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Real0ne -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/28/2007 10:57:41 PM)

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1638663,00.html




Vendaval -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 4:31:34 AM)

This is especially troubling, (quoting from the link provided by Real One).
Ashcroft would be a certainty, who would be the other?

"But a senior administration official speaking to reporters today said Bush is prepared to go a step further, instructing two former members of his staff now outside government not to comply with subpoenas to testify either. "
 

 




juliaoceania -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 6:02:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

This is especially troubling, (quoting from the link provided by Real One).
Ashcroft would be a certainty, who would be the other?

"But a senior administration official speaking to reporters today said Bush is prepared to go a step further, instructing two former members of his staff now outside government not to comply with subpoenas to testify either. "
 

 


I often wonder if Ashcroft left because Bush wanted more of a "Yes Man" as Att. Gen...perhaps we may get answers, what a novelty




KenDckey -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 7:13:05 AM)

Hey Fargle  The wimps didn't try to do anything then and probably wont' now.   At least I don't expect them to.

You know.   To me at least, it seems in politics the alligation is more important than the facts.  The Executive Branch provides oversight of the Legislative Branch through the veto.   The Legislative Branch provides oversight of the Executive Branch through bills and/or impeachment.  And the Judicial Branch provides oversight on both through intrepretation of the constitution.

But I wonder who provides oversight on alligations (regardless of who makes them) and the millions we spend playing political games.  Seems to me that it is full time employement for lawyers and prevents the politicians from doing their jobs.  Also the voting of party lines sucks.   Has nothing to do with any issue.   Has nothing to do with right or wrong.   Has only to do with politics.  At least in my opinion.

Issues aren't decided by the people.  They are decided by pollsters.  And I think all polls can be rigged based upon the way you ask the question.  Issues aren't decided in the best interest of the people, They are decided based upon their popularity.

One man's opinion




Vendaval -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 8:13:34 AM)

That is a very interesting theory, julia.  Any ideas who the second former staff member would be?




dragone -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 9:32:01 AM)

Excuse me...but that is NOT what you said. Your very statement implied that Cinton Refused. Admit you made a mistake and MISREAD the 2nd paragraph, or is that not in your mindset. 'Well, I'm sorry, but you are right Fargle, I mis read the paragraph'; can't say it?

Transcripts may contain therein substantiated facts and edivence that Cannot be denied later. Transcripts may prove what ACTUALLY transpires during the time, event and debated issues.

Okay, not to bring up history, as some like not to see historical events which may just explain the current trends.....Hitler instructed his high elechon not to put memos nor certain orders in writing, just issue verbal commands. Now this is known fact, yet the Germans were the most meticulous bunch on keeping factual accounts of what they were doing. And...that is why; the nazis stand accused forever more, throughout enternity for their crimes...that is, unless certain factions purge those transcripts.

Patton, upon encountering the horrors of the 'concentration camps' gave orders that those under his command tour and see everything that was there, every officer and soldier. When he was questioned as to what and why he ordered this; he replied "I want my men, to see with their own eyes, and bare witness as to what has occurred here, this day; because in their lifetime, this will be denied; even as never happened."

I know, what has such ancient history have to do with 2007, and why did I bother to bring it up. You figure it out.

The movie Slophie School...has the re-enactment of her trial; and ALSO, portions of the actual trial, ACTUAL, as it was filmed at that time. But that is yet another reporting of actual events in history with ACTUAL filmed transciption. But, it's nothing to do with Clinton, so dump the shit, right?




Real0ne -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 9:41:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Issues aren't decided by the people.  They are decided by pollsters.  And I think all polls can be rigged based upon the way you ask the question.  Issues aren't decided in the best interest of the people, They are decided based upon their popularity.

One man's opinion


Yep polls.

People will fill out long questionaires voicing their opinion about freaking laundry soap, answer pollsters but they will not bother to vote.

Fuck polls lets just have a legitimate public "VOTE" and be done with it!


These guys are whimops for 2 reasons, either they dont have the goods or the public doesnt fax them on every issue.

either would give the whimp more clout.








farglebargle -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 9:41:43 AM)

The salient point is that Bush and his henchmen had this prepared even back then..

It's fully pre-meditated.

Hmmm... A pre-meditated conspiracy to deprive Congress of their lawful oversight role... Where have we seen violations of 18 USC 371 before???





dragone -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 11:00:01 AM)

Hi Fargle; The thing these people, do not want to believe, and refuse to accept is that these items, issues are planned, years in advance before the event occurs. Every issue, and it's outcome is a precisely planned agenda, with a predicted outcome and result.  Every issue, that we are discussing here is a contrived, prescribed, action- event with a predictible outcome. Nothing is left to chance, nor the will and vote of the people. Case in point: Bush coming to power. Was it just sheer coincidence, that the deciding state just happened to be the state his brother governed?

However; in every circumstance, no matter how well planned the prescribed outcome may be...there enters certain varibles which are uncontrolled circumstances which may alter the predicted event somewhat. And even these varibles, should they happen have a backup plan.

To illustrate, by just two events: When Brady walked in front of Reagan in a hail of bullets. Gun legistration ensued.
That Clinton got elected. Clinton was an anomily, that should never have happened and a surpise to the Bush politic. Hence, any credibility of the Demoratic Clinton had to be demolished, by any means whatsoever. I actually think that the Clinton's themselves where astonished.

The 9-11 Towers, planned to perfection, almost; the press being johnny on the spot, the media prints in graphic photographic descriptions of the event from every concievible location, view, ever, even to ground zero. All publized to the max; almost instantly, the day after the happening, with the citizens in shock; classic photo, a tearful black woman holding, comforting an injured white guy laying in her lap. Hell man, she looked like a movie star, not some old hag of a street person, but a geniune movie star;and the ensuing patriot bombardment through every medium possible...until the result was achieved. That of protection from Terrorist attack, the protection of the american people and our children, demanding the need and issuance of the Patriot Act, HomeLand Security, and other errosions of the constitution and rights of the citizenry,  Comparison to the historic Reichstag of ancient history, the ensuing 'Enabling Act'; the 'Emergency Decree'; was lost, any real subsequent investigations , lost.

I know, I know, I'm going to be accused of being 'Nazi Obsessed'; and admonished for bringing up illrelevent ancient history.....so what, if they choose to be ignorant of history, then they exhibit, demonstrate, their stupidity.

The GATT, NAFTA, Clinton signed into law, and takes the heat for, everyone feels it was all done in the few weeks after his election, "hey, this is what I decree, done". Yet...no one wants to admit that Bush sr, and his crew engineered the entire thing, concieved it all, and Bush sr,lobbied for it's passage even to the final week of transfering the government to Clinton, hand carried the bill through the necessary venue proccesses. And it was on the agenda years before signing by Clinton.

I envy you, that you know so much of what is going on here, with this government; I just simply have not the time, nor the energy to research these matters to the fullest.  But, man, it is so very in every one's face exactly what this Bush government is doing to our constitution and to this country, yet they defend him, incredible. And I do appreciate your posts. Thank you.




farglebargle -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 11:46:01 AM)

Hey, Nazi IS as Nazi DOES.

Deprive a Muslim of their unalienable rights, and you can just as easily deny them to Jews.







uwinceismile -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 12:04:13 PM)

i knew there was a reason i quit looking here .... wow,,i read one thread,,and it all comes flooding back...lol




Lordandmaster -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 12:26:03 PM)

Buh bye!




uwinceismile -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 12:36:49 PM)

awww, that hurt :(  pffffft




domiguy -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 12:37:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: uwinceismile

i knew there was a reason i quit looking here .... wow,,i read one thread,,and it all comes flooding back...lol


Why would you ever want to participate in a conversation that would call you to question your beliefs or statements....Be a good little boy....And go turn on your tele...I think the O'Reilly Factor will be on soon....I'm sure you will enjoy the soothing effects of such fine programming...It will reaffirm everything that you cling to and will rarely cause you to use what God placed between your ears.




uwinceismile -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 12:43:22 PM)

wow domguy,,,
i appreciate you looking out for me, unfortunately, i watch very lil tv. not into cable news...and dont believe in organized religion :(
any other assumptions youd like to make? i dont mind u making urself look silly here :)




uwinceismile -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 12:51:43 PM)

truth be told domboy,
i rather enjoy hearing opposing view points. its how i learn, and balance my thoughts on different topics. if all i ever looked for was what i already knew or believed..id be wasting my time.
but when i see post that say things like the 911 attacks were chorographed, and played out perfectly, so that a..b..&c.. could then take place...well, frankly,,this place loses all credibility.
i believe ben franklin once said "3 men can keep a secret, so long as 2 of them are dead"..... and some here believe that everything is planned out in advance? and it just works somehow?
hell, by that reasoning, bush would have favorable poll numbers in the 80'S.... and gas prices would be $1.50     lol
if only humans were that clever




Lordandmaster -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 12:55:42 PM)

Umm, uwince, don't you realize that YOU also believe the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy?  An Al Qaeda conspiracy.  Unless you can find someone who believes that the attacks were carried out by a single individual acting alone, everyone on earth believes the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy.  You can't dismiss conspiracy theories just because they're conspiracy theories.  That would be, you know, irrational...

Anyway, this happens to be what I believe too, though there are many unanswered questions about our nation's inept response to the attacks on that day and in the immediate aftermath.




uwinceismile -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 1:08:24 PM)

i wouldnt consider it a theory to say that the attacks on 911 were carried out by fanatical islam terrorist. i think we have enuff proof of that. we have thier names. etc.
you are in course entitled to your beliefs, as am i. they dont even need to coincide. i would hope that on a message board, from a site which is know for both alternate lifestyles, and hopefully tolerance of each others lifestyles, that we could be a lil more tolerant of each others views?
for instance,,domguy telling me "be a good lil boy" etc...is uncalled for.
i dont read these post (which are about 97% dem 2 lib views) and post my thoughts (and ive said before i am a repub) with out expecting some debate. i encourage the debate, hopefully, its how we learn from each other. but personal attacks are un needed. i dont believe for a second that im any smarter then anyone here. but i believe what i believe. and from time to time ill post what i think and feel. and hopefully those among you who feel the need to personally attack will allow for anothers views, even if they dont match your own,
and domguy. i take this opportunity to apologize for calling you domboy. it was uncalled for, and petty of me




mnottertail -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 1:12:32 PM)

it may be an issue of reading comprehension:

quote:


i wouldnt consider it a theory to say that the attacks on 911 were carried out by fanatical islam terrorist. i think we have enuff proof of that. we have thier names. etc.

'cause that ain't what he said.




uwinceismile -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 1:16:32 PM)

well,,as far as reading comprehension goes. i was speaking about an ealier poster, who clearly insinuated that the conspiracy was u.s govt. based.
i didnt see any reason to point that out, because i thought it was known by anyone who read the thread?
but i will try to figure out how to put others words into the box as ive seen done here , to try and make it easier to follow




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