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RE: Law Enforcement and Cynicism - 6/27/2007 10:39:56 PM

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I'm with you dragone, let me say that, right away. Moving on......
I, personally, don't need to be hit with a cat o' 9tails, mack truck or lots of ...laundry pins to know it hurts. I have enough family to play that card as well. I just did my time in a prima donna jd maximum facility that just happens to play on MTV, albeit one year later. Thats my court. I don't need 4 years + to know, for my reasons above. I don't give a rats ass on contraband, we all know that they are partying and its coming in from somewhere.
Momma is transfering it through a kiss, to hiding it in your cell, fermenting fruit in garbage bags.

I'm equally willing to admit its a different mindset, that is why they have special bars set up for "your" type of insanity.

I'm real sorry that CO's aren't appreciated. I'm equally sorry, but, that IS your general public. As a CO you have lots of red tape, and lots of problems. You don't like it, get out.
Cab drivers, people that work at convenience stores, deal with death just the same. Bartenders, etc. CO's get a clue, those that are down with HIV, end up with more food.

Screw civiian shit. I'm a civilian on principle. I know what CO's do and you either do it because or you do it for cash.

I'm sorry, I'm really tired and this chaps my hide. This whole us vs. them mentality. I've probably taken it all out of context.

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RE: Law Enforcement and Cynicism - 6/28/2007 9:45:28 AM

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Hello Geeky....your dad, shot at, that is too bad, that he was in such a position, really, as you said, he could have been killed, and no one appreciates that. Well, here it goes...at least he had a piece to shoot back with; not like a 7-11 clerk who had his stomach blown apart by two robbers, almost cutting him in half; final outcome, he had numberous operations, replaced his stomach with a goats stomach, and denied social sercurity benefits for disability.

Or, how about, a guy, who was going home from work, one night, sitting in the passenger side, his wife driving, he having his new born baby asleep in his lap, his two other kids in the back seat, planning their trip to disneyland, when at a stoplight, two assailients open the door and shoot him in the face, he losing his eye, losing his job, becoming destitute, and being denied SS disability benefits, seeking a pro-bono attorney for recourse.

Your dad, had the resource to fire back, he gets paid, a good salary for the job he does, has benefits, his family would get benefits should it had been worse, good that it wasn't.

I know an LE, retired, his son, was in college, had great grades, a year to go, would have had a fantastic career...he and a friend, on vacation, get a job in a restaurant, one night, the restaurant is robbed, the two kids are locked in the frezzer, and stabbed over 240 times. The LE's son is dead, his friend survives to the door of the ER, and dies. The animals are caught, The LE must appear every so many years for the parole hearings of these two animals. My friend is devasted by this; he tells me, his co-workers, fellow officers, supervisors didn't and couldn't care less.

I'm glad you dad wasn't hurt, or killed in the line of his job; the job he has chosen for his support; the incident, goes with the terrority, and he had the resourses to shoot back. These others.....didn't, and their job description did not include being stabbed to death, shot on the way home from work, nor almost being cut in two.

Stistically....at least a few years ago, one of the top dangerous jobs to have, (job in which you may be killed while doing)....is Night clerk at a convience store; ranked, I believe, number one or two. Construction worker; any rate, police officer was ranked among the very lowest of the ladder.

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RE: Law Enforcement and Cynicism - 6/28/2007 3:26:06 PM

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Perhaps the concept of putting yourself into harm's way in order to help others is inconceivable to you, but not to everyone.

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RE: Law Enforcement and Cynicism - 6/28/2007 5:46:17 PM

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quote:

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I've read too, the Framers believed government and decision making could not be left to the common man, that the common man had neither the intellect to make decisions nor to govern themselves, being the primary reason for how they wrote the piece, and we have a representational government,..... And, to have the common man vote on every decision, would be chaos.

I have read that as well, dragone, although I have read otherwise.

I am from the school of thought which tends to go with the idea that Thomas Jefferson was stopped in an attempt to create a government so completely hamstrung by checks and balances to really function at all. An example of this is that how the government was funded (taxation) was never written in to the Constitution. Makes sense to me that the Framers were rather petrified at the idea that the Government could come and take away what was theirs.

Additionally, in a world lacking mass transit or communications, the only way to make laws in any sort of timely manner was to send representatives from, say, South Carolina to live in Washington D.C., and represent their constituency.

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RE: Law Enforcement and Cynicism - 6/28/2007 8:07:04 PM

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Hi Sinergy,

The Consitiution and Bill of Rights defined the limits on the government. If something is not included, that is not reason to assume that such is prohibited.

Also, on a personal level, I don't think Jefferson was opposed to taxation, per se. See this quote: "Many of the opposition [to the new Federal Constitution] wish to take from Congress the power of internal taxation. Calculation has convinced me that this would be very mischievous." --Thomas Jefferson to William Carmichael, 1788.

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff5.htm

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RE: Law Enforcement and Cynicism - 6/28/2007 9:30:54 PM

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I've got to go along with Alumbrado here. This is the irony missed by many Americans. The common colonial was less free under their new regime than under the British. I guess the belief that the colonists were subjugated by the British and liberated by the new regime just shows the power of propaganda, something the new regime was very good at.

i disagree with all of you and here is why

http://ni4d.us/declarationofindependence.htm

oops here is the rest:

In its Preamble, the Constitution unambiguously records the fact that is "We the People of the United States ...ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Although the Constitution was drafted by a group known as "The Framers", it was "We the People", through the self-enacting features of Article VII, who elected delegates to state conventions for the sole purpose of ratification, and made the Constitution the law of the land.

http://ni4d.us/constitutionality.htm

better to just reference it.

There is a big difference i think nbetween doing the peoples business and ruling. what they are doing is ruling and we did not hire them or authorize them to rule us because we were to st9oopid to rule ourselves. The system is corrupt and we are to stoopid to understand how to get them out.

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RE: Law Enforcement and Cynicism - 6/28/2007 10:37:23 PM

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I guess the first thing I should say is that my grandfather was murdered in the line of duty so I do have a soft spot in my heart for law enforcement officers. In the last couple of years I have dated a couple of cops. Yes I do think they are jaded, but do you realize that most people judge them and dislike them just because of their profession as many of you have done here on this thread. I know that the two men that I dated, one in Tucson AZ, and one in Chicago, and both in my opinion were good cops. They weren't out there looking to harass those they didn't think were the good law abiding citizens. They were doing a job in an effort to keep the lot of us safe. I have met and dealt with rogue cops and I do wonder how they get away with the things they do (the cop that beat the barmaid in Chicago was a regular in the ER I worked in in Chicago). But for the most part I think they are the good guys.

Why is it that we call cops, firemen, and medics when we need help, but many look upon cops as crooked and the firefighters and medics are always the heroes? They all put their lives on the line to protect us, but no matter what cops do, they are still a-holes as many of you have put it. As someone mentioned earlier, there are a few bad apples and they are the ones that get all the press. Did anyone happen to see the story the other day about the cop that convinced a man to jump from his second story window as his house was burning and promised to catch the man... which btw, he did. I doubt many of you heard about it... but everyone has seen the video of the cop that beat the barmaid. Maybe if we got rid of cops you would all feel safer???? For some reason I doubt it.

I have four kids and one was continually harassed by the cops in my area. The other three never had a run in with the police... well guess what? The one that was harassed couldn't seem to stay out of trouble and honestly, he deserved it!! He has finally matured and stays out of trouble and guess what???? They leave him alone now! Do you think that maybe they don't harass him because he isn't comitting petty crimes anymore??? I suspect that's the reason.

My hat is off to those that try to protect us. I offer my graditude for all that you do to protect myself and my family. Thank you for doing what you do :)

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RE: Law Enforcement and Cynicism - 6/29/2007 6:12:48 AM

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Why is it that we call cops, firemen, and medics when we need help, but many look upon cops as crooked and the firefighters and medics are always the heroes? They all put their lives on the line to protect us, but no matter what cops do, they are still a-holes as many of you have put it. As someone mentioned earlier, there are a few bad apples and they are the ones that get all the press. Did anyone happen to see the story the other day about the cop that convinced a man to jump from his second story window as his house was burning and promised to catch the man... which btw, he did. I doubt many of you heard about it... but everyone has seen the video of the cop that beat the barmaid. Maybe if we got rid of cops you would all feel safer???? For some reason I doubt it.

has anyone seen the story about the cop that caught this little 14yo being naughty and blackmailed her into banging him? How about the ones that take bribes? The theft rings?

Usually you do not see that sort of thing with firemen. The cops replaced the militia's that are talked about in the constitution thus is more like a standing military which is unconstutional.

There are 2 sides to that coin and people have good reason to have the opinions thjey do about them.

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RE: Law Enforcement and Cynicism - 6/29/2007 7:49:04 AM

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Where is your rebuttal coming from? Where? Where did I not show empathy to the Father of the Geekygirl, and his situation? Where did it make accusation?

Before you accused, take a read. I said, he chose his job, and that being, to face possible harm. It is IN his chosen JOB DESCRIPTION. He is trained to deal with these situtations, he also has the means, equipment ready at hand to defend himself, whereas, the common citizen has NOT been militarily trained for combat, does NOT have the arms at hand to defend himself/herself, the laws in most states prohibit the citizen from a carry weapon. Most states, in paricular, Michigan, will prosecute a victim for defending themselves bringing either hurt or death to their attacker.

This is the realities of the circumstances as they exist thoughout this country. The LE are paid very well, for the job they have chosen for their lifes endeavour and support, and for the most part, it is an executive position, where everyday manual backbreaking labour for exploitative wage does NOT recieve the praises nor the hype of 'serving a community'. There is no serving a community involved, the LE are the watch dogs of a community, keeping the citizenery in line, keeping the working classes working, they serve, for the most part, the wealthy, and elite of society, and in the interm it may overlap to the ordinary member of society.

To give you another example: A fellow, seeing his neighbor's house being burgalarized, phones the police, reports the orracence. The police come, investigate the scene, take down this fellows report, along with his name and so-on. A fews days later, the police come to this fellow, arrest him. Now, here is the story behind the story; This fellow in his youth had been arrested, convicted, and sentenced for a crime he committed, in another state. He, escaped the facility, and travelled across country, and thereby got lost in society. In the years that followed, he lead an exceplinary life, never even having a traffic violation, built a successful and thriving business, had employees, paticipated in community affairs, was a chuch going family man, with wife, children who lead a very good life, no problems with drugs or anything.

He was extridited to the state from where his offence occurred, and ...........the story was never finished.

This LE father's job description falls within the territory of harm, he is militarily trained, armed to facilitate and protect himself in any situation. It is his normal everyday situation, no more greater than the construction worker, and certainly more greater than the 7-11 clerk.

Get off your superficial high horse and face up to the realities of this society, and life.

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RE: Law Enforcement and Cynicism - 6/29/2007 7:54:21 AM

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Life on your planet? No thanks.

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RE: Law Enforcement and Cynicism - 6/29/2007 11:30:12 AM

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Life on my planet??? what are you? Some extraterestial?? You'll advise us when your spaceship has landed, won't you? My planet, is the very same earth your feet are planted on. The very same society you live within, Life on My PLanet??? LOL, LOL,

Dream on, Dream on.

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