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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 11:52:42 AM   
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I'll take this one step further....Online relationships are bullshit.  If you start an online relationship and then it leads to a LDR you are missing some screws.

My true love now lives in Oregon....What the fuck is wrong with you?   It is just as likely that your true love also lives down the fucking block.

If you begin a relationship locally and then someone moves...Job relocation or whatever, that is one thing.   To begin an online relationship and then get collared and then have a ldr....

Let's see I just tweaked the Domiguy "Soul Mate O' Meter".....As of July 6th 2007 there are now 5,321 potential soul mates for Domiguy living within the Chicagoland area.  The reason for the decline in Soul mates was I tightened up some of my qualifications.

Why would I choose to engage in something that would even possibly lead to a ldr from the get go when there is soooo much of that fine Chicago gash right at my fingertips?

Does this make any sense?

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 12:15:50 PM   
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I must agree with you, Domiguy.  Online relationships suck.  Even way out here in a rural part of Mississippi there are hundreds of potential partners within a couple of hours drive from me.  So why would I choose a "cyber-partner" when I can find a flesh and blood person to spend time with?  And let's face it, online anyone can pretend to be anything they want to be.  So until you meet in person you don't know WHAT you have.  A friend of mine put it best "Online I only get to meet your representative....but when we start meeting in person, sooner or later the real you will show up. "

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 12:30:03 PM   
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Ok.. simply what I am trying to say is...
problems come up in both... just the same..

not the same problems... but that things do arise


i don't vote for the strictly online relationship thing either...

but initially... you have to get to know someone somehow...

like i said...

i spend time in person with my submissive... we met online, but we have a real life connection... so i am by no means trying to say online is the only way to go

just that people who have questions about the start of their relationship... or about their  long term online relationship... shouldn't be faced with a bunch of "its not real because its not in person" responses...

rather, help them out...
offer advice relevant to the situation




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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 12:39:33 PM   
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Interesting thread.  My three long-term relationships all started out online.  One was married and so the longest she was ever here was a month.  Of the other two, one lived here for 6 months and the other lived here for 3 months during a "leave of absence" from work.

I live in a small town and have discussed before the problems I encountered with my proclivities being outed.  My practice is here.  I have looked in Colorado...been to munches, had several coffee dates and dinner dates but the fact that I live in a small town did not do much for them.  Now perhaps there are other submissives in other small towns in Colorado who might be interested and O.K. with a small town.  But in all honesty, I have not met one from a town my size or smaller within Colorado.  Is it me?  Possibly.  I would be among the first to tell you I have my faults.  But I do find it ironic that the most successful relationships in D/s that I have had started out online and yes, moved to offline, and were from other areas besides my own state.

I too prefer offline and do not substitute online for it.  But I do think that it can be, when used properly, a good tool for meeting and getting to know people from the intellectual and belief side without the immediate distraction of the "physical" aspects.

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 12:57:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: satyrsnymph28

just that people who have questions about the start of their relationship... or about their  long term online relationship... shouldn't be faced with a bunch of "its not real because its not in person" responses... 



in my mind, its not real til its in person........

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 1:21:06 PM   
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Interesting thread.  My three long-term relationships all started out online.  One was married and so the longest she was ever here was a month.  Of the other two, one lived here for 6 months and the other lived here for 3 months during a "leave of absence" from work.

I live in a small town and have discussed before the problems I encountered with my proclivities being outed.  My practice is here.  I have looked in Colorado...been to munches, had several coffee dates and dinner dates but the fact that I live in a small town did not do much for them.  Now perhaps there are other submissives in other small towns in Colorado who might be interested and O.K. with a small town.  But in all honesty, I have not met one from a town my size or smaller within Colorado.  Is it me?  Possibly.  I would be among the first to tell you I have my faults.  But I do find it ironic that the most successful relationships in D/s that I have had started out online and yes, moved to offline, and were from other areas besides my own state.

I too prefer offline and do not substitute online for it.  But I do think that it can be, when used properly, a good tool for meeting and getting to know people from the intellectual and belief side without the immediate distraction of the "physical" aspects.


I think there is validity here...If I lived in a small town this would be a tremendous outlet to meet someone and they are probably not going to live next door due to my remote or small town status. Since immediately meeting is not usually a viable option then you have to proceed online....Can it be an effective tool? ...Absolutely!...If someone is sane has the ability to follow your conversations and mentally meets whatever standards you set forth...And when you finally meet has the physical attributes that you require ( I know that some people don't care about such things....Remember,....I am incredibly shallow)Then there is no reason it can't work...There are obvious pitfalls that lurk when it comes to online that if possible should be avoided.

If given the choice, Creative D, I'm sure you would rather bypass the online crud and go straight to real time...Right?

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 1:31:39 PM   
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I always thought that because of the lack of visual and other stimuli, online relationships were bare and fascinating.

There's a whole new area of psychology out there that's yet to be fully explored. After all, people online DO relate to each other in different ways. And if and when they're honest with one another, the rapport can be strangely beautiful.

And sometimes, when they do meet face to face, they can transform... a few pixels... sudden, unexplainable emotions... into real life.

But I'm waxing lyrical here.

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 1:38:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: satyrsnymph28

Ok.. simply what I am trying to say is...
problems come up in both... just the same..

i spend time in person with my submissive... we met online, but we have a real life connection... so i am by no means trying to say online is the only way to go

just that people who have questions about the start of their relationship... or about their  long term online relationship... shouldn't be faced with a bunch of "its not real because its not in person" responses...

rather, help them out...
offer advice relevant to the situation


Here is what I am trying to get across to you....I'm happy you met someone online and it worked....If they are in your area all the better...The problem is why begin an online ldr...When there are a gazillion people who live around you that might just fill the bill. There are many outlets one can utilize to find what they seek.

There are many people out here that I find to be smart, sexy and cool...I think we would hit it off tremendously if we were to ever meet...As long as they live a substantial distance away we might be friends we might be fuck buddies....Whatever type of relationship is possible we might engage in....I would never view that person as a partner...Others feel differently.  I guess it comes down to how do you see yourself?  What are your deal breakers? And in your mind do you feel that there is the actuality of finding what you seek in your immediate vicinity?  Many people as to how they would answer these questions might lead them to have an online ldr.

But it doesn't have to be supported by anyone....And the pitfalls far outweigh the benefits....For people who place value on face to face interaction an online relationship would lead them to feel rather empty in contrast to what they could and should be enjoying.

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 1:44:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Of course when we finally meet and my 6'3" frame has been whittled down to 5'4" don't be dissapointed...It's all part of the game.


And it's a part of "the game" (or the marketing ploy) which will leave an underlying pool of uncertainty about whomever does it, which whatever they hoped to have hidden, obscured or overcome with their dazzling presence when they finally grace you with it, will forever be tainted by.
 
Whether it's the man who shrinks several inches, or the woman who ages a decade (or more) and has you wondering who the hell that person getting off the plane really is, the ploys, obfuscation's and ... oh hell, you say it so much better ...
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ORIGINAL: domiguy
I'll take this one step further....Online relationships are bullshit.
the odds that your investment of time and emotion will result in false expectations and worse pain to come make it mostly a fools game. 
 
The people who succeed at it are an infinitesimal percentage of those who try, highly over represented in forums such as this, because after all, they are people who feel that comfortable in the online environment.
 
Meeting people who are local, either by meeting them quickly or through actual social involvement with like minded folk, is so dramatically more productive and satisfying, there's really little to compare.
 
I said the following to someone I'd met locally:
 
"It struck me that a unique element in our coming together, is that it's the first time in a long while that I've met someone, not via some initial internet contact, but in person, without any prior knowledge or anticipation, other than knowing I was being introduced by a loved and trusted friend, and not even with that intention.  I really didn't expect more than the experience of the evening spent with friends.
 The things we have found in each other are all as the result of an actual interaction, which inspired us to communicate further.  I am so enjoying having had the "experience of the real you" prior to attempting to communicate and reveal more about myself. I think one of the failings of meeting people with whom we try to communicate some of those things before meeting, is the obvious limitation of the media available, devoid of all the triggers and cues and body language we have evolved to utilize.   Having made that initial investment lacking those, we are left free to apply those rose colored glasses you refer to, prior to the more profound experience of the whole person.  In such cases, it's sometimes too easy to try and fit the person to the preconception, which of course is favorable, or why would we have pursued it that point?" And that's the crux of the matter: We want what we want and we will fill in the blanks with the best possible answers and filter out what, in person, would be so much more difficult to ignore.  The bad habits, the annoying mannerisms and the contrived personality that wears thin when it has to exist in three dimensions. The question I'd ask the vast majority of people for whom online relationships have not only failed to mature to what they hoped for, but frequently have brought painful results (assuming you don't live where the population per square mile is 2 or 3) is, why would you continue to place a bet with such bad odds?


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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 1:52:59 PM   
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for me, it comes down to the little stuff...when i am up to my neck in laundry, exhausted, sick, pissed off at the world, and i don't know...just generally not feeling like my ideal self...i don't talk to other people online, even the ones i am interested in maybe meeting offline and even the ones i already know offline (i have friends on my messengers that i met in 3D and we just chat online cause cell phone bills can get expensive)...but what ever the case...i don't put out all my personality quirks for the world to see...

the written word is funny...once you put it down and give it away (letters, email, message board postings, IM's, etc) it doesn't just dissapear because you want it to...and if the relationship exists only online, all we have is written words...i am not one to say that these written words cannot create emotion...if they couldn't books wouldn't be around anymore...but just because its interactive written words doesn't make it any more real to me...

for me, real doesn't begin to exist till i can hear the difference between a sincere "thanks" and a hateful sarcastic "thanks"...from there it can grow...depending on how far both people are willing to go...

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 2:00:19 PM   
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I personally agree with the OP.
Whether you think online relationships are valid or not isn't the point, as I see it.
The point is that if you don't think online relationships are valid, instead of getting on a thread and telling someone they are invalid, stupid, their relationship has no validity or reality - why not just leave them alone and keep your mouth shut?

My kink is not your kink, but your kink is ok.
Tolerance.
Acceptance.
Instead of backbiting someone, judging them, and posting something absolutely useless because someone ELSE chose to have an online relationship with yet ANOTHER someone else...leave well enough alone.

Why the nastiness and judgement? No one is asking YOU to have an online relationship.

The way people get pissed when they were asked for advice and then find out "WHAT? This is an ONLINE RELATIONSHIP?" it's like you would think they had been duped for thousands of dollars instead of what...10 minutes of their time? Instead of berating the person, just say "oh, well my advice might not work because it was geared for a RT relationship and assumed you see each other in person" and then walk away?


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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 2:00:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy
The problem is why begin an online ldr...When there are a gazillion people who live around you that might just fill the bill. There are many outlets one can utilize to find what they seek

Well, for me, the gazillion people who lived around me weren't the ones for me.  My Master found me from 800 miles away.  Both of us are very practical, realistic, "non-dreamer-type" people.  We have both said to each other that if any of our respective friends or associates had entered into a relationship the way we did, we would have been very skeptical and just waited for it to blow up.  It just didn't make "good sense."  However, it has been and continues to be the best relationship that either of us have ever had.

Granted, it was never strictly online.  However, it DID start that way and we were definitely long distance.  We chatted, then spoke on the phone, and this became a daily ritual for weeks.  After six weeks, I was able to schedule some time off from work and drive the 800 miles to meet Him and spend the week.  It has been amazing from the beginning and becomes more so everyday.  Our relationship is no longer long distance but, even if it was, it would still be beautiful.  It amazes us that the odds against us ever meeting were so overwhelming.  Yet, it happened and neither of us could be more grateful.  We know we're blessed.

If I had an unfounded bias against online relationships or LDR's, I would have never met the Man who is everything to me now.  I had never been one to even attempt to meet anyone online and had been actively dating some of those gazillion folks who were "right down the block," so to speak.  None of them ever even began to offer me what He has. 

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For people who place value on face to face interaction an online relationship would lead them to feel rather empty in contrast to what they could and should be enjoying.

I can agree with this though, for some people, strictly online can work.  I think sambamanslilgirl is a perfect example of someone who feels entirely content within her relationship.  It is no one's place to decide that she isn't or that her relationship somehow just doesn't measure up.  For me, to have kept our relationship strictly online, would never have been fulfilling or satisfying.  We quickly progressed to r/t.  This doesn't mean that everyone else has to.  To each their own............luci

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 2:01:20 PM   
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See, everybody I've talked to that either is in an online relationship, or is seeking one, has all said the same basic thing:

" I'd be in a face to face relationship, but the pickings are SO slim/I live out in the boonies"

Doesn't that mean that they're actually settling by default? Settling for something less then what they actually want. That's not exactly a recipe for a healthy relationship, imo.

I have to admit, I met my husband in a chatroom, lol. BUT.. he lived 10 minutes away from me. So I don't even count our online chatting time as dating at all.

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 2:04:54 PM   
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i think the point missed is that when you post asking for advice, you're asking for opinions, and frankly, opinions are like...well you know what it is, take what you can use and leave the rest...in my opinion, it would work better for me if i was real life, so if 20 other people haven't already posted it, i am gonna do it...take it or leave it...if you don't want an opinion, don't ask the question...if you just want the answer you want...ask the person you know who is gonna give it...

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 2:10:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: queencaliph

I must agree with you, Domiguy.  Online relationships suck

For you.  Everyone is not you nor do they think like you or desire what you do.
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Even way out here in a rural part of Mississippi there are hundreds of potential partners within a couple of hours drive from me.  So why would I choose a "cyber-partner" when I can find a flesh and blood person to spend time with?

I don't know.  But, if you did, it would be your right to do so.  Sounds like you don't wish to.  That's cool.  Again, not everyone is like you.  I would also add that I too hail from a rural part of a rural state.  I could also have driven about 75 miles to a "big city" to meet others interested in BDSM.  I had no desire to go out to public places to search for someone like that.  Can I therefore assume that no one should do that?  If I think they should avoid doing that and just stay home and try to meet someone online, does that mean I'm right?  Not at all.  Different people have different approaches.  They're all acceptable.
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And let's face it, online anyone can pretend to be anything they want to be.  So until you meet in person you don't know WHAT you have

And this never, ever happens in r/t, does it?  LOL.  You may see what they look like but you don't know that much more about them to start with, anyway.  Over time, you may learn who they really are and you may not.  There are a million stories of folks who have conned people face-to-face.  The library is full of books about men who marry women and lead a "double life" with other families and things going on the wives have no clue about.  Actually laying eyes on someone doesn't make the possibility of being "fooled" any less real.........luci

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 2:11:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
I too prefer offline and do not substitute online for it.  But I do think that it can be, when used properly, a good tool for meeting and getting to know people from the intellectual and belief side without the immediate distraction of the "physical" aspects.

.....well said, Creative..........luci

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 2:20:44 PM   
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if you don't want an opinion, don't ask the question...if you just want the answer you want...ask the person you know who is gonna give it...

Yeah, that's one opinion.  Another approach may be for people to state their opinions as being such instead of stating them as facts that must be accepted by everyone who has any sense.  I love hearing differing opinions, especially people's reasoning behind why the feel the ways they do.  What I hate is hearing someone boldly announce that if I (or anyone else) doesn't think/do exactly the same way they do, that I (or the others) are WRONG or STUPID or SICK or blah, blah, blah.  That's the difference to me.  To say online relationships "suck" and are "less than" and "never work," etc. is not just an opinion about your own decisions.  It's a proclamation that anyone who thinks otherwise isn't right.  I may love hearing others' opinions but I don't like hearing how I'm wrong simply because I do things they choose not to............luci


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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 2:22:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elorin

I personally agree with the OP.
Whether you think online relationships are valid or not isn't the point, as I see it.
The point is that if you don't think online relationships are valid, instead of getting on a thread and telling someone they are invalid, stupid, their relationship has no validity or reality - why not just leave them alone and keep your mouth shut?

My kink is not your kink, but your kink is ok.
Tolerance.
Acceptance.
Instead of backbiting someone, judging them, and posting something absolutely useless because someone ELSE chose to have an online relationship with yet ANOTHER someone else...leave well enough alone.

Why the nastiness and judgement? No one is asking YOU to have an online relationship.

The way people get pissed when they were asked for advice and then find out "WHAT? This is an ONLINE RELATIONSHIP?" it's like you would think they had been duped for thousands of dollars instead of what...10 minutes of their time? Instead of berating the person, just say "oh, well my advice might not work because it was geared for a RT relationship and assumed you see each other in person" and then walk away?



Thanks. I just wanted this to be posted again.

Year 6+, we met online and have stayed primarily online with RT meetings every 3 months.
Is it hard?
Yup.
Are we both okay with it?
Yup, even when I have those moments when I think I'm not okay I always realise that I AM okay with it.

Reality is...
He loves me, I love him. I belong to him.

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 2:24:43 PM   
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reality is.. annoyingly prosistent!!

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RE: Reality is... - 7/6/2007 2:27:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveluci
What I hate is hearing someone boldly announce that if I (or anyone else) doesn't think/do exactly the same way they do, that I (or the others) are WRONG or STUPID or SICK or blah, blah, blah.  That's the difference to me.  To say online relationships "suck" and are "less than" and "never work," etc. is not just an opinion about your own decisions.  It's a proclamation that anyone who thinks otherwise isn't right.  I may love hearing others' opinions but I don't like hearing how I'm wrong simply because I do things they choose not to............luci



if you are so thin skinned that you can't ignore what people post on a message board cause it bothers you/offends you/disturbs your delicate digestive track/whatever...i think you have more of an issue than whether or not to go real life...sure i have been deeply disturbed by what was posted on a message board or in a chat room...i was also a severely depressed 17 year old...if what i think bothers you so much...heres my cure...(assuming you are on a pc) click start....click shut down...click shut down...and go outside...there is a world out there and its not so scary...take a big dog with ya if its so scary (so not trying to insult anyone...my mother has a service dog because people scare her...she can now go anywhere she wants by herself...it is a liberating thing...)

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