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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 3:27:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since a good deal of it is virtually the only recorded history they are not that far from the truth, but then one has to get specific as to which parts they consider true, as a general statement without qualifiers any poll like this is sort of funny.... 

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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 3:29:21 PM   
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Since a good deal of it is virtually the only recorded history they are not that far from the truth, but then one has to get specific as to which parts they consider true, as a general statement without qualifiers any poll like this is sort of funny.... 


just to clarify here, as i'm trying to stay out of this one...are you saying that the bible is virtually the only recorded history there is?

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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 3:33:04 PM   
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Later, when you consider the nature of reality, you find that science and religion conflict.  Many, many times, religion's adapted, trying to make these conflicts go away by yielding its own nature- trying to evolve to avoid people realizing it's untrue.  But, in the end, it conflicts with things that have been found scientifically, and is thus anti-scientific.


This paragraph is simply not true. Unless you take the Bible as being literally true.

Just to point out how easy it is to misinterpret scientific truth the definition of a day , in the bit of your post I edited out , is inaccurate.he he he he, Oh yes it is !



I'm sorry, but with me, you're going to have to cite a reason you believe something to be untrue.. just randomly saying it doesn't make it so.

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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 3:37:27 PM   
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I think it is just that since colleges place such high importance in critical thinking, that one is less likely to believe simple fables written in an ancient text as fact.

Studies have shown that correlations do exist in that as a person's education increases, their faith in the bible decreases. However their belief in god does not change much. So although education seems to be an enemy of the bible, it doesn't appear to be an enemy of god. A person with a PhD for example is not very likely to believe the earth was created in 6 days. However someone with only a high school education is much more likely to believe this. Yet, both may believe in the same god. 


Dude!  That was brilliant! 
 
I happen to hold absolutely no value in organized religion.  Wait...strike that.  It's good for the sheep...they need something to follow.
 
But, for many others...the ancient text is FULL of wonderful fables, antidotes and stories that teach.  For those who need that stuff...I say great!  It can be wonderful, supportive stuff.
 
Most of the religious stuff though...for me, Naw.  Reminds me of when my brother and I had warts, as kids.  Did you know they are one of the viruses that will respond to simple belief?  Sure...that's why Grandpa could give a kid a dollar for a wart...and the thing would actually disappear!   My parents knew we wouldn't buy that though...so told us it was a vitamin deficiency and made us drink a spoonful of cod liver oil every night!  Ugg...  but my warts went away; while perhaps too sophisticated for the 'I'll buy it from ya' tactic...the other worked fine. 
 
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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 3:43:56 PM   
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Since a good deal of it is virtually the only recorded history they are not that far from the truth, but then one has to get specific as to which parts they consider true, as a general statement without qualifiers any poll like this is sort of funny.... 


just to clarify here, as i'm trying to stay out of this one...are you saying that the bible is virtually the only recorded history there is?


no not the "one and only".  it depends on what period of time, granted i am not discarding the all the wall writings of various cultures and pictorial recordings but they simply are not as extensive as the bible is.


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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 3:45:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know from personal experience this not to be the case.

I went to Catholic school from fifth to eighth grade.  Most everyone, myself included, believed in God.  Many don't, now.

I believe less people completely lose faith altogether than lose faith in the Bible alone.

Unless, of course, the polls mentioned in cyberdude's response could be cited..

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Some random text in a quote got shoved into this post somehow.. guess it's an error.. editted it out.

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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 3:45:40 PM   
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Actually Philosophy, I'd suggest that the two variants of faith are deliniated by those for whom it IS a one time decision and those who are open to real revisions of their beliefs. People locked into a blind faith position may appear to modify their beliefs but are simply building more sophisticated rationalisations. Also they assume their faith to be universally true and applicable to everyone.

What you are describing as your personal system is scientific in nature. Its results apply only to your own life though and while I might adopt your practices (experiments) and have similar results, I cannot know your experience nor can have guaranteed success. Blind faith, on the other hand, promises equivalent results for all, simply for believing (or not believing for that matter).

By "whim" I mean as a matter of arbitrary choice or as a result of a social environemnt (having religeous parents), not whimsical or inconsequential.


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i think most people accept faith blindly as a result of tradition.


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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 3:47:33 PM   
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Religion that conflicts with science is something I detest.  Religion that operates away from science..


Problems in dodge here.

this assumes science knows all there is to know past present and future.  Some of the greatest things brought into society throughout history have been by extremely religious people.   Science cannot explain everything, hell man you dont even know about things that travel faster than the speed of light!  Not that i want to pick on you here but you see science has told you there is a speed limit and that is utterly false and proven over 100 years yaers ago!  Point being as the song goes "blinded by science".




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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 3:49:34 PM   
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Most religions are inherently derived from the human need for an existance after death. Read Poe's Conqueror Worm. I say "from dust to dust."


to the best of my knowledge the bible is not a religion.


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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 3:50:16 PM   
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Religion that conflicts with science is something I detest.  Religion that operates away from science..


Problems in dodge here.

this assumes science knows all there is to know past present and future.  Some of the greatest things brought into society throughout history have been by extremely religious people.   Science cannot explain everything, hell man you dont even know about things that travel faster than the speed of light!  Not that i want to pick on you here but you see science has told you there is a speed limit and that is utterly false and proven over 100 years yaers ago!  Point being as the song goes "blinded by science".


Two things, Real.

First- how is saying that religion that conflicts with science in any way assuming that I know the past, present, and future?

Second- you think things can travel faster than light now?  =/

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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 4:00:18 PM   
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Later, when you consider the nature of reality, you find that science and religion conflict.  Many, many times, religion's adapted, trying to make these conflicts go away by yielding its own nature- trying to evolve to avoid people realizing it's untrue.  But, in the end, it conflicts with things that have been found scientifically, and is thus anti-scientific.

This paragraph is simply not true. Unless you take the Bible as being literally true.
Just to point out how easy it is to misinterpret scientific truth the definition of a day , in the bit of your post I edited out , is inaccurate.he he he he, Oh yes it is !

I'm sorry, but with me, you're going to have to cite a reason you believe something to be untrue.. just randomly saying it doesn't make it so.


If you meant one revolution of the Earth equals one day, then...deep breaths now....
As it rotates on its own axis the earth rotates in an approximate circle around the Sun. Looking down on the Earth on to the Earth's North Pole you would see  a point on the surface moving left to right at the same time as the Earth moved left around the Sun Phew, therefore for the Sun to be in the same position in the sky at the same time as yesterday ie one day later lol the Earth would have to rotate slightly more than once. That is the reason for the need for leap years.

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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 4:06:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Religious dogma documentation is not the total of the historical record. Non-religious documentation is also available, but religious fanatics, zealots, never read that. There is also a fossil record that is irrefutable.

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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 4:07:33 PM   
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Later, when you consider the nature of reality, you find that science and religion conflict.  Many, many times, religion's adapted, trying to make these conflicts go away by yielding its own nature- trying to evolve to avoid people realizing it's untrue.  But, in the end, it conflicts with things that have been found scientifically, and is thus anti-scientific.

This paragraph is simply not true. Unless you take the Bible as being literally true.
Just to point out how easy it is to misinterpret scientific truth the definition of a day , in the bit of your post I edited out , is inaccurate.he he he he, Oh yes it is !

I'm sorry, but with me, you're going to have to cite a reason you believe something to be untrue.. just randomly saying it doesn't make it so.


If you meant one revolution of the Earth equals one day, then...deep breaths now....
As it rotates on its own axis the earth rotates in an approximate circle around the Sun. Looking down on the Earth on to the Earth's North Pole you would see  a point on the surface moving left to right at the same time as the Earth moved left around the Sun Phew, therefore for the Sun to be in the same position in the sky at the same time as yesterday ie one day later lol the Earth would have to rotate slightly more than once. That is the reason for the need for leap years.


Alright.. this is sort of sad..

A:  None of this makes your point.

B:  This isn't even accurate.. because..

1.  A day is the amount of time it takes for the Earth to rotate once.
2.  A year is the amount of time it takes for the Earth to travel around the sun once.

3.  The Earth rotates about 365.2(4) times per year.
i.  Therefore, by definition, there are about 365 days in a year.
ii.  Since you can't really make ~0.2(4) days as part of a year, since that'll mean New Years will fall at different times each year from the last, people summed it up for every four years (so 4 * ~0.2(4) ~ 0.9(6)), effectively adding the extra parts of a day to every fourth year, making that year one day longer.
iii.  This system isn't perfect.  Somewhere down the road, there's going to have to be a 5-year break between leap years, or other fix.




Edit:  PS-  And none of this actually has to do with faith in any way, shape, or form.  =/

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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 4:19:21 PM   
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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 4:40:59 PM   
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Religion that conflicts with science is something I detest.  Religion that operates away from science..


Problems in dodge here.

this assumes science knows all there is to know past present and future.  Some of the greatest things brought into society throughout history have been by extremely religious people.   Science cannot explain everything, hell man you dont even know about things that travel faster than the speed of light!  Not that i want to pick on you here but you see science has told you there is a speed limit and that is utterly false and proven over 100 years yaers ago!  Point being as the song goes "blinded by science".


Two things, Real.

First- how is saying that religion that conflicts with science in any way assuming that I know the past, present, and future?

Second- you think things can travel faster than light now?  =/


No its assumes that "your" science knows all and is always correct which is what prompted me to remind you about that little speed limit issue LOL

Yes you really should study tesla, you know hertz had to back down to him though they kept hertz as a standard anyway, marconi was not the first one to transmit radio signals so the supremem court took that way from him since he copied teslas patents.

So Science is often wrong or 1/2 right LOL


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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 4:50:24 PM   
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..just what, exactly, makes you think anything can go faster than light?

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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 4:51:47 PM   
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While I'm hesitant to respond to this, curiousity is just begging me to..

..just what, exactly, makes you think anything can go faster than light?


i dont think it i can prove it LOL


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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 4:56:48 PM   
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While I'm hesitant to respond to this, curiousity is just begging me to..

..just what, exactly, makes you think anything can go faster than light?


i dont think it i can prove it LOL



Okay.. so how's it science..?

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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 4:59:40 PM   
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Since a good deal of it is virtually the only recorded history they are not that far from the truth, but then one has to get specific as to which parts they consider true, as a general statement without qualifiers any poll like this is sort of funny.... 


just to clarify here, as i'm trying to stay out of this one...are you saying that the bible is virtually the only recorded history there is?
no not the "one and only".  it depends on what period of time, granted i am not discarding the all the wall writings of various cultures and pictorial recordings but they simply are not as extensive as the bible is.

yes, it does depend upon what period of time, and what you're talking about. written histories are available from extensive roman and greek historians hundreds of years before the "birth of jesus." egyptians writings go back thousands of years, before the old testament was conceived of. archeological finds are still a way of "recording" history, in that they are records created by people which are then discovered. the bible is useful for ancient history of where israel is today.

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RE: One Third of Americans Say Bible is Literally True - 5/25/2007 5:04:27 PM   
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While I'm hesitant to respond to this, curiousity is just begging me to..

..just what, exactly, makes you think anything can go faster than light?


i dont think it i can prove it LOL



Okay.. so how's it science..?




err whats that supposed to mean?  how is it science?


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