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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 7:20:24 PM   
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How do we know that they won't take the $50,000, then - take the baby camping?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283834,00.html

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 7:23:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's going to be a shame when they only raise $40,000, "have" to abort the baby, and can't issue refunds. This is, assuming there's a baby, and an actual need for refunds.

Let's be realistic. There are a lot of soft people out there who may donate, but simply don't have the time/willingness to both donate and run through a background check of this "couple".

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 7:25:49 PM   
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http://www.helpmybabylive.com/


How do we know that they won't take the $50,000, then - take the baby camping?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283834,00.html


Because they're good "parents"-to-be. They're only asking for 50k.. I mean, they just want a nice house, and a college fund, for the baby should they let it live..

Seriously. "The baby must have a college fund, and we must have a decent house, or we'll kill it!" They stated that the "situation" they claim to be isn't "exactly tasteful". This is an understatement.

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 7:30:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Part of me can’t help but admire the devious cleverness of it – it’s like that school bus driver on South Park who gets the kids to settle down by putting a gun to a rabbits head and declaring "quiet down or the bunny gets it!" She got the kids to quiet down and these two will get some donations. Still, even though I am pro choice, this definitely leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It basically amounts to a ransom demand – and that’s assuming it’s not a total scam and there really is a kid in the picture. Either way, it demonstrates a cynical, manipulative view on life. I’d feel sorry for any kid raised by them.

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 7:34:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I especially like the part where they say their child won't grow up to rob you - ironic, isn't it?

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 7:34:55 PM   
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You are _giving_ us money, with no expectation of getting anything in return, ever. We are not obligated to do, or refrain from, anything as a result of your or anyone else's donation.

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 7:36:53 PM   
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It's disheartening you would post such a scam, farglebargle.

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 8:00:23 PM   
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It is really easy to rail against poor people that opt for abortions, it requires sacrifice to provide for the offspring some would force them to have...


There are tens of thousands of men and women who would gladly adopt children who may otherwise be aborted,

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:13:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pro Choice or Pro Life? Hmmmmm is there an Anti-choice or a Pro Death camp? Ahhh the abortion thing, which is only a symptom of unwanted pregnancies. If unwanted pregnancies are the cause, how many Pro Lifers are doing something to prevent unwanted pregnancies? Not sure why I wonder these things when they come up because I am definately in the Choice Life Camp.

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:19:31 PM   
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I want pro lifers to start adopting children.  Preferrably black crack babies.  Then I'll believe their rhetoric.

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:23:07 PM   
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I want pro lifers to start adopting children.  Preferrably black crack babies.  Then I'll believe their rhetoric.

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The really sad thing about this, is I've known people who have tried.  But the powers that be decided the baby should not be placed in such a different culture as a white home.  Imagine that - rather than being placed with a family who would love it, it remained in foster care, passed from home to home, all due to pigmentation differences.  It's truly sad, as it's the child who suffers, isn't it?


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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:28:03 PM   
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I want pro lifers to start adopting children.  Preferrably black crack babies.  Then I'll believe their rhetoric.

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The really sad thing about this, is I've known people who have tried.  But the powers that be decided the baby should not be placed in such a different culture as a white home.  Imagine that - rather than being placed with a family who would love it, it remained in foster care, passed from home to home, all due to pigmentation differences.  It's truly sad, as it's the child who suffers, isn't it?




I agree its the child that suffers, I don't agree with that practice though to be honest my impression is that its not something that really happens that often but is more of a fear.  That, coupled with the long waiting period and the number of hoops that anyone wanting to adopt or become a foster parent (of american children, you can buy an overseas baby easier), just adds to the fear of that. 

There are also white meth babies though.

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:31:32 PM   
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http://www.helpmybabylive.com/


I want pro lifers to start adopting children. Preferrably black crack babies. Then I'll believe their rhetoric.


Yeah, and you know what? Fuck those idiots who believe killing 10-year old children for being a finicial burden is wrong! I'm sick and tired of seeing good, working-class parents who get tried for killing their kids after deciding they're too much of a hastle. You should be forced to adopt the children they conceived if you don't believe that they're right to throw them out in the woods alone and give them a chance to fend for themselves!

I love your logic.

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:36:35 PM   
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I agree its the child that suffers, I don't agree with that practice though to be honest my impression is that its not something that really happens that often but is more of a fear.  That, coupled with the long waiting period and the number of hoops that anyone wanting to adopt or become a foster parent (of american children, you can buy an overseas baby easier), just adds to the fear of that. 

There are also white meth babies though.

C~



I worked with someone who had a baby for a year - a loving, caring Jewish family who loved this little African-American boy.  Just a couple months before the adoption was to go through, the child was removed from them because the birthmother decided she was rehabilitated and wanted her baby back - she had changed her mind. 

4 months later the child was removed from her home due to serious abuse, and placed back in the hands of the family who loved him.  Except now he was completely fucked up and now, at the age of 12, still suffers emotional handicaps. 

The next child they adopted was a caucasion girl, through private adoption.  They said they will never, ever, go through that kind of hell again.

And yes, there are white meth babies, but those weren't the ones you were challenging the rhetoric with.  My nephew is a caucasion little boy with severe emotional disabilities, due to his birthmother's issues.  Really, I know something about this stuff.  My other adopted nephew is a hispanic little boy who suffered attachment disorders from being passed through 4 different foster homes by the time he was 3 months old. 

People really do walk the talk.  But you are absolutely correct.  The public adoption system here needs a serious review.  Private adoptions in this country occur much more smoothly, but the waiting lists are long.

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:40:42 PM   
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People really do walk the talk.  But you are absolutely correct.  The public adoption system here needs a serious review.  Private adoptions in this country occur much more smoothly, but the waiting lists are long.


I agree with this, and I also have personal experience with the system - my brother is adopted.

CuriousLord - no crack babies for you!

C~

P.S. - The crack thing is tongue in cheek.  My point is simply that if you (you in a universal sense of the word, not you ownedgirlie) care about the sanctity of life, then it should obviously and naturally include those that already alive who have been discarded and need a chance and assistance from a loving family to have a happy life.  I don't understand how someone can be pro life and absolutely overlook the babies, toddlers, and children who have been left by the wayside.


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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:42:50 PM   
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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:43:44 PM   
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P.S. - The crack thing is tongue in cheek.  My point is simply that if you (you in a universal sense of the word, not you ownedgirlie) care about the sanctity of life, then it should obviously and naturally include those that already alive who have been discarded and need a chance and assistance from a loving family to have a happy life.  I don't understand how someone can be pro life and absolutely overlook the babies, toddlers, and children who have been left by the wayside.



Unfortunately there is hypocracy in all walks of life.  Not all pro-lifers overlook those babies.  But not all don't, either. 

I always enjoy your discussions, Wildfleurs.  :)

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:44:22 PM   
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I would like a crack baby.


No crack babies for you either!

God it feels good to deny.


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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:49:20 PM   
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Unfortunately there is hypocracy in all walks of life.  Not all pro-lifers overlook those babies.  But not all don't, either. 

I always enjoy your discussions, Wildfleurs.  :)


Thanks ownedgirlie!

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RE: Pro-lifers. Put up or Shut up. - 6/18/2007 9:49:48 PM   
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It is really easy to rail against poor people that opt for abortions, it requires sacrifice to provide for the offspring some would force them to have...


There are tens of thousands of men and women who would gladly adopt children who may otherwise be aborted,


Wonderful just world, you can't afford to raise your baby, so give it to some people that waited too long chasing the almighty buck until their plumbing dried up and they became infertile... nice "choice" there...

Don't want your baby aborted, stop having sex dude

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