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swtnsparkling -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 10:03:18 AM)

Well once again it has been enjoyable.Thank You
My  posting  here is complete. I will continue to read though, I want to see how long it
takes Mod to show up again. lol



juliaoceania -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 10:12:11 AM)

quote:

btw don't bother with the "your not riled up", "couldn't care less what people think"
because that Ridiculous " kneel down and shit in the street" comment shows you are
Have a great day


Don't quit your day job and try to become a paid empathy, you would lose your shirt. I find your posts quite amusing for their flame bait qualities, nothing more.

I am not overly upset about this except in a remote abstract way. The OP generated comments about public behaviors that are inappropriate, and I do find this behavior to be inappropriate more than exposing one's underwear... and this is the behavior I find questionable....

quote:

They were making out, as the man openly massaged her breasts and in between her legs with his hands and fingers.
After awhile, he repeatedly kept on lifting up her shirt to expose her bra.



THAT is the part I thought to be VERY inappropriate from the description.... perhaps you think it is ok, I do not, to each their own opinion. I find people who do things like this where UMs are out and about on a holiday to be tacky, tasteless, and I do not want to know such people...

Edited to add, foreplay with clothes on is still foreplay... nudity to me is not even the issue as I have no problem with naked people. I even took pics of naked people at a peace protest to show my son... they were streaking for peace. Naked does not = foreplay



agirl -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 2:16:14 PM)

It was me that said that I don't worry about pedophiles around my children........... because I don't assume that they lurk around every corner. I go to the park to have a couple of hours of messing around, I don't have a plan in place for all the pedophiles that *might* be there. Good Lord!.
The biggest risk in a park is NOT a pedophile.

I also don't *worry* that  someone with a knife is waiting to yank my rucksack from my back and stab me. Reasonable awareness, not abject fear is how I operate. If I sincerely *worried* about that type of thing I'd never leave the fucking house.

I don't watch my children *like a hawk* ......my ear is cocked in their direction. I am not going to get hot under the collar about the sproggies catching sight of a *groping couple*. It's not going to damage them.....they know people have sex, they know what sex is.

The next thing I'll be told is that it's *awful* that sprogs of 15yrs and 13 yrs understand what bdsm means to people and know what M/s is, and may encorporate.

agirl



 



spanklette -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 2:54:54 PM)

...and I agree with you about the media, but that's some of the disinformation I'm referring to.



spanklette -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 3:25:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


As a mother I have more than once taken my UM to R rated movies that included sexuality... the type of sexuality I thought it appropriate for him to be exposed to. I am far from running and hiding my UM from sex and we talk about those things and joke about them pretty openly. What I do not like is that others take it upon themselves to decide what behavior is acceptable for my son to witness as in foreplay in public, or overt displays of sexuality in a public place designed to titilate as in rubbing erogenous zones. It is the same as someone who is rude in any other way... cursing in public loudly, cutting in line at the store, or flipping people off... it is rude behavior, should not be modeled to UMs in my opinion at a place that is designed for them. I guess you think people should be able to kneel down and shit in the street too? I mean it is a natural function, why not? In fact they do in India, why not here? We have many normative ways of behaving in society. All societies have them.



You make a great point, except, I never said it wasn't rude. Maybe it was rude, but I think criminalizing it is an outlandish response from being overly sensitive (not you in particular). I can't control the world around me or my UM's (well, my niece and nephew), I can only control my response. The world is a harsh place, and blowing something that they might not have noticed way out of proportion would make it even more harsh. If, as an adult, I can't control myself enough to put UM's in my charge in a less "scenic" spot without a lot of drama then I think I would have added to any stress that an UM would get from witnessing something that I thought they shouldn't see.
 
Shitting in the street would be on my list of rude behaviors, but so is someone smacking gum behind me in line at the grocery store. As long as the Blue Guy of Happiness doesn't come and shit on my car, I really don't care what he does. If his actions have criminal consequences, then he'll have to face them.

I just think that the OP's original intent was lost because people seized on the idea of pedophelia. Having not been there, I can't tell you how public or private it was. The scene that you and your son witnessed was tasteless and inappropriate. And, I liked your reaction. Just remove yourself from the situation, altogether.
 
In my opinion, I think most of the OP's post went on in his head. I doubt an UM would have looked twice. I do think that there are things that are inappropriate for an UM to witness, but I'm fairly sure that I probably wouldn't have noticed the couple at all and if I did we would have moved along.
 
Everyone has their own way of parenting, but I think it's a bit naive to think that anyone else is going to be putting someone else's UM on their priority list when in the heat of the moment (that doesn't necessarily mean just sex).
 
I'm sure you're an awesome mom. And, I'm also sure that you and your son are able to be open about sex...that's because you said so.[:)] I'm glad. There are many who aren't.



ELUSIVE1 -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 3:27:55 PM)

for me it really depends on the time and the place...as stated by many others, if children can easily come up and see them, then no way...but I can say that my first Master and I were at a club with a pretty rowdy group...just a club,not a private dungeon or swing club...when he decided in the middle of the dance floor that he was going to 'pants'me...he reached up under my skirt and plulled off my panties (white lace) and wore them in the pocket of his black shirt allnight...it did not go unnoticed, some even applauded him...I was humiliated, and loved every minute of it obviously since I am still sharing the experience



MagiksSlave -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 4:09:45 PM)

OK while I understand the entire thing about unmenchanables and such I dont see why that totaly matters as to me that isnt so much the issue. What about the others that where there?? What about those who dont want to watch or be around that sort of thing. I know it make me uncomfertable and I dont want to have to see it in a place that should be free of that sort of thing. Does me not wanting to see it matter less because Im not an unmentionable.

Magik's slave



MistressSassy66 -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 6:04:16 PM)

Doing this in a private park with no chances of families being around this would be okay...Otherwise I would be a pissed off Mom.Who more than likely being the Royal F*cking Bitch I am,would have found a cop and put an end to that right there.
Now that would have been fun to watch...them getting arrested...I love handcuffs.

A public place should be safe for parents to bring their young ones and not have to worry about people almost having sex right there.



smilingjaguar -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 6:32:34 PM)

I'm with Mistress Sassy on this one.  Watching them get arrested is about the only part of the scenario I would enjoy.  Well, that and what would happen back at the jail here in the bible belt when word got around that they showed their naughty bits in front of ums...



SirStephan55 -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 6:48:00 PM)

I would like to see the law that makes it punishable if you do not report this particular type of act.



ELUSIVE1 -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 6:52:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: smilingjaguar

I'm with Mistress Sassy on this one.  Watching them get arrested is about the only part of the scenario I would enjoy.  Well, that and what would happen back at the jail here in the bible belt when word got around that they showed their naughty bits in front of ums...
not really meaning to point a finger at just you...but I am curious how this thread got turned in the direction of UMS??? the OP didn't mention them, and while we all agree that it is inappropriate in front of the UMs,the op was simply stating he thought it was 'Hot" and asking how any of us felt...I am a Mom, and I didn't look at this as an opportunity to want to jail people that make alternative lifestyle choices...



spanklette -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 6:57:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ELUSIVE1

not really meaning to point a finger at just you...but I am curious how this thread got turned in the direction of UMS??? the OP didn't mention them, and while we all agree that it is inappropriate in front of the UMs,the op was simply stating he thought it was 'Hot" and asking how any of us felt...I am a Mom, and I didn't look at this as an opportunity to want to jail people that make alternative lifestyle choices...


Because it was Memorial Day when the UM's are out of school and they were at a public park. Some people assumed that there would have been UM's within viewing distance or that they might have come into viewing distance (I don't know if that assumption was correct or not, but it's there). That's where the thread turned.
 



ron2421 -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 7:15:40 PM)

Mistress Sassy:
As the guy who started this post, I am going to try to be fair, honest and reasonable with your argument.
You indicate "outdoor bondage" as one of your interests so I take it you participate in this activity, or at least fantasize about it, or have friends who enjoy it. As far as I'm concerned, this would be fine.
Are you aware under obscenity laws in most states, even consensual sadomasochism, definitely including bondage, spanking, whipping etc., whether in public or indoors, is as just as illegal as consensual petting on even clothed private parts, only in public? (I provided a link if you check further up on my posts).
Can you honestly tell me that during those times when you or people you know may have participated in outdoor bondage that it was COMPLETELY impossible that a child or other unsuspecting passerby could not witness the activity with binoculars or through a hole in the fence, etc.?
Yes, I'm sure you are a sensible person and took precautions. You might tell me you were absolutely certain you were out of site of others who did not want to see anything.
But as I repeatedly detailed in my posts, so did this couple in the park! 
I also repeatedly stated there were no children in the area during the 20 minute or so ordeal.
Now let's say a kid or other passerby results in getting the cops over to your outdoor, or EVEN indoor bondage scene. You or the people you know would be the ones hauled off to jail under state obscenity laws just as fast as that frisky couple whom you so despise.
Okay, so maybe my argument here doesn't phase you.
Let's try this one.
Can you honestly tell me that throughout your entire life, either yourself, OR PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSE TO YOU, have not at some point participated in some heavy petting in a public place, whether it be a restaurant, a beach, a school campus or a park, etc. where children could happen upon the scene.
I don't know about you but this was pretty common among the kids and young adults in my high school and college during my youth in the midwest during the 1970's and 1980's. (I'm showing my age). This was true even when children were in the vicinity.
Can you honestly tell me that you would have wanted your close friends or relatives, if not yourself, hauled off to jail for this kind of petting activity?
Here are some other items that have been addressed among the some 160 some posts on this topic.
One girl questioned why a recent thread on NAKED OUTDOOR SEX has not incurred the same amount of wrath as this post on a frisky couple in the park engaging in some petting where no private parts were exposed. 
Accept it or not, many people, in particular within this lifestyle, enjoy kinky activities outdoors and in public places.
I assume this might be like the fact you enjoy outdoor bondage. Accept it or not, most sane people do take precautions to prevent others, especially kids, from witnessing the activities, but it is the thrill of getting caught, however small, that psychologically contributes to the kink.
So you are going to tell me with a straight face anyone who enjoys public bondage, humiliation, flashing, petting, what have you, should automatically be hauled off to jail so you can laugh at them. Remember there's always a chance unsuspecting passerbys will happen upon the scene.
In summary, I say this to you Mistress Sassy, SmilingJaguar and your supporters. Unless you are able to tell me with 100 percent confidence you are completely against any form of outdoor public kinky activities (outside of a BDSM club perhaps), where no matter how many precautions you take there is always that chance of a witnessing child, and unless you can tell me with 100 percent confidence you NEVER had a friend, relative or loved one that either participated in such public activities, especially for purposes of this discussion petting in a park, you better be a little bit more careful about whom you condemn and whom you wish gets hauled off to jail.
There, now I feel like I can finally exit this thread.
Thank you,



ron2421 -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 8:04:40 PM)

Spanklette: "That's where the thread turned," 
That's because people jump to conclusions. They assume what they want to assume without looking at all the facts or without looking deep inside themselves before they start tapping the keyboard.
Thanks



smilingjaguar -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 9:47:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ron2421
In summary, I say this to you Mistress Sassy, SmilingJaguar and your supporters. Unless you are able to tell me with 100 percent confidence you are completely against any form of outdoor public kinky activities (outside of a BDSM club perhaps), where no matter how many precautions you take there is always that chance of a witnessing child,


Some places (such as a public park on a national holiday) have a much bigger chance of exposing oneself to ums as compared to say, the middle of 40-acre private property at 2 a.m.  There are places with much less risk for these activities, so yes I would still report someone in a public park because the risk of ums witnessing is out of this world when compared to larger private properties.

quote:

and unless you can tell me with 100 percent confidence you NEVER had a friend, relative or loved one that either participated in such public activities, especially for purposes of this discussion petting in a park, you better be a little bit more careful about whom you condemn and whom you wish gets hauled off to jail.


If I did have a friend or loved one get busted for sex in a public park that ums frequent, they would no longer be a friend or loved one.  The line is where it is for me.  I don't associate with sex offenders, period. 



spanklette -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 9:54:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: smilingjaguar

If I did have a friend or loved one get busted for sex in a public park that ums frequent, they would no longer be a friend or loved one.  The line is where it is for me.  I don't associate with sex offenders, period. 

 
No one was having sex. It was, at most, heavy petting. I'm not trying to argue with your opinion, just pointing out the OP again. I know, after 9 pages...it's really almost a moot point now. [:)]



smilingjaguar -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 10:13:30 PM)

It started being a general concept of outdoor sex/BDSM play a long time ago rather than frisky behavior limited to the scope of the OP.  I'm with Julia on the foreplay's as good as sex when ums are around, and in my jurisdiction it is just as illegal as actual sex.

People have the right to enjoy it, but in areas where such behavior is (rightfully, imo) illegal, I have every right to pick up the phone to call the cops without guilt.  I realize ron would love for me to fall for his pseudointellectual argument about me being a hypocrit, but it will be a cold day in hell before I feel a bit of guilt for being willing to help the cops put a sex offender behind bars.

I don't know why others being willing to call the cops is such a horrific thing, personally.  He asked a question but didn't like all of the answers he got and has been throwing a tantrum since. Oh well.



MistressSassy66 -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 10:25:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ron2421

Mistress Sassy:
As the guy who started this post, I am going to try to be fair, honest and reasonable with your argument.
You indicate "outdoor bondage" as one of your interests so I take it you participate in this activity, or at least fantasize about it, or have friends who enjoy it. As far as I'm concerned, this would be fine.
I have an area outback of My house which sits on 8 acres of land.
No one can see what is going on.
Are you aware under obscenity laws in most states, even consensual sadomasochism, definitely including bondage, spanking, whipping etc., whether in public or indoors, is as just as illegal as consensual petting on even clothed private parts, only in public? (I provided a link if you check further up on my posts).
Do you live in Maine and know the Laws here?Furthermore My town has laws about it so I'm not doing anything wrong according to the Law here.
Can you honestly tell me that during those times when you or people you know may have participated in outdoor bondage that it was COMPLETELY impossible that a child or other unsuspecting passerby could not witness the activity with binoculars or through a hole in the fence, etc.?
I am completely sure as I only do this at a place where no one can see it.
Perhaps you would like pics of the yard?
Yes, I'm sure you are a sensible person and took precautions. You might tell me you were absolutely certain you were out of site of others who did not want to see anything.
But as I repeatedly detailed in my posts, so did this couple in the park! 
your not serious that they thought no one could see them...in a park on a holiday...ummm okay sure.
I also repeatedly stated there were no children in the area during the 20 minute or so ordeal.
Now let's say a kid or other passerby results in getting the cops over to your outdoor, or EVEN indoor bondage scene. You or the people you know would be the ones hauled off to jail under state obscenity laws just as fast as that frisky couple whom you so despise.
Okay, so maybe my argument here doesn't phase you.
Let's try this one.
Can you honestly tell me that throughout your entire life, either yourself, OR PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSE TO YOU, have not at some point participated in some heavy petting in a public place, whether it be a restaurant, a beach, a school campus or a park, etc. where children could happen upon the scene.
I don't know about you but this was pretty common among the kids and young adults in my high school and college during my youth in the midwest during the 1970's and 1980's. (I'm showing my age). This was true even when children were in the vicinity.
Can you honestly tell me that you would have wanted your close friends or relatives, if not yourself, hauled off to jail for this kind of petting activity?
Here are some other items that have been addressed among the some 160 some posts on this topic.
One girl questioned why a recent thread on NAKED OUTDOOR SEX has not incurred the same amount of wrath as this post on a frisky couple in the park engaging in some petting where no private parts were exposed. 
Accept it or not, many people, in particular within this lifestyle, enjoy kinky activities outdoors and in public places.
I assume this might be like the fact you enjoy outdoor bondage. Accept it or not, most sane people do take precautions to prevent others, especially kids, from witnessing the activities, but it is the thrill of getting caught, however small, that psychologically contributes to the kink.
So you are going to tell me with a straight face anyone who enjoys public bondage, humiliation, flashing, petting, what have you, should automatically be hauled off to jail so you can laugh at them. Remember there's always a chance unsuspecting passerbys will happen upon the scene.
In summary, I say this to you Mistress Sassy, SmilingJaguar and your supporters. Unless you are able to tell me with 100 percent confidence you are completely against any form of outdoor public kinky activities (outside of a BDSM club perhaps), where no matter how many precautions you take there is always that chance of a witnessing child, and unless you can tell me with 100 percent confidence you NEVER had a friend, relative or loved one that either participated in such public activities, especially for purposes of this discussion petting in a park, you better be a little bit more careful about whom you condemn and whom you wish gets hauled off to jail.
There, now I feel like I can finally exit this thread.
Thank you,

I would be here all night on this one.
So let Me just say if I saw it whether UM's where around or not it in My Opinion
is morally wrong.
Perhaps its because I was taught to behave a certain way in public...you know like have respect for others who may not want to see things you described.
 
Oh and BTW...I think they may have gotten in trouble if a cop had seen them.
you mentioned Laws about being undressed in public...he was hiking her shirt
up...so who is the one breaking the law?

Edited to add:
I did a lot of stuff in the past,and if it was illegal and I got caught ...Well
I got what I deserved, just as the couple would have.
Do the crime do the time is My motto.So if a friend did it I would say well what did you expect.



MistressSassy66 -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/1/2007 11:07:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl

It was me that said that I don't worry about pedophiles around my children........... because I don't assume that they lurk around every corner. I go to the park to have a couple of hours of messing around, I don't have a plan in place for all the pedophiles that *might* be there. Good Lord!.
The biggest risk in a park is NOT a pedophile.

I also don't *worry* that  someone with a knife is waiting to yank my rucksack from my back and stab me. Reasonable awareness, not abject fear is how I operate. If I sincerely *worried* about that type of thing I'd never leave the fucking house.

I don't watch my children *like a hawk* ......my ear is cocked in their direction. I am not going to get hot under the collar about the sproggies catching sight of a *groping couple*. It's not going to damage them.....they know people have sex, they know what sex is.

The next thing I'll be told is that it's *awful* that sprogs of 15yrs and 13 yrs understand what bdsm means to people and know what M/s is, and may encorporate.

agirl






I have to disagree with there being no harm in it for UM's..
That may be true for yours but not all people are open about sex.
Seeing the groping and bra could be enough for a kid to have
a misconception of a right time and place.
Are parents to move their blanket to another spot because of lewd behavior?




agirl -> RE: Public undressing of sub females (6/2/2007 2:50:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66

quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl

It was me that said that I don't worry about pedophiles around my children........... because I don't assume that they lurk around every corner. I go to the park to have a couple of hours of messing around, I don't have a plan in place for all the pedophiles that *might* be there. Good Lord!.
The biggest risk in a park is NOT a pedophile.

I also don't *worry* that  someone with a knife is waiting to yank my rucksack from my back and stab me. Reasonable awareness, not abject fear is how I operate. If I sincerely *worried* about that type of thing I'd never leave the fucking house.

I don't watch my children *like a hawk* ......my ear is cocked in their direction. I am not going to get hot under the collar about the sproggies catching sight of a *groping couple*. It's not going to damage them.....they know people have sex, they know what sex is.

The next thing I'll be told is that it's *awful* that sprogs of 15yrs and 13 yrs understand what bdsm means to people and know what M/s is, and may encorporate.

agirl






I have to disagree with there being no harm in it for UM's..
That may be true for yours but not all people are open about sex.
Seeing the groping and bra could be enough for a kid to have
a misconception of a right time and place.
Are parents to move their blanket to another spot because of lewd behavior?




Well, you're right there; It would be true for mine and yes, I'm very open about sex

I suppose that catching sight of a drunk staggering around the streets, seeing someone spitting,  rowing loudly or swearing is going to lead them to think it's also fine to do all the time or anywhere. That's laughable.

And yes, I would move to another spot if it bothered me that much, just as I would move away from a rowing couple. Perhaps I'm strange but I have a bigger problem with people being horrid and aggressive around the sprogs than catching a glimpse of a couple being a *bit naughty but nice* to each other.

And as was mentioned by the OP.........it would have been a *glimpse*..........

 As an example, they stopped a few times when people walked on the trail near to the bench. And the "flashing" part occurred when no one was on the trail close to them. Accessibility and visibility to the area was extremely limited due to fencing and the trail through the brush.

The idea of *sex offenders* and *calling the cops* for the rather boring, fairly discreet bit of groping that was described, strikes me as a little hysterical.

agirl










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