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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 6:21:42 AM

juliaoceania

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I have not read other responses to this thread.. so if someone made this point before me I guess I will just echo them...

If my dominant had a set of rules that he had contrived before we got together, put them in front of me in black and white and ordered me to follow them, I would feel like I was submitting to that piece of paper instead of him. If all I needed was a piece of paper to submit to life would be a lot easier, because I can write my own list of dos and don'ts. I am perfectly capable of ordering my life, and to be honest, I do not see my Daddy as the sort that would enjoy lists of rules.

Now others have their needs, no judgment on my part about how they function... if it suits them and fills their needs, more power to em... this is just how I feel about it.

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 6:24:28 AM

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I think it is quite marvelous that you have come here to seek our words and thoughts---I believe in an initial set of starter rules--I mean its like getting a room mate expectations are not set and their muddy boots go on your couch--

Both of you need some kind of groundwork to get started---those can always be negotiated, however, if there are no expectation set, how would you begin?

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 6:46:36 AM

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As a Mistress I always had a generic set of rules that were fairly simple. 1. Once you choose to obey, you must obey. The day you choose not to obey you give back your collar 2. Don't call me ma'am - I still call my mother that. 3. And never ever move my cats so you can sit down in their spot.

When My Daddy Master collared me I instantly started wanting to know where my rules were. Where is my structure, my list of dos and don'ts. His response was "Are you dumb?" My response was "no" His next question was "are you 5?" my response was "no" his next question was "do you know right from wrong?" my response was to resist rolling my eyes and respond "yes." And then he said "My alpha slave girl must be intelligent, mature, and able to make decisions for herself. If I wanted an average woman who would have to be told what to do at every waking moment I would have that. Instead I choose you."

He went on to explain to me that rather than rules and punishment, he wanted me to follow a different path. He wanted me to follow the path of Service and Responsibility. It is my responsibility to obey. But it is my pleasure to serve him. Every thing I do must be intelligently planned to serve him. For instance, I know he likes red wine. I know he's tired when he gets home from work. Do I need a list of rules that says "when I get home from work serve wine and rub my feet or I'll beat you with a wet noodle?" No. It is my responsibility as a slave to please him. To meet him at the door wine in hand, take his things, follow him to his chair and remove his shoes is not a rule. Its simply the thing that I should do. Now, if I failed to meet him with his wine or foot rub, he would probably be discontent and irritable and then I would have failed to please. This to me causes me more pain than a thousand lashes. However, he did give me a few rules that are concrete. 1. You belong to me and the day you choose to not obey, you will no longer belong to me. 2. Your duty is to be intelligent, mature, and pleasing. All that you do is with Me in mind. 3. Don't play with sharp knives, don't flog the dog, and don't wear pink. LOL he hates pink!

But, on the subject of rules, consequence is something that I find many Dom/me's seems to have trouble with. Anyone can write a list of rules. Where I find that many people lack commitment is that many Dom/me's become so lax that they forget their own rules, or become too busy, lazy, fill in the blanks to actually punish a submissive when the rules are broken. And so eventually the rules become limp and unimportant. If there is a list of rules, is there also a list of consequence? Are there shades of the rules - for instance, if you have to look beautiful every day - does the slave get punished for having the flu and looking like a herd of buffalo ran over them? Does the Master expect the slave to put her lipstick on while praying to the porcelain god? And one other query. Mostly thinking aloud. I've met many submissives/slaves that love to break rules to get punished. Is there a path of least resistance by not overlimiting a submissive/slave? Is there a way to show respect for their intelligence and the need to submit by acknowledging that "you are intelligent enough to know right from wrong without needing a list."?

Sorry to play devil's advocate. These are the internal monologues that I normally protect the rest of the world from LOL

Lady Scarlet

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 6:59:41 AM

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This is, of course, just a matter of different perspective and not a judgment on how others do things.

As for me, i don't submit to a piece of paper. i submit to my Master, who was forthright and upfront with me, in advance of my becoming His slave, about what was to be expected and required of me, if i were to become His slave. That way, there wouldn't be any "well, i didn't know i was going to have to do that" later on, or my having to guess and learn through trial and error how He liked things done.

Knowing His rules and expectations, in advance, took a great deal of pressure off of me. It made it possible for me to know what i was getting myself into and to be able to honestly decide that i was ready, willing, able, and excited to serve Him in the manner that He wanted and needed.

The piece of paper (email), with His rules and requirements, wasn't something for me to submit to. It was simply a means to communicate them to me and i appreciated that. i don't refer to the piece of paper (except when i'm feeling nostalgic). i know what it is i need to do. i have internalized His needs and wants and His rules are deeply ingrained in my mind all of the time.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I have not read other responses to this thread.. so if someone made this point before me I guess I will just echo them...

If my dominant had a set of rules that he had contrived before we got together, put them in front of me in black and white and ordered me to follow them, I would feel like I was submitting to that piece of paper instead of him. If all I needed was a piece of paper to submit to life would be a lot easier, because I can write my own list of dos and don'ts. I am perfectly capable of ordering my life, and to be honest, I do not see my Daddy as the sort that would enjoy lists of rules.

Now others have their needs, no judgment on my part about how they function... if it suits them and fills their needs, more power to em... this is just how I feel about it.

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 7:15:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LdyScarletDomina

But, on the subject of rules, consequence is something that I find many Dom/me's seems to have trouble with. Anyone can write a list of rules. Where I find that many people lack commitment is that many Dom/me's become so lax that they forget their own rules, or become too busy, lazy, fill in the blanks to actually punish a submissive when the rules are broken. And so eventually the rules become limp and unimportant.

I see this too and this is why my rules and rituals reflect what is truly important to me and what can be lived day to day and what I am willing to enforce.

Sometimes a person will post these long list of rules, you've seen them on here and elsewhere I'm sure. When I see these I can't help but think of three things.

First the rules tend to be on sentence pronouncements -- which I previously mentioned I think cannot reflect the complexity of human life.

Second I have to seriously wonder who memorizes these 100+ lists -- does the dom even memorize them? If the dom can't remember all the rules they shouldn't be rules. Just being able to quote then is not the same as knowing them in my opinion and knowing them, living them, is more important than their mere existance.

Third, they are so picky and specific, running over every tiny thing, that I am hard pressed to imagine either sub or dom having any other time to hold down a job, get groceries or even breath because in order to maintain these rule there must be constant work on both sides.

Interesting dynamic but not one I have any interest in.

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 7:32:25 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LdyScarletDomina
When My Daddy Master collared me I instantly started wanting to know where my rules were. Where is my structure, my list of dos and don'ts. His response was "Are you dumb?" My response was "no" His next question was "are you 5?" my response was "no" his next question was "do you know right from wrong?" my response was to resist rolling my eyes and respond "yes." And then he said "My alpha slave girl must be intelligent, mature, and able to make decisions for herself. If I wanted an average woman who would have to be told what to do at every waking moment I would have that. Instead I choose you."

I find it weird that you had this discussion AFTER collaring you and not before.

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 7:34:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo
Third, they are so picky and specific, running over every tiny thing, that I am hard pressed to imagine either sub or dom having any other time to hold down a job, get groceries or even breath because in order to maintain these rule there must be constant work on both sides.

Interesting dynamic but not one I have any interest in.

I think it really comes down to management style. Not everyone works with every style.

Perhaps one reason I'm not into rules is because I see so many doms who can't figure out the basics and try to cover it up by having rules instead. It never works in the end.

But people like TammyJo who not only clearly have things laid out, who have them practically applied and have some long term success do show that this sort of management style is completely appropriate for some relationships. I bet her slave would wilt and die under me :)

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 7:50:31 AM

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I like rules. I enjoy ritual. I also accept that not everyone else does.

gretchen disliked most ritual, though she thrived when there were expectations. So instead of telling her what she could or could not do, I would tell her what I expected her to do. There were very few specific expectations (like that she would refer to me as Daddy, later Master, or my coffee was to be ready at a certain time, or when I demanded it.) There were a number of broad expectations though; that she would be deferential. That she would love, obey, care for, and be with me (these four conditions had to be met on a daily basis to maintain our relationship in fact.) I taught her that she was to be a beautiful creature for me, and for that to happen she had to be beautiful for herself.

These expectations didn't say what she couldn't do. They said what she must be doing, to continue to be permitted to serve. Somewhere between the expectations, we had lots of time and space to play, laugh and love.

Stephan

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 8:02:48 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo
Third, they are so picky and specific, running over every tiny thing, that I am hard pressed to imagine either sub or dom having any other time to hold down a job, get groceries or even breath because in order to maintain these rule there must be constant work on both sides.

Interesting dynamic but not one I have any interest in.

I think it really comes down to management style. Not everyone works with every style.

Perhaps one reason I'm not into rules is because I see so many doms who can't figure out the basics and try to cover it up by having rules instead. It never works in the end.

But people like TammyJo who not only clearly have things laid out, who have them practically applied and have some long term success do show that this sort of management style is completely appropriate for some relationships. I bet her slave would wilt and die under me :)

More likely he'd just turn totally vanilla or just say "let's be friends".

Or like both Fox and I say: Fox isn't a slave, he's my slave. If we weren't together any more he would certainly bottom to others and maybe submit even but it is entirely possible that he would never become anyone else's slave.

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 9:27:07 AM

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I still would love to see some actual examples of written rules etc. Yall have offered wonderful prose incites and details of how it works for you and I am busily trying to capture your wisdom for when needed - but I can imagine that it would be incredibly useful for both parties to have some examples samples to help jog the mind, and inspire questions or areas that should be discussed. For me this is a newbie thing I suspect. I've not yet experienced a LTR in the lifestyle and I am still exploring and learning my own likes, dislikes and edges so the experiences and questions that other have are a huge source of info for me and help me question myself and anticipate my role as a Domme.

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 10:07:39 AM

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I think you took my post to be a slam on you, it was not. I was merely expressing my feelings about lists of rules, and how I would feel if I was handed such a list. I did not imply that my feelings were a universal, because they obviously aren't.

I have posted many times about intentionally seeking the type of dynamic I have, which included no punishment, someone that was very versatile and unstructured in his approach to his own life (he is not anal, lives life spontaneously, and I love this about him, although it presents challenges at times in submitting). I did not want someone who was into rituals, it would not suit me. I am not into strict and punishing, although there are many who are. I submitted to one that inspired me, you submit to someone that inspired you. Lists inspire you, they leave me cold... just a different flavor.

I do have rules, but they are so few that it was absolutely not necessary for me to have them written down. Our dynamic is custom built, that is the way he wanted it, and I knew this before I even met him.

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 10:27:11 AM

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If you are refering to me I did not take it as a slam at all, in fact was not even responded to you or anyone in particular. Just seeking more resources and tools to help me on my way. I think you may be responding to joy?

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 10:41:41 AM

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I have several laws and am prepared to either back them up or be lenient. The result is entirely up to Me.

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 10:42:52 AM

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In the lower right hand corner there is the name of the person I was responding to, and yes it was slavejoy

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 12:14:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ocilla

I still would love to see some actual examples of written rules etc. Yall have offered wonderful prose incites and details of how it works for you and I am busily trying to capture your wisdom for when needed - but I can imagine that it would be incredibly useful for both parties to have some examples samples to help jog the mind, and inspire questions or areas that should be discussed. For me this is a newbie thing I suspect. I've not yet experienced a LTR in the lifestyle and I am still exploring and learning my own likes, dislikes and edges so the experiences and questions that other have are a huge source of info for me and help me question myself and anticipate my role as a Domme.

This is the sort of thing I would have have done when I've mentored other tops/doms. I am not comfortable doing it for a general audience for the reasons I stated before.

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 3:03:10 PM

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I am somewhat in the middle of the road.

I use slave contracts. Its something that I have put a lot of thought and introspection into and revised quite a lot.

But...I explain it mostly as a set of guidelines as opposed to direct rules.

No one can put enough thought and planning to create a black and white slave contract that will be unaffected by the contigencies life throws at you.

Its basically to give my girl an idea of what will be expected.

If she cant adapt as I grow and change and cant trust me enough without having a peice of paper to cling to like a lawyer, then she is not the idle partner for me.

But even then...its mostly what I want and personal perferences as opposed to a list of rules.

I think anyone who sits down and makes a list of rules BEFORE a relationship and doesnt develop rules that are individually tailored to fit the slave as needed is a fool.

What is the point of making a long list of rules for hypothetical situations that could never be an issue? What does one exclude from this list?

1. Dont wreck my car
2. Dont spill over the mop bucket while cleaning the floor.
3. Wipe your ass after using the bathroom.

I also keep a journal, but have stopped writing in it for the time being. I'm still in the midst of constant paradigmal shift as new knowledge and new experience is constantly redefining that which I call my "style".

Also these forums are a big help. My girl follows my threads and gets insight into different subjects.

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 3:13:31 PM

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LuckyAlbatros (OP please forgive this temporary hijacking of your thread but I wish to clarify why this discussion happened a month after I was collared) Its funny but this is the first time I've talked about this situation on the boards.

My relationship with my Master began in a very unique way. He came into my household as a switch but as a beta house submissive to me. I was involved in a very abusive relationship with a sick jerk calling himself a submissive. I had previously been abused years earlier by another jerk calling himself a Dominant. Anyway, when the stalking and the court stuff was over my self esteem built up over 12 years of being a Dominant was shattered. I was barely able to pull myself out of bed in the morning. My at the time submissive and I had a very long and involved conversation and I accepted him as my dominant so that I could get back on my feet emotionally. I was in fact nearly mentally useless for about a month after the abuser left so the first month of my collar I was nearly emotionally comatose. After Master helped me through meditation and loving guidance (he is a Druid and a healer) I was able to consciously sit down and discuss our relationship's roles. He offered to continue to be my Master as long as I wished it. We then sat down to discuss the rules and expectations behind our new relationship. So yes, I didn't discuss my expectations until after I wore a collar. But had he not taken responsibility for me, I would probably have been committed. He had a great deal of work to do with me.

Now, in the time I've belonged to him I have healed significantly. I used to have panic attacks at the rate of several a day - I haven't had one in over a year. I have gotten back on my feet and emotionally stable, I've learned to use deep breathing and meditation and to believe in my own self worth. In essence, I believe my master saved me. And my ability to love both being a Mistress and a slave.

Ok, now back to our regularly scheduled programing.

Lady Scarlet

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 6:45:04 PM

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Hey OP
As I was digging around I finally got wise to the search function and an=m now going to list a few really useful posts from Lucky Albatross who has been awesome about trying to get the contract discusion connected amoungst all the various threads and for connecting fols with examples and go bys. I am also going to include her thread references for protocols too as they seem to go hand in hand. Yall are so patient with those of us just learning our way around the forums etc. Thanks! And thanks esspecially to LuckyA!

http://www.collarchat.com/m_507069/mpage_1/key_CONTRACTS/tm.htm#507258
contracts

http://www.collarchat.com/m_484623/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#485005
contracts, necessary or not?

http://www.collarchat.com/tm.asp?m=425700&mpage=1&key=contracts&#425768
bdsm contracts

http://www.collarchat.com/m_15441/mpage_1/key_contract/tm.htm#15441
Master/slave contract

http://www.collarchat.com/m_21514/mpage_1/key_contract/tm.htm#21514
CONTRACT

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1001/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#1001
Contracts for servitude the good, the bad, And why is it so different between Masters n Mistresses?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1108/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#1108
Contracts?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_17858/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#17858
Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding slave contracts?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_20389/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#20389
Enforcable "slave" contracts

http://www.collarchat.com/m_22380/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#22380
Contracts (AGAIN *LOL*)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_24502/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#24502
Breaking COntracts

http://www.collarchat.com/m_34466/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#34466
Contracts for sub

http://www.collarchat.com/m_46146/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#46146
Contracts (2)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_82470/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#82470
Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_93072/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#93072
slave contracts

http://www.collarchat.com/m_96407/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#96407
Contracts, again...

http://www.collarchat.com/m_111463/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#111463
written contracts?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_111845/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#111845
The question of written contracts

http://www.collarchat.com/m_162840/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#162840
merging wedding vows and Ds contracts

http://www.collarchat.com/m_212413/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#212413
Contracts (3)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_278323/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#278323
Dom/sub written contracts

http://www.collarchat.com/m_287421/mpage_1/key_contracts/tm.htm#287421
slave contracts, good examples needed

http://www.collarchat.com/m_71935/mpage_1/key_contract/tm.htm#71935
D/s contract

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http://www.collarchat.com/m_579363/mpage_1/key_ritual/tm.htm#579537
Rituals and protocols, which ones do you use?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_512995/mpage_1/key_ritual/tm.htm#513015
Daily Routines

http://www.collarchat.com/m_307839/mpage_1/key_daily%252Croutine/tm.htm#307839
Structure

http://www.collarchat.com/m_99518/mpage_1/key_daily%252Croutine/tm.htm#99518
day to day in the lifestyle

http://www.collarchat.com/m_83995/mpage_1/key_daily%252Croutine/tm.htm#83995
Need help...consistency problems

http://www.collarchat.com/m_45593/mpage_1/key_daily%252Croutine/tm.htm#45593
routine

http://www.collarchat.com/m_504581/mpage_1/key_rituals/tm.htm#504854
Rituals...

http://www.collarchat.com/m_229409/mpage_1/key_ritual/tm.htm#229409
Purpose of ritual and types

http://www.collarchat.com/m_234894/mpage_1/key_ritual/tm.htm#234894
Ritual in anticipation of time together

http://www.collarchat.com/m_242681/mpage_1/key_ritual/tm.htm#242681
rituals, your favorite and why?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_110/mpage_1/key_rituals/tm.htm#110
rituals

http://www.collarchat.com/m_7380/mpage_1/key_rituals/tm.htm#7380
protocols

http://www.collarchat.com/m_48910/mpage_1/key_rituals/tm.htm#48910
special rituals please?!

http://www.collarchat.com/m_97744/mpage_1/key_rituals/tm.htm#97744
rituals (2)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_296210/mpage_1/key_rituals/tm.htm#296210
favorite rituals

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 7:46:24 PM

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i didn't consider anything you wrote to be a slam on me. That's why i began my post with, "This is, of course, just a matter of different perspective and not a judgment on how others do things." Unless something is addressed specifically to me, i don't take it personal. And, even when something is addressed specifically to me, i just take it as someones opinion and that's all, which i feel everyone is entitled to have and to express.

i do like to offer my views, especially when they differ with the views stated by others. i think this helps to show that the "W.I.I.T.W.D." path is not a narrow one. There's plenty of room for many different styles.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I think you took my post to be a slam on you, it was not. I was merely expressing my feelings about lists of rules, and how I would feel if I was handed such a list. I did not imply that my feelings were a universal, because they obviously aren't.

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RE: Are you prepared to lay down the Law or not. - 6/20/2007 8:13:02 PM

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I am very happy to read that... thanks for responding

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