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Aiden -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/19/2008 11:04:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MsStryker  I know we are allowed to ask for a drink, to demand a rub or *gasp* to say no. Everyone must remember sometimes we get carried away and we are so intent on taking care of our submissive, that we forget to, at times, take care of ourselves. It is supposed to be a 2 way street! When we have carried our weight and that of everyone else we have played with for long enough we have the option of deciding what makes it feel fair for us. Sometimes its gifts, could be help with chores, or sometimes cash so we can pay for a professional massage or ohh have enough to get that new corset yumm or those boots mmm. I would also like to have things offered,  I do not like asking for things from people unless its a part of a scene. I am proud and strong, I can take care of myself! I do not need you or your gifts or your money! I want the respect that is due to a Person who has spent years enjoying learning the ropes, honing Her craft. Let alone wanting the respect due me for just being alive and kicking in the world, going at it every day like everyone else, and heaven forbid that I might expect respect for simply being a Dominant Woman!!

I want generous souls near me as I am a generous soul. I give without thinking am a good friend and I offer alot to those near me.. But to those subbies who say they are there to be in service.. think about what kind of service you can actually be! I play with people I trust and like in exchange for mutual fun and caring of each other.
I decided to take a break from the pro work shortly after I was effectively called a whore from a boy who didnt want to pay for online Domination, (but it was ethically ok to be adulterously involved with a slut for free??!! good grief!) I set my boundaries and offered: my friendship, conversation, to answer questions, to be a real person.. but he wanted me to "just" hold his key and thinking that was no big deal, to me it is! I explained my feelings on keyholding, what I felt it demanded. He kept pushing at my boundaries and asking what I wanted him to do and how long I thought he should wear his device and did I want to see it etc. I was firm and reminded him that if he wanted that from me I would require a tribute as that was work to me, others pay for play, for my time. I even offered that perhaps he could send me a gift and keep it on a more friendly thing than just a professional basis since we were saying we were friends. He had continued to say he wanted my friendship and was not looking to ask anything of me I did not want to give. So heres where the messing with a Doms heart goes into play, do you understand yet or are you hard hearted and callus?! Taking on the responsibility of someones sexuality and their health is an important thing if you have respect for the process..



Well said, MsStryker.  What you posted made me reconsider some of my own attitudes towards dominant women and financial tribute. 

First I'd better say that I have a lot of respect for some pro-dommes and this is not an rant or complaint on that subject.  Professional dommes are a large diverse group and as is the case with any large grouping, some are wonderful, and some are horrible.  Its that its easy for people to see things from only their own angle.  Ive read several versions of the standard anti-money domme rant and there are also a lot of people around who go into immediate attack mode if anyone says anything the least critical of them. 

I'm relatively new and had an off-putting experience with a domme who seemed primarily interested in money.  We went out a few times.  Back then I was way too shy to come right out and ask her for anything Ds related.  I had been thinking of bdsm dating as being basically like any other kind of dating, talking and getting to know each other for a while first and see if there is enough mutual interest to go further.  I expected to be the one who did most of the paying when we went out.  We didnt meet online; she was a friend of a friend who was in a local kink circle, so I was only vaguely aware of how common it is for dommes to want financial tribute.  So rightly or wrongly I felt she was over the top talking about what I could give her in tribute in addition.

I hadn't considered some of the things MsStryker pointed out, how many male subs there are attempting to treat dommes as providers of a public service and how many can be just plain cheap about helping with expenses.  Not to mention that it usually falls to the domme to have the place and equipment for scening, at least to provide the majority of it.  Id want to contribute financially to my domina if I had one.  The only thing I still have a problem with is demands for tribute from the start.  If Im going to put myself completely into the hands of another person, its not going to be something that happens immediately.  There  would have to be a deep trust and compatibility in many areas, most of them quite outside the Ds realm.  Id need Her to be interested in me as a person and a sub.  So if we were just dating I would expect to pay for our dates but I wouldnt contribute to Her expenses any more than I would for a vanilla woman.  My two cents worth.

   aiden





Goddess007 -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/19/2008 11:36:08 AM)

well put.  I recently decided to go Pro after several years in the lifestyle.  One day I just woke up and thought, "I can be one of those people who get paid doing what they love!"  I have a handful of subs from before who obviously won't be considered "clients" but who realize that My time is precious and have come up with some creative ways to make Me feel cherished(mostly on their own).  Likewise, I want to form friendships with tributing subs as opposed to saying it's X amount for 10 mins each of this this and this...That would get pretty boring.  And the people I associate with sense that about Me and have no problem offering Me tokens of their appreciation.  Some examples are(in case you find them entertaining are)donating toys, bringing or sending Me things from My wishlists or that I use all the time, cleaning the house/yardwork, painting, bringing Me bags from VS, etc...Today I had a new sub show up with a generous gift and a bag of party favors for My B-Day tomorrow without expectation of playtime.  One of the more ingenious ways any have come up with so far is someone with an affinity for CBT earns a kick in the nuts for each beer he picks up for Me.  I love Me a case of good beer, lol!  No self-respecting Domme wants Her time wasted with wankers, esp those who expect to spend hours chatting and sending lewd video of what can only be satisfying for them.  Sending a gift is one of the most effective ways(IMO), of showing sincerity.  And it works!




Pyrrsefanie -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/19/2008 7:39:27 PM)

I read the title of this post and immediately wanted to say "Because you touch yourself at night."




khem -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/19/2008 7:45:57 PM)

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goddesslisa34 -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/19/2008 7:54:27 PM)

tributes well i need some light here i had sub who was online sub who sent tributes but now since i broke it off he flipping out i guess he ran up credit cards cuzz he was married said he has to do bank rupcey told me he got pulled over told me he told the cop he wanted to kill him self now hes tell me i need to call the cops where he lives




MstrssScarlet -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/19/2008 8:07:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: khem

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roflmao...My feelings exactly!!!!
Mistress Scarlet




LadieSofia -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/23/2008 10:41:32 AM)

Kudos Stella! Very well written. What you have written sums up what I and many Dommes/Mistresses have been thinking for so long. I find that many submissives and slaves on CM use charm to get what they want. Once they aquire their 'own' pleasure they leave and move on to another. I am not a Pro-Domme. But at the same time, I WILL NOT be used. I am causious about asking for tribute. But at the same time, I get tired of wasting my time and energy to those who are seeking their OWN pleasure. Last time I checked, I thought REAL BDSM was all about respect from both parties involved?

LadieSofia [sm=mistress.gif]




LadieSofia -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/23/2008 12:04:05 PM)

My previous reply was in response to this quote from Stella40 dated 6-25-07. Thank you.

LadieSofia [sm=mistress.gif]

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ORIGINAL: stella40

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ORIGINAL: stop352

i have been checking out a lot of the MISTRESSES here but all or most want finnacial tribute. That is something which will come on its own later . why at startup?


Maybe I am using a different version of the Collarme website or maybe I have severe learning difficulties or am functionally illiterate but I wouldn't say most want a financial tribute. And believe me, I have browsed a lot of profiles.

Why at start up?

Possible answers.

1. Many subs approach Dommes on Collarme the same way they approach items found on e-Bay or online shopping. They want a particular type of Domme with particular type of equipment to do particular type of activities on particular days at particular times for the particular experience of the submissive.

2. Many submissives aren't interested in Dommes as people, they are only interested in them as Dommes, there to engage in a scene involving specific activities for the sub's enjoyment. These submissives don't have a need or time for such basic things like respect, manners, friendship, conversation, companionship, etc - they just want to get their jollies and leave.

3. Some submissives have a mental block when it comes to understanding the basic 'give-take' principle of BDSM or D/s.

4. Many Dommes get tired of being a freebie domination service for these types of submissives and some are also tired of not getting anything out of scenes with submissives.

5. Submissives rarely offer their own place for meetings and not often come up with the equipment, but expect the Dommes to not only have all the necessary equipment but also wear the appropriate clothes. This equipment costs money. Why should the Domme have to pay for all the equipment?

6. Some Dommes figure, and quite rightly in my opinion, that if they're going to not get anything out of the meeting or relationship and they're going to be treated like a Pro-Domme then they might as well charge a fee or demand a tribute.

Does this make it any clearer?

For a submissive the way into BDSM is very simple - you either have something to offer (other than submission) which a Domme genuinely needs or you pay. Either way you give.

It's not exactly rocket science, or is it?




CuriousPuppy -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/23/2008 4:52:44 PM)

Someone commented several pages back about how they doubted nobody ever read through a whole thread once it gets to a certain size like this.  That's not true, I just read all 15 pages :)

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ORIGINAL: ObedientYYC

When I run into a profile that demands monetary tribute, I just click the big "hide" button.  Clearly they aren't serious about wanting a genuine relationship of the type I am seeking.  This is my way of separating the wheat from the chaff. ;)

I can't believe that all the time I've been here I somehow never noticed that button between all the others :(.

Personally I tend to stop reading most profiles that mention tribute within a couple lines.  Some of them are up front and state that they consider tribute to be something like a postcard/flowers/etc normal relationship type things, those ones I tend to read; if someone wants flowers, candy, and other normal relationship type stuff... they should say as much rather than using a word that basically means "give me money!" more often than not.  Some of them are honest and pretty clearly spell out "I am a Pro Domme and expect tribute for my sessions" type thing without beating around the bush, those I tend to read as well.

If someone can't be honest about an expectation like that though, like many of the profiles that mention tribute come off as being, I would have trouble trusting them with most health and safety issues let alone being able to have an honest relationship.  I've already had the fun of nearly getting a restraining order on an ex after they broke into a friends house, while I was at work, because they were "sure" I was cheating on them with said friend's sister... who was engaged... because I had been doing my best to keep my distance whenever possible after she threatened to claim I raped her (which came several months after the threat of suicide if I didn't give it a few more months) if I ever left years ago back when I was in highschool... I don't need to start a relationship with another psycho waiting for someone to baker act them in human clothing.  If you want something, be honest about what you want.




Politesub53 -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/23/2008 5:08:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MstrssScarlet

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ORIGINAL: khem

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roflmao...My feelings exactly!!!!
Mistress Scarlet


HI Ma`am, Why do dead horses get flogged for free but we gotta tribute ? [8D]




Leatherist -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/23/2008 5:11:01 PM)

Fast reply.
 
From what I have seen,they do it for two reasons.
 
1. To get some use out of a vast collection of otherwise useless men.
 
2. To chase away those who cannot even be that useful.




LadieSofia -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/23/2008 5:33:30 PM)

Uh Huh! [sm=banana.gif]

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Fast reply.
 
From what I have seen,they do it for two reasons.
 
1. To get some use out of a vast collection of otherwise useless men.
 
2. To chase away those who cannot even be that useful.




AcademyForSlaves -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/23/2008 8:24:42 PM)

Hi.

That's a common question but a good one. The reason can vary. Some might use it to weed out the selfish guys who want a fetish session and don't want to pay (if you treat a woman like a prostitute then expect a fee), and some women have bills to pay and they feel a slave should pitch in and help. I agree it might seem harsh when it's asked upfront but could it be that your expecting a session and you want your fetish catered to? If that's the case then expect to be charged a fee. And if she's a webmistress and she owns a site then she's got bills and memberships and donations help cover those expensive costs. In the long run it's still cheaper than dating, a girlfriend, a wife, and really cheap compared to divorce!!

If you can't afford to pay anything then tell her right away nicely and ask if there's other ways you can serve her so she'll own you. For example we have a slave labour program for poor slaves.

Hope this helps.




joyinslavery -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/24/2008 1:09:58 AM)

Is it up to 15 pages yet? 

Who's fault is it really? 

Have fun. 




passub -> RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? (5/25/2008 9:10:10 AM)

Having only been on CM for a short time, one presumes, that pro-dommes so called will clearly indicate
in their profiles, that they are pro - session and meet for cash - however if it be the case that ye have
ladies on this site, who are pro - that is for cash but do not clearl;y state so... well!!!!????

Suppose depends what ye seek if ye want to pay hundreds of whatever for an hour fine.. but if
ye seek a typa relationship ye are hardly going to pay hundreds  for the privledge.
Might suggest depends on pro-domme, some are genuinely in de scene, do not charge hundreds
and only see a select few - whereas some others, willa, basically see anyone and everyone for top
dollar.
That is not really a relationship, except the type of a service provider to a customer, where provider has
one presumes, good customer relations training and manner - but that is it.

there are some, who argue, that subs who attend yer run of da mill pro-domme are not really
in da scene - a typa tourist, quick thrill.
That raises another question as on most of da internet is this site mostly populated by pros..?????

Tribute being a polite, sterilised word for cash.









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