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joyinslavery -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 3:12:35 PM)

I thought he was responding to someone else(?). 

Damnit. 




undergroundsea -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 3:19:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn
But what kept me going was that every now and then another submissive at one of these functions would pull me aside and say that she was finding her voice because a few of us were willing to put ourselves out there.


That is a good point. I think that that submissives like you expressed their beliefs, even if these thoughts opposed those of a domme, probably helped grow the phenomenon. I don't think this phenomenon is wrong.

I think the change in demographics and relative ratios is also relevant.

Cheers,

Sea




undergroundsea -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 3:24:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joyinslavery
I thought he was responding to someone else(?). 


You are correct. He did respond to Littlesarbonn. I jumped in because I was also briefly on asfd. So I'm doin the hey how the hell are ya thing ;-)

Cheers,

Sea




undergroundsea -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 3:26:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joyinslavery


Thanks for your kind words :)

Cheers,

Sea




joyinslavery -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 3:32:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

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ORIGINAL: joyinslavery


Thanks for your kind words :)

Cheers,

Sea



You're welcome. 

Even I can acknowledge the obvious (lol). 

Have fun. 




littlesarbonn -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 3:38:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: petdave

*cracks knuckles* Ahh... ten hours of sleep, three Diet Pepsis, a bowl of ice cream... now i'm ready for wordy.

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn
It's amazing how much the Internet has changed in only a short period of time.



Interesting... were you using the same screen name at that time? i remember Teramis (and certainly Akasha), but your name is unfamiliar (i didn't post, but i lurked a LOT in ASB, ASF, and later Alt.Torture).



Yes, my screen name was much different back then. I went by both Duane and Flippery back then. The little sarbonn name came after I wrote a novel about a sorceror named Sarbonn, and it kind of stuck. If you don't remember me, it's not a big deal, but I remember me, and my penguin Joshua has never forgotten me.




pixelslave -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 3:51:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hereyesruponyou

I think we all walk a fine line in attitude, and we all bring our own demons to the table and often misinterpret because of differing life experience rather than any actual attempt at lack of communication on either part. I know people on both sides are frustrated. That's what happens with relationships, bdsm or not. you get frustrated until you find the right person then you are amazed at how awesome it is. unfortunately most people spend much of their lives in the in between stage that leads to frustration, attitude and often despair. It's really quite sad. I do think the world would be better if we could all be nicer to each other...but when is that really gonna happen???


I very much agree with what you've said which I've quoted above.  This thread has only served to once again create a division between Dommes and submissives. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m23.gif[/image]  
 
It seems to me that communication between the two is critical when it comes to helping each other to actually understand what each desires from a relationship with one another so that common ground can be found within the numerous variations that typically exist in this lifestyle.  Continued criticism of each "side" isn't what I'd call productive and helps little toward understanding the other's point of view.  Ditto for labeling one group as not being what they proclaim instead of viewing each person within a group as an individual and then making your own decision on that basis. [&:]
 
I have to say to the OP, that I'm disappointed to see you've started a thread such as this using blanket statements that only serve to paint a dim view of submissives in general.  Without submissives to dominate, where would that leave a Domme?  It seems to me that a Domme can't really live the life she desires without someone willing to submit to her!  I'm especially disappointed to see an unamed number of the submissives who take the time to contribute to this forum disparaged in the OP's post. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m23.gif[/image]  
 
Such things discourage all submissives from posting in this forum where it would seem male submissives and FemDoms have common interests and goals worth working toward, particularly when it comes to undertanding each other better.  Anything which discourages that from occurring would seem counterproductive to the interests of all. [&:]
 
 - pixel




asubmissiveheart -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 5:06:33 PM)

I have witnessed a lot of negative behavior from many submissive men online.
I agree that some men must proclaim their maleness, by typical arrogant and obnoxious behavior.
I would suggest that every man is not comfortable being submissive and can only be
submissive with some women under certain conditions.
If this is the case, and the men don't feel the need to respect or honor women here as a Dominant,
than the women should not respect the men as a submissive.
We end up with just people posting here with equal positions, so why even have a forum?
I try to respect all women, especially Dominant women because that is just how I am wired.
Some men are not wired that way, and for those men I do apologize.




gooddogbenji -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 5:25:28 PM)

Here's my more serious take:

I am submissive.   I have fetishes, but I don't see them as important.  Important is that she is happy.

On this forum, I am here to learn, teach, and have fun, as many are.  I am not here looking for a soul mate, as I have been told many times that I have no soul.

Therefore, I will offer my view on anything I choose, sometimes more caustically than others.  Dommes do this, Doms do this, subs and slaves do this.  It aint D/s, it's d/scussion.  If we asked before we spoke. not much would happen.

So yes, some subs are disrespectful.  Some are bigoted assholes.  And some just see no reason to offer respect to anyone who happens to capitalize their name and tick the "female" box.

Welcome to a world without natural order.

Yours.


benji




undergroundsea -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 5:28:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji
I am not here looking for a soul mate, as I have been told many times that I have no soul.


[:D]




LadyPact -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 6:21:11 PM)

This thread really has taken an interesting turn, Aakasha!  As always, a most excellent original that has the brain waves going.  So many have made interesting points here that I couldn't possibly quote them all.  I would like to say thanks to those who could understand, and even agree, with My early morning babbling.  I'm very happy that the intent was understood in My pre-caffinated morning.
 
For just a moment, I would like to go back to the OP.  I did forget to mention in My earlier post that I am very happy to see that the instances of scams (NOT pro-Dommes) have lessened.  I almost take this as a given.  No one who is legitimate wants to see anyone get swindled.  I completely understand that there is a supply/demand for Pros. However, it is also a case that anyone should protect themselves from fraud.
 
One thing that I would like to comment on that was mentioned by others in their posts is that a lot of this would be different if these discussions were held in a different context.  A public forum is on the lower end of the scale when it comes to interpersonal contact.  I see this evidenced even on the comparrison of 'the other side' of CM.  A private email is almost always of a different tone of what is received on the forums.  I find that, as much as I enjoy the forums, I really enjoy email.  Those of you who correspond with Me on a regular basis probably already know that.
 
Back to My original thought, however.  I will make My best attempt to convey it properly.
 
Recently, I went to a small munch (yes, there is life in Augusta!) of a group here in town.  This was just a very small dinner and My first opportunity to meet some of the people that I had only prior met by email.  Needless to say, the face to face interaction made the event, though very small, worthwhile.  There is much to be said for getting to know people on a better than electronic level.  It gave Me the opportunity to see the real, rather than the on-line persona.
 
I really have very little to say about the way the internet used to be as far as those connected with the lifestyle.  I'm a bit backwards in that, as many of you know.  I still feel it is a great tool to assist those just coming in, who are still lost about who they are and trying to find the answers.  There is more information at the click of a mouse than the first pioneers ever dreamed.  Still, we must use it as a tool and not forgo all of the positive experiences that come to us away from the screen.
 
I almost hate to put it in this simplistic contest, but, the experience with this and other sites like it, is what you make of it.  That's one of the major reasons that some of us avoid the 'train wrecks' or what happens to perfectly good threads when the flame war starts going.
 
 
Edited for a typo that was pointed out to Me.   




gooddogbenji -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 6:25:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
starsts 


Brilliantly stated, but that typo ruined it all.[sm=lol.gif]

Yours,


benji




LadyPact -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 6:30:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
starsts 


Brilliantly stated, but that typo ruined it all.[sm=lol.gif]

Yours,


benji


I'm amazed that was the only one, dear.  After a twelve hour shift, I'm thankful My words didn't come out as hwhofashjfhs fhsoaHOFRW. ghowsahgo.

I'm glad some of what I was trying to express was understood. 




littlesarbonn -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 7:08:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact


I'm amazed that was the only one, dear.  After a twelve hour shift, I'm thankful My words didn't come out as hwhofashjfhs fhsoaHOFRW. ghowsahgo.




As a male Klingon submissive I take offense at your usage of hwofashjfhs fhsoaHOFRW. ghowsahgo. Just because you're dominant doesn't give you the right to use the HOFRW tone with just any submissive Klingon!




LadyPact -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 7:18:43 PM)

On My honor, littlesar, if I ever found anyone with a submissive nature along with the animalistic mating rituals of a Klingon, I would never be seen on these fourms again!




KaramelGoddess -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 8:15:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact


I'm amazed that was the only one, dear.  After a twelve hour shift, I'm thankful My words didn't come out as hwhofashjfhs fhsoaHOFRW. ghowsahgo.




As a male Klingon submissive I take offense at your usage of hwofashjfhs fhsoaHOFRW. ghowsahgo. Just because you're dominant doesn't give you the right to use the HOFRW tone with just any submissive Klingon!



ROFL!!!  Love it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

On My honor, littlesar, if I ever found anyone with a submissive nature along with the animalistic mating rituals of a Klingon, I would never be seen on these fourms again!


Indeed.  I'm so glad I'm not the only one with a Lieutenant Worf fetish.  I'd love to slap the sh** out of him & bonk his brains out!!!
~Kara

Edited because I can't type coherently after midnight and copy and paste is not cooperating!!!!




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 8:43:52 PM)

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 It seems to Me that more often than not on an Ask a Mistress forum, there are submissive men who DAILY try to discredit and demean Dominas, often rudely or with a condescending tone. 
~Kara
[/quote]

i must simply come to the forums more often or start reading each and every
one, because i don't see this "daily" assault on Dommes here. i could be wrong,
but in general, i just don't see such.

Respectfully,

chia* (the pet)




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 8:55:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

I would like to thank all those who contributed with quality posts that have cooled the energy of this thread.

Cheers,

Sea


Yeah, thanks everybody, this thing was just about to explode into a nuclear
mushroom cloud before calmer heads prevailed. i was even considering taking
off my bow tie and spats just to keep things heated, thank God i didn't go
over the edge.

Respectfully,

chia* (the pet) 




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 9:02:29 PM)


[/quote]

This thread has only served to once again create a division between Dommes and submissives. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m23.gif[/image]  
 - pixel

[/quote]

Ah.........What?

Respectfully,

chia* (the pet) 




pixelslave -> RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) (6/16/2007 9:29:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joyinslavery
Does anyone take you seriously anymore? 


Hey there cycling friend, it's time for a ride!  In the mean time, here's a biology lesson for ya! [;)]
 
Do you know what happens when you feed a certain kind of animal hay?  More poop just continues to come out the other end (that particular end happens to coincide with the important part of that 4 legged animal's name).  Have you ever been to a zoo where they post the signs that say "please don't feed the animals"?  Perhaps that's part of the reason why! [8|]
 
 - pixel




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