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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 7:42:43 AM

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I'm not sure why Cooking Meth is an issue at all, since all the major supplies are imported just like any other Commercial endevour.

It's shipped into the US in a 20 or 40' box. Probably from a factory in China. Compared to the imports, locally produced is a nice DEA Propaganda issue, and helps spread around the federal block grants, but doesn't do squat for the source.

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 7:43:04 AM

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Siiiigh... Again, Harry J. Anslinger.

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 7:45:42 AM

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drug addiction isnt trreated as a criminal issue......

crimes that some addicts commit to feed there addiction is treated as a criminal issue tho

( ya dont see many food addicts stealing hams from the grocery store)

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 7:49:39 AM

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they are lurking behind every tree

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 7:55:49 AM

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ok, elect me and ill keep drugs illegal.....but all herbs will be legal for you to use in any way you wish to......and crimson gets to keep her alkeehaul too

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 8:20:54 AM

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Sinergy,

Casie,

I was not the one who made any of those points.

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Sorry I was kinda of in a hurry and miss quoted.........:)

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 8:25:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I'm not sure why Cooking Meth is an issue at all, since all the major supplies are imported just like any other Commercial endevour.

It's shipped into the US in a 20 or 40' box. Probably from a factory in China. Compared to the imports, locally produced is a nice DEA Propaganda issue, and helps spread around the federal block grants, but doesn't do squat for the source.

farglebargle:
Not so. I live in the midst of the largest meth kitchen in California. The Mojave desert... because of it remoteness and distance between structures it is the home of the cooks.
One of the local "precursor" items that the sheriff keeps an eye on are ice cubes. The sheriff on his rounds will check in with all the local outlets for ice and review the store video and when he notices one person consistently buying more ice than you might reasonably need for a couple of kegs he will stake them out and begin to track them.
It sometimes takes several months. Just good police work.
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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 8:34:30 AM

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Amateurs. ( In the fly-by-night context ).

No-one in BUSINESS can deal with that kind of bullshit, so like everyone else, the import from China.

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 8:34:41 AM

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I am not sure why cooking meth is an issue, if it is decriminalized. Then the original ingredients can be used in a controled environment, where explosion are less likely to occur. The cost will plummet and there will be no real advantage to cokking it yourself. Sure there will be the occasional person that tries to cook it, and even sell it, but it will be no different than the antiquated moonshine stills that slowly faded away. Sure there are a few home brewers now, just as there will be some homegrowers of weed that want to try their hand at things. The same laws could apply, if they want to sell it to the public, they get a license, get inspected, comply with regulations and there you go.

Most of the home explosions are caused because an addict wants to turn their addiction into feeding it and making money at the same time. If that same addict could get it from an institution very cheaply, and as they went and got it each time, was given many different options, it would increase their chances of getting treated.

The bottom line is that almost every other addiction is treated as a health issue, why is it that drug addiction alone is treated as a criminal issue?

Orion

OrionTheWolf:
The point I keep trying to make which keeps being ignored is that meth is a cheap but toxic substitute for cocaine. If cocaine and meth are both legalized and they are both the same price why would anyone use meth. It is kinda like having your choice between drinking a "la fiete Rothschild" or gasoline and both being the same price. I am sure that somewhere we could find someone who would prefer the gasoline but they tend to be self eliminating.
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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 8:44:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Amateurs. ( In the fly-by-night context ).

No-one in BUSINESS can deal with that kind of bullshit, so like everyone else, the import from China.

farglebargle:
I would agree that they are in the "fly by night" category but it takes less than a year of high school chemistry to be able to master the nuance of "cooking" and according to the crime stats I have read (I am sure that what is published is what the authorities want me to know and not necessarily the truth) most of the meth comes from Mexico or is locally produced. I would be most interested in any data that you might have about imports from China.
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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 8:45:51 AM

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Mexico, China, is there really any difference these days?

( Excepting labor in Mexico is more expensive? )

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 8:53:06 AM

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The point I keep trying to make which keeps being ignored is that meth is a cheap but toxic substitute for cocaine. If cocaine and meth are both legalized and they are both the same price why would anyone use meth. It is kinda like having your choice between drinking a "la fiete Rothschild" or gasoline and both being the same price. I am sure that somewhere we could find someone who would prefer the gasoline but they tend to be self eliminating.
thompson

im not sure that you understand how an addicts mind works..... if thier drug of choice was cocaine,,theyd be hooked on that,,,meth heads love the high,,,plain and simple.... u make it cheaper and easier to get,,u will just make them that much happier and higher,,,untill they are dead ofcourse////
addicts are not interested in upgrading thier drug of choice....thier only interest is in finding the eways and means of getting thier next fix..period

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 8:54:48 AM

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theretical thought is a wonderful thing,,,till it clashes with reality

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 9:32:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Mexico, China, is there really any difference these days?

( Excepting labor in Mexico is more expensive? )

farglebargle:
Well aside from that big puddle of water and thousands of miles.different cultures and a whole list of other things ...yeah there is a lot of difference.
How about a site on the wage differentials. I was not aware of any significant disparity in wages for slaves in either country.
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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 1:21:49 PM

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addicts are not interested in upgrading thier drug of choice

[sarcasm]

That certainly explains the logic behind referring to marijuana as a "Gateway" drug to harder drugs.

[/sarcasm]

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 1:58:05 PM

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The point I keep trying to make which keeps being ignored is that meth is a cheap but toxic substitute for cocaine. If cocaine and meth are both legalized and they are both the same price why would anyone use meth. It is kinda like having your choice between drinking a "la fiete Rothschild" or gasoline and both being the same price. I am sure that somewhere we could find someone who would prefer the gasoline but they tend to be self eliminating.
thompson

im not sure that you understand how an addicts mind works..... if thier drug of choice was cocaine,,theyd be hooked on that,,,meth heads love the high,,,plain and simple.... u make it cheaper and easier to get,,u will just make them that much happier and higher,,,untill they are dead ofcourse////
addicts are not interested in upgrading thier drug of choice....thier only interest is in finding the eways and means of getting thier next fix..period

youwinceismile:
If what you say were true then why do meth heads discriminate between good meth and bad meth? It is all speed... that is the rush they are after, unless you are talking about someone who is addicted to strychnine. As I mentioned above those who cannot discern good from bad at the same price are self eliminating. By the way cocaine is not physiologically addicting, and has no LD50.
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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 2:24:07 PM

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Just my 2 cents...addicts get 3 tries at detox/rehab, then the death penalty. They don't care about the misery they create, why should we be forced to support them in their farce? They have already chosen a living death. I don't see any incentive for sobriety or wellness. This one implies a terminal committment. And yes I would invoke this on my own family member if needed..
So don't waste time splitting hairs about this drug and that one...it's all misery and destruction of lives and families and businesses and ethics and productivity to support yourself in society..etc. An addict will move on to another drug if he can't get his drug of choice, then he has two devils owning him...or more.
I might be just a little pissed off when people who masturbate about the positive aspects of drug legalization may not have had the joy of a family member/loved one/etc creating a positive learning experience of the wonderful world of drug addiction for them.
If you really promote drug use; start giving free dope to children so they don't miss any time enjoying this marvelous experience. I'm in a pissy goddamn mood and I dream of the day when all drug addicts die in their fucking sleep so the rest of us can not worry about being robbed or murdered or lied to or manipulated and on and on and fucking on.
Damn that was big nasty 2 cents.

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 2:57:09 PM

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meth heads are discriminating?
how many meth heads do u know personally?
and besides,,all addicts are self eliminating.

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 4:17:52 PM

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ok, elect me and ill keep drugs illegal.....but all herbs will be legal for you to use in any way you wish to......and crimson gets to keep her alkeehaul too

you have my vote. This whole thing reminds me of two things one the bumper stick that sasy god made weed man made beer who do you trust and a comedian who pointed out that compared to other narcotic weed isn't a 'real' drug. Weed grows naturally, once dried rolled and smoked you get an effect. where are every other drug ont he market has to be proccessed and cooked chemicals added etc. But of course if you want less hassel there are legal bud varieties that do exist.

but then again i am happy with my bottle of cold vodka straight from the motherland and my hookah

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RE: Drug Legalization - 7/10/2007 4:19:11 PM

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Just my 2 cents...addicts get 3 tries at detox/rehab, then the death penalty. They don't care about the misery they create, why should we be forced to support them in their farce? They have already chosen a living death. I don't see any incentive for sobriety or wellness. This one implies a terminal committment. And yes I would invoke this on my own family member if needed..
So don't waste time splitting hairs about this drug and that one...it's all misery and destruction of lives and families and businesses and ethics and productivity to support yourself in society..etc. An addict will move on to another drug if he can't get his drug of choice, then he has two devils owning him...or more.
I might be just a little pissed off when people who masturbate about the positive aspects of drug legalization may not have had the joy of a family member/loved one/etc creating a positive learning experience of the wonderful world of drug addiction for them.
If you really promote drug use; start giving free dope to children so they don't miss any time enjoying this marvelous experience. I'm in a pissy goddamn mood and I dream of the day when all drug addicts die in their fucking sleep so the rest of us can not worry about being robbed or murdered or lied to or manipulated and on and on and fucking on.
Damn that was big nasty 2 cents.

Legalization doesn't mean promoting it's use. Cigarettes are legal, Alcohol is legal, I don't see many people standing at the playground fence handing them out. The rest of your post is debatable, but the part about handing kids drugs is just drug paranoia talking. Who would do that if they were legal, there wouldn't be any money to be made getting kids addicted that only works when they are illegal, because the profits are high.

Here kid take my drugs, so I have to go buy more. LOL.

I've been ripped off by more non-drug users than drug users to. Got burned on a bag of pot when I was 18, that has been it.

I don't do any illegal drugs anymore by the way, that is years gone by, and I don't miss it either. Though it was fun for a very short period of time.

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