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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:26:53 AM   
slaveluci


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Status: offline 		GothicDiva,
It's nice to meet you.  Before this morning, we have never spoken nor have i ever even replied to one of your responses.  Geez, if this makes us "cronies," i guess everyone here is my crony. 
 
Velvet (my other "crony"),
Ethics?  Ethics?  He don't need no stinkin' ethics.  He's a DOM and without error....lol....if one were to follow his "theory" through, then isn't he a judgmental hypocrite for judging me for judging them?  Hmmmm......kind of like that thread you started about asking for constructive ideas.  Everyone who had something crappy to say wanted to make out like you were doing the "same thing" you were questioning in others.  i never did quite understand that line of thinking, but hey whatever.  Observing and judging are two different things but, when lacking something insightful to say, the first one who throws out the word "hypocrite" always wins, right?  Well, i'm off to enjoy a day of sales...mmmmm, shoe shopping.......heaven..........have a great one my 2 new cronies........Blessings, luci

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:27:25 AM   
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Yes, it is scary to hold a person responsible for their actions and to treat them like adults. Because she is a woman she should be treated differently? LOL, I don't think so.


i don't know what planet you are from but treating someone like an adult in MY world is NOT smacking them around like a two bit whore in nicle night. i have yet to see you post even one kind thing on these boards you're just a naturally judgemental, negative person, how sad for you.

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:29:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gothicdiva

According to dictionary.com:

crone [krohn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun

a withered, witchlike old woman.


*looking in mirror* Nope...don't think that definition fits me...how about you Velvet? Luci?


LMAO - only in the morning before i have fully woken up and had my first cup of tea lol

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:33:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		SlaveLuci,

Nice to meet you as well...: ) I don't know ANYONE on these forums. I've been reading them for awhile and as of late starting to post more. I don't mind having a differing opinion or even one that is in a "minority." I stand by what I say and I don't have a problem voicing my opinion...EVER. I never have...even as a child...much to the chagrin of my parents...*grin* We are all entitled to our opinions...as we are allowed "free speech" (within collarme moderation, of course..LOL) the last time that I looked. Hopefully, all of this has not scared off the and I truly wish her well with the decisions that she has to make.

Happy Shopping!
M. Diva

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:35:25 AM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		Just a quick thought.......
 
I understand that there are some on the board who are attempting to take the supposed high road in the judgement catagory.  Something I noticed, however, is that some of the subsequent posts have also mentioned what happened in this instance was wrong.  It may be more subtle, but as of yet, nobody is exactly coming up and saying any of these decisions were "right".
 
To say a person has a lack of judgement in some way, when asked a question and posed the circumstances, is almost impossible.  We base judgements on our experiences and our beliefs.  Whether that is based on direct experience (the cheating spouse example) or things we decide are right for us based on our opinions.  It's human nature.  It's how we decide what type of people we chose to have in our lives.  It's a way to character.  Whether anyone decided to feel sorry for the OP because she is hurting from her actions, or saying she got what she deserved for actions, the truth is, in both cases, a judgement was made.
 
We can argue all day about the premise of right and wrong.  I think everyone at this point has already considered the question and made a decision of their opinion one way or another in this instance.  Sorry, but I still say wrong.  From My opinion, it's wrong to lie.  It's wrong to hurt innocent bystanders.  It's wrong not to consider the consequences of actions.  Had the OP considered any of these..... there wouldn't have been an original post to begin with.
 
 Edited to try to get rid of the extra space in the post.
 
 
 

< Message edited by LadyPact -- 5/27/2007 8:56:37 AM >

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:47:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		You make a very valid point LadyPact in that we are all going to have a judgement about what we read, which will stem mostly from our own experiences, ethics, morals, etc and there's nothing wrong with that. It is how it is delivered that i have a problem with, when the only thing a repsponder to the op does is pontificate about "cheating" and saying things like "shame on you" "you should be smacked around like a whore" etc, that's where the problem lies imo.  These people don't have any serious interest in the op, all they want is a pulpit to spout their morality.  If it's that important to them to make the CM readers aware of what you feel about something - make a thread about it and rant away. Why take someone elses thread and use it as a forum to preach and wag your finger at.  The op came for advice, maybe even a kind ear to listen to her and all she got was blasted - how can she walk away having leanred anything more then gee i better just shut my mouth and never post againm - how is that beneficial to anyone? 

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:50:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kind of like what you were doing, velvet? Interesting. And if you're going to quote me at least get it right. It's two-bit whore.

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:55:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Just a quick thought.......
 
I understand that there are some on the board who are attempting to take the supposed high road in the judgement catagory.  Something I noticed, however, is that some of the subsequent posts have also mentioned what happened in this instance was wrong.  It may be more subtle, but as of yet, nobody is exactly coming up and saying any of these decisions were "right".
 
To say a person has a lack of judgement in some way, when asked a question and posed the circumstances, is almost impossible.  We base judgements on our experiences and our beliefs.  Whether that is based on direct experience (the cheating spouse example) or things we decide are right for us based on our opinions.  It's human nature.  It's how we decide what type of people we chose to have in our lives.  It's a way to character.  Whether anyone decided to feel sorry for the OP because she is hurting from her actions, or saying she got what she deserved for actions, the truth is, in both cases, a judgement was made.
 
We can argue all day about the premise of right and wrong.  I think everyone at this point has already considered the question and made a decision of their opinion one way or another in this instance.  Sorry, but I still say wrong.  From My opinion, it's wrong to lie.  It's wrong to hurt innocent bystanders.  It's wrong not to consider the consequences of actions.  Had the OP considered any of these..... there wouldn't have been an original post to begin with.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Lady Pact,

I agree with what you have said. I, for one, agreed that what the OP did was "wrong" based on my personal ethical beliefs, etc. I will never advocate anything other than complete honesty and integrity. That was NEVER the issue with me. However, we have all suffered from a lack of judgment and done things that have hurt others...whether on purpose or unwittingly...and later regretted doing them. It is just a fact of life. I just don't agree with telling someone that they will "get what they deserve." I have been guilty of saying that myself...usually in anger...but it's not really for us to decide. A "higher power" than us will do so when the time comes. Perhaps she is already "suffering" now...and as it appears to me, she is.

Be well,
M. Diva

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 8:56:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Yes, it is scary to hold a person responsible for their actions and to treat them like adults. Because she is a woman she should be treated differently? LOL, I don't think so.


i don't know what planet you are from but treating someone like an adult in MY world is NOT smacking them around like a two bit whore in nicle night. i have yet to see you post even one kind thing on these boards you're just a naturally judgemental, negative person, how sad for you.

I don't know what world you live in, but my world doesn't consist of pink unicorns and flowers. If you screw up you face the consequences. That's a part of being an adult.  If the original poster was seeking support because she felt so bad she had hurt an outside person with what she'd done, hell, I'd give her a hug and a pic of a pink unicorn myself. But that wasn't the case. She was sobbing about herself, with no regards to the non-consensual, non- knowing wife, which was is the only one of that twisted triangle who has the right to selfishly sob how others are cruel to her.

Contrary to what others here claim that since I don't jump on the sympathy wagon with her I must "be soooooo perfect myself" Hell no! I'm not perfect, never will be, never will claim so either. On the other hand I do realize that if I hurt someone (which I have done yes) it brings consequences and I never put my own selfish sobbings above the hurt that I did to the other individual. They have the right to sob, not me.

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 9:01:48 AM   
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The really interesting part in this entire thread..... the OP never once said he had a wife.... "in his current relationship"... were the words i believed she used.  Judge on folks, judge on. 

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 9:07:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: angelic

~fast reply~ to no one in particular.

The really interesting part in this entire thread..... the OP never once said he had a wife.... "in his current relationship"... were the words i believed she used.  Judge on folks, judge on. 


I'm glad someone else noticed that too.... 

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 9:07:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Viridana

quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Yes, it is scary to hold a person responsible for their actions and to treat them like adults. Because she is a woman she should be treated differently? LOL, I don't think so.


i don't know what planet you are from but treating someone like an adult in MY world is NOT smacking them around like a two bit whore in nicle night. i have yet to see you post even one kind thing on these boards you're just a naturally judgemental, negative person, how sad for you.

I don't know what world you live in, but my world doesn't consist of pink unicorns and flowers. If you screw up you face the consequences. That's a part of being an adult.  If the original poster was seeking support because she felt so bad she had hurt an outside person with what she'd done, hell, I'd give her a hug and a pic of a pink unicorn myself. But that wasn't the case. She was sobbing about herself, with no regards to the non-consensual, non- knowing wife, which was is the only one of that twisted triangle who has the right to selfishly sob how others are cruel to her.

Contrary to what others here claim that since I don't jump on the sympathy wagon with her I must "be soooooo perfect myself" Hell no! I'm not perfect, never will be, never will claim so either. On the other hand I do realize that if I hurt someone (which I have done yes) it brings consequences and I never put my own selfish sobbings above the hurt that I did to the other individual. They have the right to sob, not me.



If degrading people by calling them 2 bit whores is your world by all means wallow in it. 

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 9:08:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suggest we all hold hands and sing a chorus or two of "We Shall Overcome."

I'll start if off....

We shall overcome, we shall overcome,
We shall overcome someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We shall overcome someday.

The lord will see us through, the lord will see us through,
The lord will see us through someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We shall overcome someday.

We're on to victory, we're on to victory,
We're on to victory someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We're on to victory someday.

We'll walk hand in hand, we'll walk hand in hand,
We'll walk hand in hand someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We'll walk hand in hand someday.

We are not afraid, we are not afraid,
We are not afraid today;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We are not afraid today.

The truth shall make us free, the truth shall make us free,
The truth shall make us free someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
The truth shall make us free someday.

We shall live in peace, we shall live in peace,
We shall live in peace someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We shall live in peace someday.

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 9:10:23 AM   
Viridana


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ORIGINAL: velvetears

quote:

ORIGINAL: Viridana

quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Yes, it is scary to hold a person responsible for their actions and to treat them like adults. Because she is a woman she should be treated differently? LOL, I don't think so.


i don't know what planet you are from but treating someone like an adult in MY world is NOT smacking them around like a two bit whore in nicle night. i have yet to see you post even one kind thing on these boards you're just a naturally judgemental, negative person, how sad for you.

I don't know what world you live in, but my world doesn't consist of pink unicorns and flowers. If you screw up you face the consequences. That's a part of being an adult.  If the original poster was seeking support because she felt so bad she had hurt an outside person with what she'd done, hell, I'd give her a hug and a pic of a pink unicorn myself. But that wasn't the case. She was sobbing about herself, with no regards to the non-consensual, non- knowing wife, which was is the only one of that twisted triangle who has the right to selfishly sob how others are cruel to her.

Contrary to what others here claim that since I don't jump on the sympathy wagon with her I must "be soooooo perfect myself" Hell no! I'm not perfect, never will be, never will claim so either. On the other hand I do realize that if I hurt someone (which I have done yes) it brings consequences and I never put my own selfish sobbings above the hurt that I did to the other individual. They have the right to sob, not me.



If degrading people by calling them 2 bit whores is your world by all means wallow in it. 


Did I say that?

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 9:10:25 AM   
velvetears


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ORIGINAL: angelic

~fast reply~ to no one in particular.

The really interesting part in this entire thread..... the OP never once said he had a wife.... "in his current relationship"... were the words i believed she used.  Judge on folks, judge on. 


Excellent observation angelic thanks for pointing it out!

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 9:10:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gothicdiva

I suggest we all hold hands and sing a chorus or two of "We Shall Overcome."

I'll start if off....

We shall overcome, we shall overcome,
We shall overcome someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We shall overcome someday.

The lord will see us through, the lord will see us through,
The lord will see us through someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We shall overcome someday.

We're on to victory, we're on to victory,
We're on to victory someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We're on to victory someday.

We'll walk hand in hand, we'll walk hand in hand,
We'll walk hand in hand someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We'll walk hand in hand someday.

We are not afraid, we are not afraid,
We are not afraid today;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We are not afraid today.

The truth shall make us free, the truth shall make us free,
The truth shall make us free someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
The truth shall make us free someday.

We shall live in peace, we shall live in peace,
We shall live in peace someday;
Oh, deep in my heart, i do believe,
We shall live in peace someday.

hey, if you feel you need to sing to overcome your own shortcomings...by all means...sing away

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 9:12:23 AM   
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~fast reply~ to no one in particular.

The really interesting part in this entire thread..... the OP never once said he had a wife.... "in his current relationship"... were the words i believed she used.  Judge on folks, judge on. 

Does it matter?
The man is taken. Wedding ring, engagement ring, living together or not. How is this less of an offence?

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 9:13:15 AM   
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If degrading people by calling them 2 bit whores is your world by all means wallow in it. 
It's interesting to watch you twist and contort what I really stated in a pathetic attempt to hold your ground, velvet. You get a 10 from me for you bulldogged tenaciousness. But a 1 for reading comprehension. Which quite a few people really seem to be lacking. 

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 9:14:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		To the OP...well strangely enough in this thread you have been slapped and petted..Isn't BDSM grand!.....Tempting

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RE: when to walk away ?? - 5/27/2007 9:15:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

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ORIGINAL: velvetears
If degrading people by calling them 2 bit whores is your world by all means wallow in it. 
It's interesting to watch you twist and contort what I really stated in a pathetic attempt to hold your ground, velvet. You get a 10 from me for you bulldogged tenaciousness. But a 1 for reading comprehension. Which quite a few people really seem to be lacking. 


And you buddy are at the head of that list! You're too intent on spreading your venom you take every opportunity to do so.

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