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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 2:56:02 PM   
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Come to think of it, you don't want to compare cocks with me either, sunshine because I promise you mine will dwarf yours.



I have posted this before, but it deserves restating.

My ex-wife once asked me how come I always ended up with really high-paying jobs where I didnt have to actually do anything.

I responded "Because I am smarter than you?"

I used to commute 3-4 hours a day, 7 days a week, and realized I didnt want to spend 21-28 hours a week for the rest of my life driving my stupid car.  I moved 5 minutes away from work.

I realized a long time ago that I wanted to make a good living, didnt really care to be rich, but I want to be comfortable, so I made a plan to do so.  It worked out.

Life is what you make it.

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 3:06:37 PM   
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Gee, thanks a lot you pack of bastards, now you made me depressed.


sing it with me.....kumbayaaaaaaaaaaa mah lawddddddddd

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 3:35:29 PM   
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kumbayaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa




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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 3:48:25 PM   
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It's cheaper to drive the 3 hours a day then to live within half an hour of my job, unfortunately.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

I have posted this before, but it deserves restating.

My ex-wife once asked me how come I always ended up with really high-paying jobs where I didnt have to actually do anything.

I responded "Because I am smarter than you?"

I used to commute 3-4 hours a day, 7 days a week, and realized I didnt want to spend 21-28 hours a week for the rest of my life driving my stupid car.  I moved 5 minutes away from work.

I realized a long time ago that I wanted to make a good living, didnt really care to be rich, but I want to be comfortable, so I made a plan to do so.  It worked out.

Life is what you make it.

Sinergy

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 4:05:49 PM   
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kumbayaaaaaaaaaaaa mah lawddddddddddd

kumbayaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa




You do realize you have mail, growing dusty from not being opened?


technology in the hands of morons.......what can i say

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 4:45:41 PM   
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It's cheaper to drive the 3 hours a day then to live within half an hour of my job, unfortunately.



Depends on how much value you put on your time here.

I happen to value my time a lot more than money.  Money can be earned, time lost cannot be
recaptured.

Sinergy

p.s.  I am not the one who challenged everybody on the board to compare penis size.



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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 5:24:54 PM   
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People have a negative outlook on the homeless because they sterotype them as lazy, drunkards or mentally incapacitated, and i am sure maybe many are - how very unfortunate we live in a society which tolerates treating people in such a manner - you have a better chance of being a homeless animal and finding loving and caring people to rescue you and house you in a shelter then you do if you are a human being.  Homeless people are scorned, attacked, and reviled as worthless.  Most people are a few paychecks away from being on the streets themselves, but those who have families to fall back on, or a savings account, or some other resource will probably be able to survive for a time being fired and avoid the streets. The older you get the harder it is to market yourself in society - ever read the want adds? - Wanted: new young graduates needed etc etc..... In many positions they don't want to pay the salaries older people have earned through years of work, especially in jobs where they have to put you in according to years of experience - teaching is one example i can think of off the top of my head. So they hire new graduates so they can start them at a low wage and save money. 

Geeky you say anyone can get a job - just go to wallmart etc - what about women who have lost a job that maybe paid 50 to 60 thousand a year - is wallmart going to match that salary? i doubt it.  How can this woman afford to live on minimum wage and contiue to support her family?  She will probably make too much to qualify for any kind of aide and not make enough to keep her family well fed and healthy.   Wallmarts a great job for a single woman, no kids, living at home, having mom and pop support them, but be realistic.  i live in a suburb of NYC and you can't even afford a dump on minimum wage. a 2 bedroom dump would go for minimum $800.00, but you would probably need good health insurance for all the times you get mugged and assaulted because those dumps are in poor, high crime neighboorhoods. Try raising kids in that kind of environment - you lose them to the streets. 

i have known  many people who have lost jobs from being downsized.  i have lost a job because of discrimination but i wouldn't go near trying to fight it or waste my time because i know it's near impossible to prove.  i fell into that "too qualified" pitfall for a long time and i believe my age and weight was also an issue in trying to find employment, so i got smart and rewrote my resume - i don't like not being totally honest but i also  don't like not being able to eat and feed my children.  Will i ever get a job in the field i was trained in, for which i have a Masters degree - probably not - but i still send out resumes all the time.  Last count was 350. 

There was so much bantered about in this thread and it was the first time reading a thread that i felt it actually made me depressed to read it.  People, if you have a good job count your blessings cause it doesn't get easier as you get older. If you have perfect children count your blessings as well, i love mine and they are my world but one was born with a physical disability and the other a mental disability - keeps you on your toes for sure and all that extra money you think you will have for that nest egg goes right out the window.  i see people less fortunate then myself and i say there but by the grace of god go i - i believe in karma and reincarnation and while i have a lot of compassion for people who suffer i believe we all sufffer in life to learn what we need to learn to go to the next level.  i hate that saying - God never gives you more then you can bear - i smile when i hear it, but i think to myself - yea, go walk down 42nd street or the bowery and see how well those people are bearing what god dolled out.  Or visit a psychiatric hospital and then come back and tell me the same thing. How nice to live with sayings that insulate you from the realities of life. 

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 5:39:49 PM   
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Depends on how much value you put on your time here.

I happen to value my time a lot more than money.  Money can be earned, time lost cannot be
recaptured.

Sinergy

p.s.  I am not the one who challenged everybody on the board to compare penis size.




Well, my time can't make up the difference in what the mortgage would be closer to my office, so I'd rather "waste" some of my time and keep a roof over my family's heads.

P.S.  Neither am I.

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 5:46:26 PM   
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Come to think of it, you don't want to compare cocks with me either, sunshine because I promise you mine will dwarf yours.



Right.

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 6:30:50 PM   
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Right.

Sinergy


That was directed at the "sunshine" in question, not everybody, since she felt it necessary to cast stone.  I was simply pointing out she, too, lived in a glass house.



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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 10:37:03 PM   
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Stella, the work you do is very important and I am glad you are sharing your experiences with us here.  I am not familiar with the specifics of the UK laws, politics and economics that have led to such a crisis.  But most of the reasons for people becoming homeless are the same here. 
 
An added problem in the US is the lack of health care for so many people.  A family may have to choose between paying their rent or mortgage and paying for outstanding medical bills.  A person may be injured on the job and fired by their employer and have to wait for their time in court to make matters right.
 
We have a huge problem with runaway and throwaway children and adolescents.  Many of them leave home to escape from physical and sexual abuse and become further victimized on the streets of the big cities as prostitutes and low level drug dealers.
 
I would like to share a personal story from my own family.
During the Great Depression my maternal grandparents had their own farm and were more self-sufficient that those in the cities.  Many men rode the railroad cars and walked across the country looking for any work they could find.  My grandfather would talk to them and make sure they seemed to be of decent character first, in order to protect his family.  He would then hire them to do work on the farm and let them sleep in the barn.  If he was home they were invited inside to eat with the family.  If he had to go out in the afternoon they were fed on the front porch.
 
Nowadays I will not invite a homeless person into my home nor will I give them money.  But I will give them food and water and extra clothes and have taken donations to shelters.  I also worked in a shelter for teenagers as a night supervisor for many years.  That was an amazing experience that changed my life forever.
 
Peace,
 
 
Vendaval
 
 
 
 

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/2/2007 11:00:33 PM   
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That is wonderful news!  I am very happy for you and instynctive. 


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did you manage to carry this baby to term? i have seen the heartbreak of miscarriage and really hope a baby was your reward for all the bs you got from work.


Yes, Seeks, i was successful this time around *smile* UM is going on 5 months and doing wonderfully, thank you for asking


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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/3/2007 2:37:52 AM   
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That is wonderful news!  I am very happy for you and instynctive. 



Thank you Vendaval *smile*

Now...because i feel pretty bad about the semi-hijack of Stella's thread, i figured i'd try to address her original questions from my perspective:

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However what I find is not many people are really bothered as to how their hardearned tax money is spent.


When i was an active part of the work force, i *did* get concerned how tax money was being spent.  Here, in America, the homeless population is growing at an alarming rate.  i, also, have seen both sides of the coin within my own family (sad, but true) as well as with friends and i know that the government is not doing enough (or maybe enough isn't the right word...maybe it's "the government is not doing the CORRECT) things to address the situation.  But yes, i am/was very concerned.

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Is it perfectly acceptable to leave the majority of street homeless to their own devices and without any sort of help?


No, it's not perfectly acceptable.  While some may think "they made their bed" there's a lot of underlying factors that result in homelessness.  Most people need help...be it mental, physical or just plain "directions" on what to do to get out of the hole.

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What is it we find so unacceptable about people without homes and without work who require help from the authorities? Why do we automatically assume that there is something wrong with them? What is so wrong about approaching the authorities for help when help is needed?


i think most people (notice MOST) have a narrow view of why the homeless are actually homeless.

Statements/Questions like: Why don't they help themselves? There's plenty of work if they just apply themselves! Drug addicts don't deserve my tax money.  and so on....

Sure, sometimes it may be true, but not all the time and, i'm sure not the majority of the time.  One of my best friends lost her home...job passed out pink slips, she lost her personal income, 3 children and one on the way.  She was, homeless.  She had to seek assistance.  She had to go into a shelter and rely on the government to help her keep a roof over her head.  She was a hard worker, a devoted mom and wife.  She was also forced to lie and tell the government her and her husband were "separated" and he had to go stay with his mother in her tiny 1 bedroom apartment in order for them to GET help.  His job making minimum wage would have disqualified her for any help.  How someone is going to maintain a home on $8 an hour is beyond me, the math does not and will not ever work.

In another example, my own sister...never worked a day in her life.  Got married at nineteen, had my first nephew about a year later, got housing through the state, got food stamps, got welfare, got heating/electric assistance...the government made it possible for her to not work.  She is a VERY talented woman, she can draw so beautifully it makes your eyes hurt.  At 18 she was approached by the Walt Disney Co. to work in their Animation Department.  So, the opportunity was there for her to have an incredible career.  She CHOSE the easy way.  She lived off the government for 19 years.  She recently lost her housing.  My oldest nephew had had enough and moved down south to stay with his father.  My sister and my youngest nephew were now homeless.  The government told her she needed to go into a shelter until they found her housing again....so, i convince her this is the right thing to do because she needed to "hit rock bottom" to learn how to take care of herself and her son on her OWN.  Her shelter?  It is an apartment 100x better than the one she'd just lost.  She gets her own bedroom, she has a kitchen complete with dishwasher, coffee maker, microwave, fridge....she's learning NOTHING.  The government pays her $300 every two weeks to stay here until they find her a place, they have activities for the children and make daily day trips to museums, beaches, parks, etc. free of charge to her so she has all week from 9 to 4 open and free to do as she pleases.  While i sit here and type this, i still ask, "how is this HELPING her?"  The government continues to support this woman and makes no move to help her correct past behavior so it's less likely to happen again.

So, basically there's a bunch of reasons why someone could be homeless be it through no fault of their own or even if it's 100% their fault.  People in America frown on public assistance because of examples such as my sister.  This is the myth that's perpetuated.

Some find it hard to approach the government for help (my friend for example) because of the additional comforts they need to "give up" in order to qualify for the assistance or just on pride alone.  When you work hard your whole life and things just don't pan out according to plans, you usually end up blaming yourself and thinking you won't even qualify so why bother?

i trully have no clue where i was going with this, not enough caffeine...but i will say this, Stella, you should be very proud of what you are doing to help...too many people will complain about the homeless problem, but ask those same people to stop complaining and start thinking/helping about/with a solution and they get horrified.  It's really very sad.


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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/3/2007 7:18:39 AM   
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i often wish i had the means to help more folks......but i do what i can for the kids at the school i work at.  we always adopt one for Christmas, and buy them presents, rather than exchange them our selves.  if i see one in old raggedy clothes, ill go to wally world and buy an outfit, and as lunchroom manager i can give hugs and the occasional extra cookie or something to make them smile......

i just had to come to the realization i cant save the world....but i can do all i can to make my little corner of it pleasant for all i come into contact with.

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/3/2007 8:08:44 AM   
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i just had to come to the realization i cant save the world....but i can do all i can to make my little corner of it pleasant for all i come into contact with.


Now, imagine if everyone adopted that attitude...pretty cool as far as i'm concerned *smile*
*goes to find her "imagine" mp3*


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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/3/2007 8:12:28 AM   
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John Lennon's "Imagine"?

That's a song supporting communism.. ;-)

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/3/2007 8:18:16 AM   
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John Lennon's "Imagine"?

That's a song supporting communism.. ;-)



i never tend to look at the political undertones of a song...it's pretty and speaks of "imagining all the people living life in peace"...that's what i zeroed in on

*goin' to make my hippy ass a sammich*


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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/3/2007 8:35:21 AM   
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Great.. does that mean your ass smokes pot, has dreadlock and reeks of patchouli and ass?

;-)

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/3/2007 8:41:09 AM   
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no, it doesn't *smile*

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RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... - 7/3/2007 8:42:51 AM   
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Okay good..

I didn't think I did. ;-)


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