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Sinergy -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 4:51:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uwinceismile

and from what i remember from those times... our own intell,,and that of our allies,,was very very similiar.....


Actually, the intel everybody had was provided by the Bush administration.

An example of this was the Iraqi agent (dont remember the name off the top of my head) interviewed with a lie detector by the CIA in, I believe, Thailand.  The CIA came to the conclusion that the man was a pathological liar and his reports of Saddam attempting to purchase yellowcake in Niger were fraudulent.  Yet his statements were used as proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Which (i.e. the WMDs) , unless you can provide any sort of credible source, were never found.

Why is it that Republicans trash Clinton as a lying sack of doodoo for years, and then use him as a credible source when an alleged comment supports their views?  Personally, I imagine the reason for his comment (if he even made it) was because his wife faces criticism within the Democratic party for voting for the AUMF.

It always fascinates me the reverse engineering done in order to support their confirmation bias.  In other words, one can read thousands of sources claiming something did not happen, but only believe the one source that states it did happen.

Sinergy



philosophy -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 5:06:44 PM)

.....it is fairly well documented that UK intelligence didn't view Saddam as a threat, but after political interference something that has become infamous as the 'dodgy dossier' was produced. It included unverified data and even part of a students thesis (plagiarised i should say). All this information is readily available.
Blair some time later apologised for this. Has Bush apologised yet?



uwinceismile -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 5:09:32 PM)

sinergy,
i havent trashed anyone here ..clinton or otherwise. i thought clinton was a pretty damn good pres in most regards to be honest.
when we elect a pres,,he becomes my pres as well,,,,, not ur pres,,or thier president.
and what i attributed to clinton is the truth. he has come out in support of bush's descision.. because he was in fact given the same intell.
and i acknowledge that bush  has made a mess of things, i dont understand why u would think i am here to be a bush apologist.
im a repub,,,not a whipping post my friend.im sure if we sat across the table and had coffee,,we would find much more in common, then we would find differences



uwinceismile -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 5:12:54 PM)

i am not familiar with teh doggy dossier philo...
but in the short time ive been here, i have been impressed with ur postings. i will see if i can find info on that dossier.



farglebargle -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 5:13:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: uwinceismile

sinergy,
i havent trashed anyone here ..clinton or otherwise. i thought clinton was a pretty damn good pres in most regards to be honest.
when we elect a pres,,he becomes my pres as well,,,,, not ur pres,,or thier president.


NEITHER. He's the President of the United States, and NOTHING MORE.

He is a minor functionary, who forgot the lesson of Nixon. You cannot use Executive Privilege to conceal a criminal act.




Sinergy -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 5:18:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: uwinceismile

sinergy,
i havent trashed anyone here ..clinton or otherwise. i thought clinton was a pretty damn good pres in most regards to be honest.
when we elect a pres,,he becomes my pres as well,,,,, not ur pres,,or thier president.
and what i attributed to clinton is the truth. he has come out in support of bush's descision.. because he was in fact given the same intell. and i acknowledge that bush  has made a mess of things, i dont understand why u would think i am here to be a bush apologist. im a repub,,,not a whipping post my friend.im sure if we sat across the table and had coffee,,we would find much more in common, then we would find differences


Fair enough.  I apologize if I insulted you.

I have my own issues with Clinton, but he did a bang up job keeping the US ship-shape and Bristol fashion. 

The Bush administration provided everybody with the same set of dodgy, unsubstantiated B.S., so I agree why Clinton might have said it.  However, I stand by my statement that he might have been stating it because the biggest issue his wife faces trying to get the Democratic Presidential nomination is her support of Bush's idiocy in the desert.  A man who is still quite popular to a lot of people making a statement like that might absolve anybody who voted for the AUMF (as a Democrat) while not necessarily helping out Republicans.  This is because Republicans are keeping us over there.

Sinergy



philosophy -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 5:38:52 PM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodgy_Dossier

...this may help......



uwinceismile -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 6:42:05 PM)

hey philo,
i will check that out. but i must say,,if wikipedia is the source,,its already a bit shady fo me :
non the les,,i will read for myself . thank you for the link



SumterDom -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 6:50:02 PM)

Not only her support of Bush and for the war hurt her, but things like her stating her daughter was jogging around the Workd Trade Center towers when the planes hit.

When someone called her daughter later on she said she had been at her friends appartment all morning. It was the friend whos apartment she was at that told her to turn on the teloevision to see what was going on.

Trying to manipulate the publics feelings for gain is one of the things that will work against her.



mnottertail -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 6:51:49 PM)

Um, did you hear whether or not that big titted bitch was wearing a bra?



philosophy -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 8:10:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: uwinceismile

hey philo,
i will check that out. but i must say,,if wikipedia is the source,,its already a bit shady fo me :
non the les,,i will read for myself . thank you for the link


.......okies, give me a source you regard as impeccable and i'll sort out a link to the dodgy dossier.



uwinceismile -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 8:16:29 PM)

philo,
dont get me wrong. i am just aware that i can post to wikipedia,,and it will likely be accepted :)
so hopefully, i can find ur link u offered,,and vett it against other materials as  well :)



philosophy -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 8:29:55 PM)

..fair enough, although wiki stuff get vetted by other users.....so posting that the dodgy dossier was, in fact, a minor league baseball team probably wont work........[8D]



HaveRopeWillBind -> RE: WHY is the Bush Admin SO SCARED OF TRANSCRIPTS??? (6/29/2007 8:41:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

This is especially troubling, Ashcroft would be a certainty, who would be the other?



Vendaval,
I believe the other is former White House counsel Harriet Miers.



As for the OP, Bush is afraid of transcripts because once they exist he can't say, "We never said that." It's all about plausible denial for him.



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