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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 3:45:28 AM   
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Keep an eye out for recycled emails.  If they aren't specific to your conversations and interspersed with and specifically answering bits of your own emails... be wary.  Some very savvy types have generic emails that they can tailor to any woman they are communicating with... saves them time and makes them look like they are investing time in you.

In my experience, most conversations start out with sharing a general idea of what it is you are looking for (i.e. playdates, long term relationship, etc.), your philosophies of the lifestyle (i.e. not into poly, not into pain, etc.), and experiences you might have in common here on CollarMe or whatever site it is you meet on.  This would seem to be a safe meeting ground of ideas...

Where things go south is if he wants to steer the conversation right into sexual fantasies and BDSM checklists.  Big red flag... unless you aren’t looking for a long-term relationship.  But even then, if all you want is a playdate, I can’t imagine not wanting to get to know any potential partner a little bit better.  At any rate, the key is to only go where you are comfortable right now.

Concerning the rest of my advice, it’s primarily written from the standpoint of someone seeking a long-term relationship.  That’s what I know.  But it can serve anyone well, depending upon how you want to apply it.

Anyway... a typical and comfortable segue from the general ideas would be to discuss your journeys thus far in the lifestyle... when did you know you were a dominant/submissive?... how did you find out about D/s?... and similar types of questions.  There should be no pressure for soul-bearing at this point; no "tell me of your sexual experience" questions.

A bit of a caveat here... it isn’t always a bad thing to share sexual experiences early on.  If it’s a situation where you are mutually sharing some details of your interests, there might be points where either you or he want to get clarification.  Keep in mind that you are trying to determine if this person is compatible with you... and that will entail sexual and BDSM compatibility.  My caution is to generally avoid a situation where you are being grilled for intimate details of your sexual experiences and fantasies to the exclusion of all other types of conversation.  In the same respect that there is a need to determine sexual and BDSM compatibility, you also need to find out about general life compatibility.

Again, go with what you are comfortable with.

When first conversing make a rule with yourself that any information he asks of you, he should provide the same information for himself, either before asking you or allowing you the opportunity to ask the same from him.  For example, if he asks you about your educational background, he should either automatically tell you what his is, or let you ask him before he pushes the conversation on to the "next question".  If you do ask and he avoids answering, that's a huge red flag.  This should be a conversation, not a one sided interview.

In this give and take, you should also be very aware about the pattern of who asks first.  He shouldn’t always ask for your information first, then provide his... nor should it be the other way around.  You may have to make a conscious effort, but mix it up and take turns.  The reason for doing this is something known as mirroring that you want to avoid.  

Mirroring creates “false” compatibility.  It is very easy in the excitement of meeting someone new to unconsciously “mirror” the other persons wants and desires.  In wanting to please and form a bond, we can find ourselves suddenly wanting something that we’ve never wanted before, simply because the other person expresses the desire and we want the relationship to develop.  Worse yet, we can fool ourselves into twisting our own ideas and experiences to match the other person.

There’s also a danger because of predators who use this technique consciously.  If he manipulates the conversation so that he always has your information first, then he can tailor his answer to “mirror” yours and lure you into thinking you’ve found “Dom Right”.  Just be aware.

If he doesn't seem interested in knowing about you (and NOT just  your sexual fantasies, either), he probably isn't.  If he just sits back and tries to steer you into entertaining him, he probably is just wanting to be entertained for the evening.

Oh, and if he asks you what you are wearing... HUGE RED FLAG.

And for what it's worth, he should be just as interested in you knowing about him, as well.  He may not be comfortable giving out specific personal information at the first (and neither should you), but his real first name, what he does for a living, and his marital/family situation are all pieces of information that you should have by the end of your first conversation.  

If you've shared a photo with him and he hasn't returned the favor within a communication or two, or has made excuses (i.e. "My digital camera is broken" or "In my line of work I have to be very careful"), be very cautious yourself.  Digital cameras can be purchased for less than $20... do you really want to get involved with someone who can't afford $20?  And the "I can't risk being recognized" line is a poor one unless you live in the same town with a population of less than 100.  Heck, there are times when I'd have a hard time recognizing my own children in a crowd.

I could honestly continue on, but this post has become very lengthy as it is.  My general advice is to listen to your “inner voice” or “gut feeling”.  If something doesn’t feel right or make sense, there’s a real reason.  Ask for clarification... ask the same question again at another time but in a different way... look for inconsistencies... and follow your instinct.  

Finally, be very aware and cautious about the phenomenon known as “sub-frenzy”.  If you aren’t familiar with it, you can search for information about it right here on the forums or just ask.


Best of Wishes,

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 4:11:28 AM   
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what is sub frenzy?

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 4:24:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: frustratinggirl

I was wondering , as a new sub, wanted to extract from all those experiences of initially meeting a new possible dominant partner.  What were warning signs to you that you initaially found or ended up finding out, that indicated that the person was unfit for you , as in wrongly malicious, or that they were  in the lifestyle for the wrong reason, or even that it was just a passing kink to them and it really wasnt a natural part of them.
stuff that if your new and you arent tremendously educated about the scene you might dismiss as being "part of the scene" and overlook.



you may already know this or someone could have already stated so, but just as a review when meeting someone new for the first time or untill you feel comfertable with that person meet in an public place away from your home, stay within the public setting while wit the person or persons, keep a cell phone with you have a desinated time when someone (a close friend) calls out to check if your ok, plan ahead have close friends or friends you trust some where near you and a desinated signal that only you and them know just incase something goes sour. when you leave, dont go to your home right off, dont drive your usual route just incase the person may follow you home,

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 4:44:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: solitudesmiles

what is sub frenzy?


You ever go to the store and buy a video game or a book or a movie you have been wanting for awhile?

Ever rush home, blow away all your other concerns and responsibilities, fling off the shoes of the door and run straight to your favorite couch, your mind only fixated on enjoying your newly acquired toy?

Thats sub frenzy...when someone first starts off in BDSM and wants to do EVERYTHING right away with no patience and throw away caution, concerns and responsibilities in their rush for experiences.

Amazingly enough...Doms can have a frenzy too.

Except here in BDSM, we treat it like a full blown mental disease, use it as an excuse to take personal responsibility away from the sub and place it on whatever dom they have found, and use it as a justification for slapping on collars of protection on virgin subs so the dom can play with them under the guise of greater virtue.



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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 4:51:26 AM   
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aww ty, been there done that.

jump in head first only to find the shallow end lol

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 5:27:28 AM   
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You know, people are going to give you a bunch of horse-shit answers that may but most like may not apply to you. You might want to be treated the way he treats the wait-staff, you might not. His inapporpriate reaponse maybe just to make you chuckle abit. My point being is that what are warning signs to some might not be a warning sign for you.

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 7:17:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

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In this give and take, you should also be very aware about the pattern of who asks first.  He shouldn’t always ask for your information first, then provide his... nor should it be the other way around.  You may have to make a conscious effort, but mix it up and take turns.  The reason for doing this is something known as mirroring that you want to avoid.  

Mirroring creates “false” compatibility.  It is very easy in the excitement of meeting someone new to unconsciously “mirror” the other persons wants and desires.  In wanting to please and form a bond, we can find ourselves suddenly wanting something that we’ve never wanted before, simply because the other person expresses the desire and we want the relationship to develop.  Worse yet, we can fool ourselves into twisting our own ideas and experiences to match the other person.



Nooooo I disagree with this. Nothing wrong with sharing and putting your mind into your partners desires. I've met lots of women with kinks and wants far beyond what I'd ever think I'd find acceptable, and just being with them and sharing these desires have expanded my horizons greatly. In fact, every time I really really like a woman I start being curious about her desires, what makes her tick, as applied to myself. But there's not many girls I have grown that close to. But it is in no way a false compatibility.

The only real criteria I have for conversation is how comfortable I am with her. Then there are other criteria for other things, like her company, the sex, her personality, her quirks, etc etc. Maybe not much help but... *shrugs*

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 7:29:33 AM   
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one sure sign is if he picks his nose, farts and belches and has egg on his tie!  on the other hand, if you see those as positive qualities, then  congratulations!

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 8:09:00 AM   
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I would think that if you are meeting a Dom and he shows up wearing cheesy shoes that in lieu of laces there is velcro....It might be a sign to get the Hell out of there.


Or it might be a sign that he has a bad hip and has trouble tying shoe laces.

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 9:04:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: frustratinggirl

I was wondering , as a new sub, wanted to extract from all those experiences of initially meeting a new possible dominant partner.  What were warning signs to you that you initaially found or ended up finding out, that indicated that the person was unfit for you , as in wrongly malicious, or that they were  in the lifestyle for the wrong reason, or even that it was just a passing kink to them and it really wasnt a natural part of them.
stuff that if your new and you arent tremendously educated about the scene you might dismiss as being "part of the scene" and overlook.



Here are a cople of links to an article that you might find helpful.  It's not perfect, by any means, but has a great deal of useful information.

http://www.geocities.com/chained_heart_bdsm/acid_test.html
http://shogun_lord.tripod.com/test.html

It's the smae article/author but you might have an easier time reading one or the other since they are formatted differently.

Hope that helps!
- Geoff

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 5:13:11 PM   
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quote:

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Oh, and if he asks you what you are wearing... HUGE RED FLAG.

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There shouldn't be any need to yell like that (but of course go ahead if that's your kink.)

Just remember, honesty is important too. I think you should only holler this if you are actually wearing a huge red flag.

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 5:30:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: losttreasure
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Keep an eye out for recycled emails.  If they aren't specific to your conversations and interspersed with and specifically answering bits of your own emails... be wary.  Some very savvy types have generic emails that they can tailor to any woman they are communicating with... saves them time and makes them look like they are investing time in you.
LostTreasure


Reminded me of a programme of software made in the 60/70's I believe it is called “Rita” where the programme chatted to online users in chat forums within a university, the user would have no idea they where chatting to a computer they thought they where talking to another person, if they had that then, what do they have now!

Not 100% sure of details, but I am 100% sure of the programme that was written, looked into when with the OU. 

But did not think people would go to such lengths on this site.  The thought did not enter my mind!!

I personally hate emails that have been copied and pasted then adapted for you with your name on it, most of the time, it is their profiles they are sending you, but with a name at the top to make it personal.

With regards to the original question, good luck and be confident, if you feel good about the situation go for it, if you dont, walk away. *wink*


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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 5:56:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

Awww...I love velcro.
It's not usually a good sign if he stirs his coffee with his dick.


It's okay to stir his coffee with his dick, but if he stirs his coffee with his dick and then licks it off, THAT'S rude. 

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 6:14:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Noah
honesty is important too.


May I have a tee shirt to wear with this slogan, please?

Someone, some guy, should have been told honesty is a virtue and not a weakness. Some cat was kind of confused.

Thanks for the reminder, Noah

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 6:38:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EchoingTwilight

Nooooo I disagree with this. Nothing wrong with sharing and putting your mind into your partners desires. I've met lots of women with kinks and wants far beyond what I'd ever think I'd find acceptable, and just being with them and sharing these desires have expanded my horizons greatly. In fact, every time I really really like a woman I start being curious about her desires, what makes her tick, as applied to myself. But there's not many girls I have grown that close to. But it is in no way a false compatibility.


Be that as it may, just how many of those women are you still with?




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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 7:44:15 PM   
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Warning signs:  his relationship history.  ASK QUESTIONS.  If things don't seem to quite add up, they probably dont, and for a reason.  I know I will piss off a lot of people by saying this, but you posted the question, so I feel its legit for me to say that if a person uses any illegal drugs, or alcohol regularly, or if he has a long history of substance abuse, he is not a good bet.  All those years of anasthatizing himself has disabled him from growing and maturing.  I brought my opinion of this up at a local munch a few months ago, and I got hearty agreement.  Intimacy, connection, requires access to all the emotions.

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 8:03:45 PM   
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Taking new relationships slowly, tends to be the best policy for me.
It takes time to get to know someone, in any type of close relationship.

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 8:16:31 PM   
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Hiding certain aspects of their lives or not readily giving you enough information so that you feel comfortable. 

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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 8:24:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Noah

Just remember, honesty is important too.


I've always wondered exactly how a person is supposed to know if the person they are just meeting is being honest...


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RE: New meetings, warning signs in a bad Dominant - 6/15/2007 9:14:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

I've always wondered exactly how a person is supposed to know if the person they are just meeting is being honest...



I can get a pretty good feel of honesty or lack of when I meet someone face to face ... but if you've got an online honesty barometer, please share!!!!

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