cheating themselves.  The behaviors/beliefs that make people the angriest at others are often found deep within themselves.  It's easy to attack someone else for doing something you yourself have done (or thought of doing).  It makes you feel bad for having done it or wanting to do it but no one knows you've done it or want to do it sooo.......lash out at others who have done it and have admitted it and thereby kind of vicariously "punish" yourself for the thoughts/actions you're ashamed of in yourself.  Just a thought.....too many psych courses in school, i guess...lol.   

Some people just enjoy "kicking others while they are down" as you stated. Yes, "karma is a bitch"...and to those of you that are judging and mistreating others, perhaps you need to take heed of that as well. Maybe one day you are going to be on the "being judged" end of that and you might not like it
Well, for that to happen they'd have to admit something to be judged/condemned for.  People who relish karma getting others rarely admit anything negative about themselves because they don't want to receive the same self-righteous treatment they dole out (and who can blame them?)...........slave luci


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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 7:48:18 AM   
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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 7:51:58 AM   
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Well said, Slave Luci. I too agree that some of these people are obviously judgmental as most likely similar things have probably happened to them in the past as well. Perhaps they have been cheated on. Some people just enjoy "kicking others while they are down" as you stated. Yes, "karma is a bitch"...and to those of you that are judging and mistreating others, perhaps you need to take heed of that as well. Maybe one day you are going to be on the "being judged" end of that and you might not like it.

M. Diva
You know, she fucked up. As I see it, she deserves to be slapped around like a two bit whore on nickle night. Maybe she'll learn something. I find it ironic though that you and the two cronies are sitting in jugdment of those who are sitting in judgement. Where I come from, thats called being a big, fat hypocrite. Not that I'm judging. LOL

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 7:52:32 AM   
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It's time to walk away when you have to ask yourself if it's time to walk away.

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 7:57:56 AM   
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she deserves to be slapped around like a two bit whore on nickle night.


I didn't read the rest of the thread yet, but that phrase caught my eye. I'm gonna have to steal that and use it one day.

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:01:35 AM   
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I find it ironic though that you and the two cronies are sitting in jugdment of those who are sitting in judgement. Where I come from, thats called being a big, fat hypocrite. Not that I'm judging. LOL
You never fail to totally miss the point everytime you respond to something i write.  So thanks for being consistent anyway.  What did i tell you, Velvet.....he said exactly what i said someone would ("It's sooo "ironic" that i'm judging....lol....).  Did you even READ my post?  i'm not judging anyone or anything.  i am stating my observations and my opinions.  All the posts before - so many of them containing real judgments - and not one comment out of you.  Then i make an observation NOT judging the OP and i'm the one who gets called a judging hypocrite.  Hilarious and so predictable.  Just FYI - i don't have any cronies here - just people i happen to agree with.  i don't need a crowd to agree to believe something like some do.  Why is it that out of all the posters on this thread, the only ones you see as "cronies" are the only 3 who have voiced a dissenting opinion that you happen not to like?  Doesn't make much sense.  You are so desperate to make a rude comment that you see irony and judgment in one of the only posts where none exists.  Try harder and perhaps start by actually reading before you respond, k? ........slave luci 


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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:05:49 AM   
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Well said, Slave Luci. I too agree that some of these people are obviously judgmental as most likely similar things have probably happened to them in the past as well. Perhaps they have been cheated on. Some people just enjoy "kicking others while they are down" as you stated. Yes, "karma is a bitch"...and to those of you that are judging and mistreating others, perhaps you need to take heed of that as well. Maybe one day you are going to be on the "being judged" end of that and you might not like it.

M. Diva
You know, she fucked up. As I see it, she deserves to be slapped around like a two bit whore on nickle night. Maybe she'll learn something. I find it ironic though that you and the two cronies are sitting in jugdment of those who are sitting in judgement. Where I come from, thats called being a big, fat hypocrite. Not that I'm judging. LOL



No, not that YOU are "judging" at all...*rolling eyes* Let's hope you were being "sarcastic" about the "slapping around" part. I don't think that ANY of us are trying to excuse her behavior or say that she wasn't in the wrong when she got involved with him. And I think the "two cronies" made quite valid arguments...of course, that's just my HUMBLE opinion. Perhaps I deserve to be "slapped around" for voicing it? Hmmmm....

M. Diva

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:11:06 AM   
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Well said, Slave Luci. I too agree that some of these people are obviously judgmental as most likely similar things have probably happened to them in the past as well. Perhaps they have been cheated on. Some people just enjoy "kicking others while they are down" as you stated. Yes, "karma is a bitch"...and to those of you that are judging and mistreating others, perhaps you need to take heed of that as well. Maybe one day you are going to be on the "being judged" end of that and you might not like it.

M. Diva
You know, she fucked up. As I see it, she deserves to be slapped around like a two bit whore on nickle night. Maybe she'll learn something. I find it ironic though that you and the two cronies are sitting in jugdment of those who are sitting in judgement. Where I come from, thats called being a big, fat hypocrite. Not that I'm judging. LOL


You have such regard for women it's just such a delight and so enlightening to read your advice.

Do you ever have anything positive to add to a thread or do you get off on degrading women when you get a chance?  Seems to me like you have some serious deep seated issues with women you need to work on.... you're ethics regarding how women should be treated when they "fuck up" is scary.

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:19:12 AM   
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Yes, it is scary to hold a person responsible for their actions and to treat them like adults. Because she is a woman she should be treated differently? LOL, I don't think so.

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:20:47 AM   
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  What did i tell you, Velvet.....he said exactly what i said someone would ("It's sooo "ironic" that i'm judging....lol....).  Did you even READ my post?  i'm not judging anyone or anything.  i am stating my observations and my opinions.  All the posts before - so many of them containing real judgments - and not one comment out of you.  Then i make an observation NOT judging the OP and i'm the one who gets called a judging hypocrite.  Hilarious and so predictable.  Just FYI - i don't have any cronies here - just people i happen to agree with.  i don't need a crowd to agree to believe something like some do.  Why is it that out of all the posters on this thread, the only ones you see as "cronies" are the only 3 who have voiced a dissenting opinion that you happen not to like?  Doesn't make much sense.  You are so desperate to make a rude comment that you see irony and judgment in one of the only posts where none exists.  Try harder and perhaps start by actually reading before you respond, k? ........slave luci 


It's very predictable and it's also getting so old.  There were posters on here who were ultra judgemental - what i call "the morality police" and their whle focus was to shread the op - you can see it happen in so many threads, yet those who dare to speak up and say anything get blasted and told they are judgmental and hypicritical.  THey obviously don't really read the posts or they are so set on putting others down what is said doesn't really sink in - sad for them they live in their tiny little self rightous worlds... they like to spout you  sow what you reap - well they show no compassion and perhaps one day when they most need it they will get condemnation when they need compassion. 

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:23:22 AM   
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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:26:26 AM   
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According to dictionary.com:

crone [krohn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun

a withered, witchlike old woman.


*looking in mirror* Nope...don't think that definition fits me...how about you Velvet? Luci?

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