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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 8:50:55 AM

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I also agree with julia also.

It's pretty clear at this point, that the vast majority do no, or very little, time for the exact same offense.

Paris mugs for the camera ... pretty shamelessly. Lets hammer her with judges and prosecutors, that are doing the exact same thing.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 8:51:59 AM

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We are not addressing the drug/alchol problem in the U.S. It's awful, even in small rural communities. People have their heads buried in the sand. I think it's sad that so potential is ruined and wasted, both users and victims of their acts. Need a dose? Watch a few episodes of Intervention. That show makes my life look awesome.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 8:58:53 AM

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Julia - I like what you've said. Paris should be treated in the same manner any other person with the same offense would be. Nothing preferrential in either a positive or negative way. I just hope she doesn't kill someone with her car while drunk driving. And I would say that of anyone with DUI issues.

I have been impacted by losing a cousin due to drinking and driving, we were the same age... she was 16 when she died in a wreck in which both she and her friend were toasted... her friend was driving... you are preaching to the choir about people with DUIs.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:01:11 AM

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... I think they should make an example of her to the maximum possible extent under the law. Not because she's rich, but because it might send a message to others tempted to drive drunk by way of the publicity it would attract. Hopefully it might also result either in her becoming a better role model or being dropped as a role model by millions of "stupid spoiled whore" wannabes.

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I disagree: legal penalties never send a moral message to anybody - it's very unlikely 'ordinary', non-celebrity people would consider Hilton's punishment and decide as a consequence to change their own actions and behaviour. Reckless behaviour is impulsive and irrespective of reflection or thought, and it's got nothing to do with good or bad examples.

And why should famous people be role models for the rest of us? Who decides on individuals' moral values? For some people, Baby Bush is a role model. Or the Pope. Need I say more :-) ?

I think we are witnessing a blatant case of trial by media: and the media shouldn't be in charge of applying the law.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:01:53 AM

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I recall no similar response to other celebrity DUIs either.

Paris Hilton is not in the hot water she is in because of a DUI. She is in the hot water she is in because she chose to spit in the face of the court system and act like she thought she was above the law. She chose not to abide by the court ordered, very lenient consequences of her DUI and violate her probation. THAT is what has gotten her into hot water.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:07:30 AM

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I recall no similar response to other celebrity DUIs either.

Paris Hilton is not in the hot water she is in because of a DUI. She is in the hot water she is in because she chose to spit in the face of the court system and act like she thought she was above the law. She chose not to abide by the court ordered, very lenient consequences of her DUI and violate her probation. THAT is what has gotten her into hot water.

Actually she is not unusual in driving on a suspended license, thumbing her nose at the law, and serving no time for it... with millions of people living in the area, there are plenty just like her and they do not have room for them when rapists, murderers, and child molesters need to be housed... I am not saying it is right, but the people of Los Angeles should pony up the cash instead of railing against this sheriff for releasing her early when he has to do the same exact thing on a daily basis with other people.

The way they do it is that anyone with bail under a certain amount is released, or anyone that has under a certain amount of jail time is released... before they ever walk into a cell.. it is just the reality of it.

And I am not for tent cities. If we can't house em, then we need to build more cells.... that is how I feel as a taxpayer in this state...

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:12:11 AM

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I disagree: legal penalties never send a moral message to anybody - it's very unlikely 'ordinary', non-celebrity people would consider Hilton's punishment and decide as a consequence to change their own actions and behaviour. Reckless behaviour is impulsive and irrespective of reflection or thought, and it's got nothing to do with good or bad examples.

And why should famous people be role models for the rest of us? Who decides on individuals' moral values? For some people, Baby Bush is a role model. Or the Pope. Need I say more :-) ?

The first paragraph is very interesting to me - it seems to suggest that whether we incarcerate offenders or not, neither they nor others will be deterred by such incarceration from a repeat offence because the offending is reckless, impulsive and absent of reflection or thought.

Given then, the certainty that they will reoffend, the only purpose of incarceration must be to take the offender out of public circulation. Furthermore it means that for the protection so afforded to the public to be maintained, the incarceration must be continuous, without end. To release an offender whose behaviour is unchanged surely constitutes a grave risk?

On the role models thing - no one decides for us who our role models are. The media spews forth images and guff about certain people, and we then pick role models from that spew (or not, as the case may be). The problem with Paris is, that there are more than enough young ladies in the world who emulate her and would like to be like her, because they have taken her as their role model. It would do neither them nor Paris herself any harm whatever, and in fact do good in my opinion for all, for her to be seen to be taken down a peg or two.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:17:30 AM

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Actually she is not unusual in driving on a suspended license, thumbing her nose at the law, and serving no time for it... with millions of people living in the area, there are plenty just like her and they do not have room for them when rapists, murderers, and child molesters need to be housed... I am not saying it is right, but the people of Los Angeles should pony up the cash instead of railing against this sheriff for releasing her early when he has to do the same exact thing on a daily basis with other people.

The way they do it is that anyone with bail under a certain amount is released, or anyone that has under a certain amount of jail time is released... before they ever walk into a cell.. it is just the reality of it.

And I am not for tent cities. If we can't house em, then we need to build more cells.... that is how I feel as a taxpayer in this state...

Such is the price of infamy I suppose, that she would be noticed and picked up.

We have the exact same situation here in the UK. Not enough prisons and not enough cells in those prisons. We had a documentary on TV recently, with paedophiles, armed robbers and murderers being allocated to low security prisons where they could just walk out the door, because there was no room for them where they ought to have been. And they did walk.

Is it that society is more crime ridden? is it that we have more population overall? Is is that we have passed more laws making more criminals? Is it because the police are becoming better at their jobs? Does it matter? We should have the facilities that are needed - even the most minor offences remain offences.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:24:48 AM

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To my mind, the issue here is not whether some little tart is back on the streets. It's about whether there is a segment of society that is so far above the law that they can just thumb their nose at it without accountability. Much of what's on the news today is about people in authority viewing laws as though they were just tepid suggestions. So I think that has increased our outrage. Each of us have had times when the law, our jobs, or our ability to get what we want failed to meet our expectations. I don't think being a rich celebrity heiress should make Paris Hilton immune to that. She's not being treated worse thany anybody else, as Mark Gerragos was saying on Larry King last night. Far from it.

But if being Paris Hilton is a disadvantage just once in her life, I'm fine with that!

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:37:40 AM

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I disagree: legal penalties never send a moral message to anybody - it's very unlikely 'ordinary', non-celebrity people would consider Hilton's punishment and decide as a consequence to change their own actions and behaviour. Reckless behaviour is impulsive and irrespective of reflection or thought, and it's got nothing to do with good or bad examples.

And why should famous people be role models for the rest of us? Who decides on individuals' moral values? For some people, Baby Bush is a role model. Or the Pope. Need I say more :-) ?

The first paragraph is very interesting to me - it seems to suggest that whether we incarcerate offenders or not, neither they nor others will be deterred by such incarceration from a repeat offence because the offending is reckless, impulsive and absent of reflection or thought.

[...]

It would do neither them nor Paris herself any harm whatever, and in fact do good in my opinion for all, for her to be seen to be taken down a peg or two.

E

That's right: the purpose of jail is to protect people that have been sentenced. It is hoped criminals won't reoffend: the likelihood, however, is that they will. Forgive me, for I have forgotten the name, but another poster made the very good point that jail for non-violent crimes is a waste of time, space and public money, and that it's even plain wrong - jails (or prisons, for longer offences) are notoriously known as 'schools of crime'.

As for 'taking Hilton down a peg or two', well, it just shows that Hilton is disliked for the way she is portrayed in the media, and I don't think that's entirely rational. It's your opinion, but does it make right ?

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:38:38 AM

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I wonder what will happen to her today? The judge is insisting she show up for the hearing. It was the sheriff that sent her to home incarceration which pissed the judge off. Now if the judge sends her home again, there has GOT to be payoffs going on. Regardless, I hope the judge spanks the sheriff.

Paris is so oblivious to normal life. I truly believe she has no clue. She appears raised in a vacuum and no coping skills. Prison would do her good.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:39:39 AM

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Arguably, DUI (and flouting a punishment for it, by association) is a potentially violent crime. It deserves jail time.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:43:17 AM

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quote:

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I also think we have a prison population problem here too. I think we coddle these people too much. Put them in tent cities out in the desert. Make them pick strawberries and cut lettuce.

It's good enough for Mexicans., but it's not good enough for prisoners?

Oooo.... wouldn't the food industry drool over that? Even cheaper labor than illegal aliens!

And a good way to see a 1000% increase in incarcerated people too.

Be careful what you wish for.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:47:01 AM

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quote:

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I also think we have a prison population problem here too. I think we coddle these people too much. Put them in tent cities out in the desert. Make them pick strawberries and cut lettuce.

It's good enough for Mexicans., but it's not good enough for prisoners?

Oooo.... wouldn't the food industry drool over that? Even cheaper labor than illegal aliens!

And a good way to see a 1000% increase in incarcerated people too.

Be careful what you wish for.

People who advocate this should research a company called Wackenhut..... they have been trying to privatize in this state for years

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:48:39 AM

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Of course my opinion is right Kittinsol! Whatever gave you the impression that it might be otherwise?

As it happens, I agree that prison should be reserved for the most dangerous offenders. Such a dangerous offender is one who chooses to drive on public roads whilst drunk - twice. A car is the most lethal potential means of killing someone that most of us will ever have possession of, and using a weapon whilst drunk hardly constitutes a minor offence in my opinion. Especially when its done twice.

If the prisons are "schools of crime" (and that is the view here too), then clearly we must reform the way that prisoners are allowed to interact, if we feel that prison is justified at all.

The question arises, should non dangerous offenders not be sent to prison, then what do we do with them exactly, bearing in mind human rights regulations and the inefficacy of "community service" (another school of crime, when they bother to turn up that is, by whatever name it is known in the US? What is the deterrent to me engaging in petty crime, if I am assured beforehand that the worst I might get is a few hours liasing with other petty criminals and establishing relationships for my career, whilst picking up litter?

Paris has sought out and enjoyed her media attention, I'm sure. Its no one else's fault but her own that she now attracts less than favourable reactions in this particular instance. Had she been a nobody, then no one would know a thing about all this, and she likely wouldnt have been caught that second time.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:49:46 AM

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I am not a fan of Miss Hilton's. I think she is somewhat trashy, but I have to say that in California we have significant overcrowding of our jails, as a result people guilty of the same exact offense as hers are often sent right home before serving any time at all, they go to check themselves in and are released, or they serve a couple of days (like Hilton) and then are released. I think that if Californians (being one of them I think I have more of a right to state an opinion on our jail system) want people like Hilton to serve out their sentences, well they should pony up the bucks to build larger jails to house them in.

Now I am not for spoiling Hilton anymore than her parents already have, or giving her special treatment, but at the same time I do not think she should be treated worse than ordinary people either, meaning that if the vast majority get released this quickly from jail for the same offenses, then why not her??? There are more important things to worry about in LA county, like jail overcrowding... My only issue with the sheriff is that he did not release her for the obvious reason she should have been released, they just do not have room to babysit her when more dangerous and important criminals could be kept in that cell, what a waste of space.

Amen!! I don't have any issue with the girl either way. She is part of the ultra rich out here in Southern California. They are spoiled, self indulgent, often obxoxious. You get used to them. Their parents are not much better. She served the average that a non-violent low level criminal serves in L.A. county...maybe more she went to jail!

I don't see why she should serve more time than the average person, and being a rich spoiled bitch isn't a federal offense(in fact out here in parts of Orange County its almost a requirement for residency) anymore than being a jealous and envious one is.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:51:52 AM

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People who advocate this should research a company called Wackenhut..... they have been trying to privatize in this state for years

Wackenhut!? Nooooooo!

Resist. All you can.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:53:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

People who advocate this should research a company called Wackenhut..... they have been trying to privatize in this state for years

Wackenhut!? Nooooooo!

Resist. All you can.

E

...resistence is useless, or at least actionable......and probably punishable by a little field-time, er....i meant, prison-time.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 9:54:05 AM

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No big surprise there.. although I speculate 3 days in jail for Paris Hilton was certainly a wake-up call, if nothing.

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RE: Paris Hilton Released After Just 3 Days in Jail - 6/8/2007 10:11:58 AM

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Edit to add:
I also think we have a prison population problem here too. I think we coddle these people too much. Put them in tent cities out in the desert. Make them pick strawberries and cut lettuce.

It's good enough for Mexicans., but it's not good enough for prisoners?

Then send her to Arizona. Sheriff Joe already offered to put her in Tent City and Summer is around the corner. He's also the only Sheriff that has a female chain gang.

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