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thompsonx -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 10:33:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: uwinceismile actually thompson, my assumption would be ,,,if they were caught,,the charge would be attempted murder......not discharging a fire arm inside city limits.... and an attempted murder charge,,,,should be enuff to throw the book at them uwinceismile: Not so...murder one will get you 8 years in California. You have to stop watching "Draw and Quarter" it is just tv. So if a shooter typically does 8 years for murder one what they goona do with attempt murder. And getting a conviction would be tough unless someone was actually hit. The stats would most likely go with discharging of a weapon within the city limits which is a "slam dunk". That would typically be done in the county jail. Now when we add the enhancement they are going to the boogie house. thompson

stef -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 10:44:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Stef, no in fact I don't know anyone who lives in LA County, Cal. And yes it does require training and a lot of practice to be a good shot. I was a former Fed so I've been through all those courses and we had to qualify every 6 months or so. I didn't realise that you had to be "connected" to excercise a basic right in LA Country or Calif. Maybe you just need to read some more articles on it. It appears to be a recurring theme that you will pontificate on subjects of which you usually prove yourself to be grossly ignorant. Perhaps you should reconsider this as a general course of action. quote: P.S. up in your neck of the woods I know a shitload and I mean a SHITLOAD of people who carry guns without a "permit" So you know a shitload of stupid people. That's not exactly something I would be bragging about.. ~stef

Real0ne -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 10:46:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: farglebargle: As I mentioned to popeye...that is why we hire cops. As for your alternative of moving from California....get a grip California is the center of the universe thompson If you rely on Cops to protect and defend YOUR OWN SELF, you deserve whatever happens to you. 911's a joke. farglebargle: I have read a great many of your posts. You are usually rational. Whassup dude. This just does not sound like you. No one deserves to be assaulted. By your logic if you had your "hi cap 9" and were assaulted by twenty people would it be your fault that you only had 14 bullets. thompson Thats why i carry a couple extra clips :)

thompsonx -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 10:47:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx As I mentioned to popeye...that is why we hire cops. I'm not sure why since there have been multiple court rulings similar to Warren v. District of Columbia, which states the following: [It is a] fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen. The police have no duty to protect you or even respond to your 911 call in any timely manner, and they have the legal precedents to back that up. It leaves the populace in a difficult position, and most of them are ignorant of that position. quote: Add to that the fact that most people (including cops) can't hit a 4'x8' sheet of plywood at twenty feet. Nonsense. Before you can get a permit to carry, you have to pass a basic marksmanship qualification that's considerably more stringent than that. Cops have to qualify yearly as well. However, whether or not they could hit that plywood sheet under stress conditions when someone else is shooting at you is legitimately debatable. ~stef stef: This would seem to be at odds with the equal protection clause of the fourth and fourteenth amendment. If the cops are not here to protect the citizens what are they here for? As for the cops being able to hit what they aim at I would call your attention to the bank robbery in Los Angeles where the hoodlums used body armor. Not one cop had the talent or the courage to stand up (from ten feet away) and take a head shot at one of these individuals. If I were the chief I would have fired the lot of them for cowardice in the line of duty. thompson

uwinceismile -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 10:51:12 AM)
[&o]uwinceismile: Not so...murder one will get you 8 years in California. You have to stop watching "Draw and Quarter" it is just tv. So if a shooter typically does 8 years for murder one what they goona do with attempt murder. And getting a conviction would be tough unless someone was actually hit. The stats would most likely go with discharging of a weapon within the city limits which is a "slam dunk". That would typically be done in the county jail. Now when we add the enhancement they are going to the boogie house. thompson thats the crux of the problem,,,unwillingness to procecute to the full extent of the law,,,,, plea bargains

Real0ne -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 10:53:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx As I mentioned to popeye...that is why we hire cops. I'm not sure why since there have been multiple court rulings similar to Warren v. District of Columbia, which states the following: [It is a] fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen. The police have no duty to protect you or even respond to your 911 call in any timely manner, and they have the legal precedents to back that up. It leaves the populace in a difficult position, and most of them are ignorant of that position. quote: Add to that the fact that most people (including cops) can't hit a 4'x8' sheet of plywood at twenty feet. Nonsense. Before you can get a permit to carry, you have to pass a basic marksmanship qualification that's considerably more stringent than that. Cops have to qualify yearly as well. However, whether or not they could hit that plywood sheet under stress conditions when someone else is shooting at you is legitimately debatable. ~stef In the case of 911 it was the feds responsibility to respond to it and part of the feds did an exemplary job while the other part failed miserably. FEMA for instance flew in and was there the night before so they were fresh and ready to rock n roll at 9am. The us air defense on the other hand was out having coffee and donuts and were a day late and a dollar short. Personally i think we should replace the us air defense with FEMA and the BATF since they always seem to be the most prepared.

thompsonx -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 10:54:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: farglebargle: As I mentioned to popeye...that is why we hire cops. As for your alternative of moving from California....get a grip California is the center of the universe thompson If you rely on Cops to protect and defend YOUR OWN SELF, you deserve whatever happens to you. 911's a joke. farglebargle: I have read a great many of your posts. You are usually rational. Whassup dude. This just does not sound like you. No one deserves to be assaulted. By your logic if you had your "hi cap 9" and were assaulted by twenty people would it be your fault that you only had 14 bullets. thompson Thats why i carry a couple extra clips :) Real0ne: I have never heard of an autoloader that uses clips. If you are talking about that box shaped thingie with the spring inside and a follower those are called magazines. thompson

Real0ne -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 10:56:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx As for the cops being able to hit what they aim at I would call your attention to the bank robbery in Los Angeles where the hoodlums used body armor. Not one cop had the talent or the courage to stand up (from ten feet away) and take a head shot at one of these individuals. If I were the chief I would have fired the lot of them. thompson Bingo! They didnt even sneak around a corner (unseen) and take a head shot. i noticed that too in those clips...

Real0ne -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 10:57:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: farglebargle: As I mentioned to popeye...that is why we hire cops. As for your alternative of moving from California....get a grip California is the center of the universe thompson If you rely on Cops to protect and defend YOUR OWN SELF, you deserve whatever happens to you. 911's a joke. farglebargle: I have read a great many of your posts. You are usually rational. Whassup dude. This just does not sound like you. No one deserves to be assaulted. By your logic if you had your "hi cap 9" and were assaulted by twenty people would it be your fault that you only had 14 bullets. thompson Thats why i carry a couple extra clips :) Real0ne: I have never heard of an autoloader that uses clips. If you are talking about that box shaped thingie with the spring inside and a follower those are called magazines. thompson lol i dont have an autoloader, so i have to carry clips, guess i shold have been more clear on that :)

popeye1250 -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 11:10:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Stef, no in fact I don't know anyone who lives in LA County, Cal. And yes it does require training and a lot of practice to be a good shot. I was a former Fed so I've been through all those courses and we had to qualify every 6 months or so. I didn't realise that you had to be "connected" to excercise a basic right in LA Country or Calif. Maybe you just need to read some more articles on it. It appears to be a recurring theme that you will pontificate on subjects of which you usually prove yourself to be grossly ignorant. Perhaps you should reconsider this as a general course of action. quote: P.S. up in your neck of the woods I know a shitload and I mean a SHITLOAD of people who carry guns without a "permit" So you know a shitload of stupid people. That's not exactly something I would be bragging about.. ~stef Stef, they're "stupid" for excercising their Constitutional Rights which the state of Massachusetts is trying to deny them? You guys still don't get it in Massachusetts. Governments exist to serve The People not to dictate to The People! Just WHO the fuck is the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to be denying The People their Rights and trying to tell The People what to do? They've become a socialist nanny state. You should listen to The Howie Carr show, WRKO 680 am at 3 pm.

stef -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 11:11:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx This would seem to be at odds with the equal protection clause of the fourth and fourteenth amendment. If the cops are not here to protect the citizens what are they here for? That's a very good question, isn't it? quote: As for the cops being able to hit what they aim at I would call your attention to the bank robbery in Los Angeles where the hoodlums used body armor. Not one cop had the talent or the courage to stand up (from ten feet away) and take a head shot at one of these individuals. First, there were no officers anywhere near within 10 feet of the gunmen, so it's a moot point. Second, standing up under the onslaught of fully automatic weapons fire when all you have is your service pistol is not courage, it's suicide. ~stef

farglebargle -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 11:14:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: farglebargle: As I mentioned to popeye...that is why we hire cops. As for your alternative of moving from California....get a grip California is the center of the universe thompson If you rely on Cops to protect and defend YOUR OWN SELF, you deserve whatever happens to you. 911's a joke. farglebargle: I have read a great many of your posts. You are usually rational. Whassup dude. This just does not sound like you. No one deserves to be assaulted. By your logic if you had your "hi cap 9" and were assaulted by twenty people would it be your fault that you only had 14 bullets. thompson I'm sick and tired of wasting all this money on "Security-Welfare" for those too lazy to take care of themselves, and believe they're entitled to all our tax dollars.

thompsonx -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 11:17:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne lol i dont have an autoloader, so i have to carry clips, guess i shold have been more clear on that :) Real0ne: The only clips I know of for handguns only hold three rounds. So with six in the wheel and six in your pocket that leaves you 8 rounds short in this gunfight. thompson

farglebargle -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 11:18:43 AM)
quote: So you know a shitload of stupid people. That's not exactly something I would be bragging about.. A strict interpretation of "Shall Not Be Infringed" is not necessarily equal to "Stupid". There are some who believe that they are not slaves, and in a Free Country, don't need to go begging to The Man for PERMISSION to own and use PROPERTY, in this case: firearms. It's just like Drugs. The only thing that makes it wrong is that it's legislated against. Do individuals have a DUTY to disobey wrong Laws? I believe there is an absolute requirement for Freedom and Liberty Lovers to do so. And history has shown the requirement for it quite clearly, eh?

Real0ne -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 11:20:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne lol i dont have an autoloader, so i have to carry clips, guess i shold have been more clear on that :) Real0ne: The only clips I know of for handguns only hold three rounds. So with six in the wheel and six in your pocket that leaves you 8 rounds short in this gunfight. thompson well whatever the correct description is i always called my square spring loaded colt bullet holder thingie a clip. LOL

farglebargle -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 11:23:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne lol i dont have an autoloader, so i have to carry clips, guess i shold have been more clear on that :) Real0ne: The only clips I know of for handguns only hold three rounds. So with six in the wheel and six in your pocket that leaves you 8 rounds short in this gunfight. thompson 7 each * 8 in a pack = 56 + 7. Shit, grab a 16" '94 in 357, and it'll be a whole lot more comfortable. And you can go through .38s at the range... http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/productview?saleitemid=385220&t=11082005

stef -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 11:29:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Stef, they're "stupid" for excercising their Constitutional Rights which the state of Massachusetts is trying to deny them? No, they are stupid for commiting a felony. quote: You guys still don't get it in Massachusetts. You have no idea what anyone other than you "gets." quote: Governments exist to serve The People not to dictate to The People! Just WHO the fuck is the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to be denying The People their Rights and trying to tell The People what to do? They've become a socialist nanny state. Thank god we have great patriots like you whose solution to the problem is running away to another state instead of trying to change things. Fucking hypocrite. You're in no position to preach to anyone else. ~stef

thompsonx -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 11:31:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx This would seem to be at odds with the equal protection clause of the fourth and fourteenth amendment. If the cops are not here to protect the citizens what are they here for? That's a very good question, isn't it? quote: As for the cops being able to hit what they aim at I would call your attention to the bank robbery in Los Angeles where the hoodlums used body armor. Not one cop had the talent or the courage to stand up (from ten feet away) and take a head shot at one of these individuals. First, there were no officers anywhere near within 10 feet of the gunmen, so it's a moot point. Second, standing up under the onslaught of fully automatic weapons fire when all you have is your service pistol is not courage, it's suicide. ~stef stef: Perhaps we would have a better chance at charging them with false advertising...It says on the side of all LAPD vehicles "to protect and serve" I have watched the video of the bank robbery and there were three cops on one side of a car and the bad guy on the other....stand up and take the shot. As for suicide that is a crock.... my brothers and I have done it on more than one occasion and for a damn site less money and a whole lot less backup. Fact: Reaction time exceeds a committed shot by almost a half second. Anyone who carries a gun for a living needs to know this. To prove this to yourself take a dollar bill and hold it in your left hand and hold your right hand under it so that the bill may pass in between the thumb and forefinger of your right hand. Thumb and forefinger being at the bottom of the bill. Release the bill with your left hand and try to grasp it with the thumb and forefinger of your right hand. You will catch it every time. Now do this with a friend you drop the bill and they try to catch it. Their reaction time exceeds the time it takes for the bill to fall past their fingers. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 11:44:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne lol i dont have an autoloader, so i have to carry clips, guess i shold have been more clear on that :) Real0ne: The only clips I know of for handguns only hold three rounds. So with six in the wheel and six in your pocket that leaves you 8 rounds short in this gunfight. thompson 7 each * 8 in a pack = 56 + 7. Shit, grab a 16" '94 in 357, and it'll be a whole lot more comfortable. And you can go through .38s at the range... http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/productview?saleitemid=385220&t=11082005 farglebargle: Well it just goes to show you that an old dawg can learn new tricks. I had never heard of a seven shot revolver. I am not sure just how well that would work in the model 57 or the 29. Thank you for disabusing me of my ignorance. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/10/2007 11:48:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef Thank god we have great patriots like you whose solution to the problem is running away to another state instead of trying to change things. Fucking hypocrite. You're in no position to preach to anyone else. ~stef stef: Your problem is that you are always so nicey nice...why don't you tell us how you really feel.[;)] thompson

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