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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 6:10:28 PM   
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LOL good lord though you'd think we the online community "invented" the relocation problem.
History is full of people relocating for marriage, if we are to compare a collar to a wedding ring what is the problem with relocating??? LOL

Stirring the pot a little, LOL

Me?? i don't stir any pots LOL. Anyways, for marriage or collaring i can see relocating but not necessarily for play only and possibly something more.

(my own personal ethics equate the level of commitment of a collar and a wedding ring but I know not everyone's does)




LOL I was refering to myself stirring the pot not you, LOL

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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 6:12:35 PM   
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and this is why 90% of the profiles on Collarme are for "Doms Seeking Subs", the "rules of engagement" are practically impossible to achieve.
Not every Male Dom here is a phony, psychotic, rapist or murderer, but every unattached Dominant male is automatically stereotyped until proven otherwise.
Yeah, I'm an asshole. Big Deal.
At least I'm honest and real.


well it was all making sense til i got here......HUH?

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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 6:16:34 PM   
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He's an honest and real asshole.  At least that's what I got out of it.

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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 6:18:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Archer

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ORIGINAL: angelsub642

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ORIGINAL: Archer

LOL good lord though you'd think we the online community "invented" the relocation problem.
History is full of people relocating for marriage, if we are to compare a collar to a wedding ring what is the problem with relocating??? LOL

Stirring the pot a little, LOL

Me?? i don't stir any pots LOL. Anyways, for marriage or collaring i can see relocating but not necessarily for play only and possibly something more.

(my own personal ethics equate the level of commitment of a collar and a wedding ring but I know not everyone's does)




LOL I was refering to myself stirring the pot not you, LOL


Ahh gotch ya, i've been known though to stir the pot. So i guess it could have gone either way LOL

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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 6:21:40 PM   
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This is why I stick to local men. 
When a person is considering a long distance romance and eventual life mate situation there is a lot more to consider than sex or personality. 
What about insurance?  It takes around a year of working in a new job to qualify for insurance should something come up.  What about seniority at your job?  Is it in your best interest to leave a job where you have job security, and time which has built in and given you added perks like extra days off or 3 weeks of vacation rather than 1? 
And what about rent?  First, last, security, cleaning.. it all adds up.  I see people say "the dom or mistress decide who moves"  But to me that sounds like grunting.  I would want to hear rationale beyond "because this is the way it is done"  It would be nice to know that people intending to make such a move will be thinking with their brain and not their libido.
I see a lot of people into the fantasy it is nice to see people do think of the realities in a move like this.
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This is so much more than the Dom/sub relationship at this point though.

I think that all things need to be considered, talked over and either kept or discarded as a reason why someone cannot relocate. Someone that has a job that cannot move and they cannot financially afford to make that move is a good example.

Is the Dom who insists that the sub has to move going to foot the bill?

I am really also considering the local only relationships, LDR is way too hard.


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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 6:22:52 PM   
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He's an honest and real asshole.  At least that's what I got out of it.


Honesty is only useful when you know how to apply it effectively anyway.

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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 6:39:31 PM   
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I have gotten more than a few doms who have said they would relocate to me.  More than anything that makes me nervous!  How can an adult around my age not have ties to where they are, be it in a profession, or a family?  I know it would be difficult for me to move to them as I have my business and its really hard to get one going successfully.  But to know someone can pull up their life for me on a dream.. well it makes me take a second look at who they are and how easily they toss aside an old life for a new one.
It lacks the stability I seek.
Kyst


I'm not sure of your age and do agree that you have to question how somebody can just pick up and move so easily,  there could be a ligitimate reason. I'm planning on retiring in my early to mid 50's ( 5-8 yrs out) and if I'm still single, I could pick up and go anywhere I want to, including to another country and not have to worry about picking up another job unless I wanted to.


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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 6:39:45 PM   
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Umm... I am a little confused here.  It seems to imply that the reason subs, submit, is to take them out of a non productive unsuccessful life.  LOL and frankly I have met more than my share of dominants who could stand a little more interest in the material.  It is kind of hard to go from a home to a motorhome, ya know?
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Sounds like you're loaded with "material" things. Why would you even run a profile? You're obviously the "ruling" force in your life.
But, not EVERY sub is in your successful situation, Maybe some of the others would like to achieve such things, too!



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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 6:53:24 PM   
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Umm... I am a little confused here.  It seems to imply that the reason subs, submit, is to take them out of a non productive unsuccessful life.  LOL and frankly I have met more than my share of dominants who could stand a little more interest in the material.  It is kind of hard to go from a home to a motorhome, ya know?
Kyst

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ORIGINAL: MASTERHAWG

Sounds like you're loaded with "material" things. Why would you even run a profile? You're obviously the "ruling" force in your life.
But, not EVERY sub is in your successful situation, Maybe some of the others would like to achieve such things, too!





Whats wrong with a motor home...you can take it anywhere.

I'm kidding...I know what you mean.


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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 7:05:26 PM   
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I can appreciate material things just like the next person, but I'm getting to the point where I feel like owning less is more.  More freedom. Material things consume you and I'm guilty of it right now, but I'm preparing myself for a change. I'm fine with a woman owning her own house and I'd help her out finacially along with mentally and physcially. If she tires of me, she can kick me out the door. 

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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 8:31:00 PM   
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I find the responses to this thread quite interesting, especially some of the emotion it has generated.  My turn to throw in my two cents.

First off, if I put "relocatable" (which I did) in my profile,  I could reasonably expect any potential Dominant to read this as "he will move if this works."  Anyone putting "relocatable" has a different idea of what that means, Dominants and submissive alike.  For some, relocatable means, I'm moving in with you, even though we live almost next door.  For others, relocatable means they'll move into a cave in Mongolia if they meet the one.  That's why we take the time to talk these things out first.

Second, regardless who relocates, this will only occur when both parties have (hopefully) reviewed their situation.  Certainly, if I had an ocean view house, with five acres, and so on, my chances of putting "relocatable" in my profile are pretty much slim to none in the first place, so really, what's the issue regarding relocation then?  Someone in that position isn't moving. 

Third, the people who have questioned the "stability" of those who are willing to leave family and friends behind.  I ask you to go talk to anyone in the military.  They do it all the time.  I think most of them are stable.  I am very stable.  I was a military brat, and moved every three years.  I then joined the military, spent 20 years, and moved on the average every three years.  After I retired, in the next 8 years I moved a total of 10 times and 6 different jobs. I had the freedom to do so, and expressing that freedom is wonderful.  I have a pension and a nursing degree that I can use anywhere in the world. My current relocation to Mistress was after living in an area almost 8 years.  That is more than twice as long as any single period previously in my life living in the same locale.  I love that I have the ability to be able to do this. 

I know damn well Mistress wouldn't let me set foot in the same county if She thought I was some sort of kook.  Some people are willing to try new worlds, and relocating doesn't make us "unstable".  I have taken advantage of the work I put in from my earlier years, and I'm enjoying it.  That it has allowed me to find the perfect one for me, makes my previous work in my younger years that more fruitful.  Some people worked for the financial freedom to do amazing things.  I am not rich by any means, but I am free to move about the cabin, if you will.

One more thing, for the OP.  Submissives are looking for someone to serve.  I think  that dynamic alone establishes that the submissive is the one who usually moves, especially if everything is fairly much quid pro quo.  I have no scientific data on this issue, so I will go with the posters and only surmise that yes, the submissive most often relocates. 


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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 8:39:13 PM   
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Dear MistressSassy66, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I am fond of entertaining the idea of getting a 'motor home/coach' as to transport my bed and things to where weather is good and have hitched a portable dungeon.
 
It would be a true 'Have Domme and Dungeon will travel.'
 
Yet looking at just my BDSM equipment, I may have to go tractor trailer for the 'Dungeon'--so, would have to have another to --haul them.
 
Respectfully submitted with a bit of humor,
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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 8:41:27 PM   
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Hello, I'm Jeff, and I'm a Dom (Hi, Jeff.)

My box was checked, but even so I didn't know if things would go that way if/when I met someone interesting.  Well, I met someone interesting, and unless certain circumstances occur, I'll be leaving my nest and job in the next few months and heading to be with my submissive partner.

The reason why I have that box checked is that I work in an industry where jobs are relatively plentiful (although I wouldn't want to necessarily do what I used to within my industry).  I have a decent, steady income and a position as manager now.  I have no idea what sort of job I'll get and no clue what sort of money I would be making.  We've established that I would be working at 'something'.  And that's it.

Answer your question?

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RE: Relocating? - 7/8/2007 10:23:56 PM   
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My Master made a considered decision to go against His previous "rule" that a sub would have to move to be with Him when He chose to travel 5000km to move in with me! W/we had been together for increasing periods of time prior to that, i had spent several days in His home, so i knew what that had to offer, and He had spent 3 weeks in my home. i was the one with the big house on 5 acres with a massive shed/Dungeon, (no ocean views, i'm not that keen on those, but it was a beautiful bush block which as a botanist i adored), a good job ... and a trainee sub hubby too! my moving at that stage was out of the question ... it was more a matter of whether O/our relationship was sufficiently important to U/us both for Him to do the moving. He decided it most definitely was! He also thought a bigger city might afford Him more personal opportunities, though unfortunately that didn't work out as hoped. He moved on the understanding that He would be flying home at least twice a year to see His family and friends and i totally understood that. And His mother and sister flew over to visit once too.

Further to Archer's posts, YES it did cause a bit of difficulty for Him to be Head of the Household in a house He didn't own or have significant financial interest in. He was a bit of an outsider, especially at first, and as the local scene isn't very experienced with poly, it took a while for Him to make friends. And it didn't help that the local group of His main hobby turned out to be a bunch of prats, so He ended up giving that up as He couldn't afford to keep replacing equipment their idiocy kept breaking! There were certainly things He couldn't and didn't want to immediately take control of, but these were discussed and dealt with. Even had i moved to Him, i wouldn't have been ready to immediately give up all my financial control etc to Him. To me (and Him!), that level of surrender is earned as the trust and relationship develops. Far more difficulty was caused by the hubby who turned out to be a CD fetishist and most definitely NOT submissive. After 3 years, W/we decided to call it a day after the love for the hubby had well and truly died, and even the love of my house (which i had a very special bond with, unlike any other house i've ever lived in), was not worth the stress. For all sorts of reasons, financial, job and personal, W/we decided to travel 5000km back across the country and have settled some 300km from His original home. That has taken me away from my family, friends, choir, work ... and yes, it's not all easy. On the other hand, i am relishing the chance to live in a smaller community and getting to know a whole new bunch of people. And i'm not missing people anywhere near as much as i thought i might. And He knows there will be times when i will go back to visit as He did. W/we deliberately chose NOT to live in His home town as the presence of His family would severely interfere with O/our M/s dynamic (His mother is a drop-in kind of person!). As it stands, He can more easily go and visit them for a few days (He's there now) but they need to phone and make an arrangement to come down and see U/us! And this town has a nicer climate than His home town. For me, it seemed only fair to have been as willing to be uprooted as He was, now this has become the more practical/desirable option.

It IS easier now He is truly Head of the Household. For all sorts of carefully considered reasons, including a significant financial advantage, this house is in His name and His alone. i admit i had a few collywobbles about that, though He has insisted on setting up other arrangements to make it clear that it is mine too. In His mind He still tends to think of it as solely mine since it was basically my money that paid for it. While i usually say "no Master, it IS Yours" there's a part of me in my heart that warms to the fact that He hasn't easily taken it from me without consideration of how that feels. There's also a part that feels really good about surrendering this to Him. It's another stage of my submission and i was ready for it, with just the right amount of "edge" that being challenged in any way provides. W/we both have wills that clearly dispose of O/our assets to each other, or have arrangements for their disposal should W/we both sadly go together, only having furkids means there's no one obvious to inherit. i am at ease with the decision and with O/our plans for the future. i feel safe and at ease with that decision now.

My Domme side is currently talking to a sub who lives about 400km south. Having just moved, I would be reluctant to go through that again (200+ boxes!). she is in a rental house and doesn't have particular ties that would keep her in that specific area. her son is involved in the lifestyle and is looking to move (as a Dom!) to USA where His sub resides as she has a lot of good reasons for needing to stay where she is (custody etc). So My potential sub knows that I would expect her to relocate here and she has no problem with that. It will only happen if/when O/our relationship develops to the point that she wants to be here AND that We (meaning Master and I) also want her here and are confident that she will fit into Our household. And it also depends on the council allowing Us to erect an extra space for her and permitting her 2 small dogs to join Our existing fur-family. Lots of if's and maybe's but I am willing to give it a try. However, for all the reasons people have mentioned, I am adamant in not considering people from overseas no matter how nice they sound ... wayyyyy too difficult for Me!

So I take this from a practical perspective ... who is most able to move? And while I acknowledge that the Dom being the one to move can create a different power dynamic as Archer said ... sometimes, as His own experience shows, it ends up to be worth it! It sure was for Master :-)

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

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RE: Relocating? - 7/9/2007 3:22:33 AM   
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i have recive many letters from submissive who want to relocate for me. but the short end of the stick is they some do some do not have jobs they want to clean house so they think they have a place to stay if the clean house cook ect. but i do not even know what they are like? what kind of person is he. and the part of the dom/dommes willing to let the other relocate but they will not do the same? it is ok to do this. as the dominant person we dicate what happen in our lives. i would not go to somewhere i am not comfortable in. and when you build a homes and have friends and family, no i would not relocate either for a submissive . i hope that explain thing for you .

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RE: Relocating? - 7/9/2007 4:21:30 AM   
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Why does it seem that most Doms want their potential sub/slave relocate to them and not the other way around? Why can't some Doms/Dommes be willing to relocate to where ever their sub/slave lives? i've talked to a few where they were either a Dom/Domme and it shows "willing to relocate", but than when talking to them they say no thier not and that their sub/slave has to go to them. Please help me understand this possible misconception that i have.
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It's not always the case. Ive said to the submissive Im very close to I willing to travel to her, said it more than once-she thinks she should come to Me.

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RE: Relocating? - 7/9/2007 5:24:51 AM   
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I chose to relocate to live with a submissive for practical reasons in that my circumstances were more flexible on many fronts and their was 1,300 miles between us.  This was something that I would hesitate to ever do again.  After a few extended meetings within the 2 year period we communicated, after I moved there, I found her to be very territorial and resentful of sharing her space, although I saw none of this during my visits.  This remained a source of contention throughout, coupled by an ever increasing defiance and submissive instability to the point where it was apparent the relationship couldn't continue as I suspected that either she wasn't cut out for BDSM or she wasnt sincere in her submission.

Never again.  I uprooted my life with major health issues for someone who didnt/couldnt reciprocate.  If I should take on a live-in submissive in the future, she will have to come to me.

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RE: Relocating? - 7/9/2007 6:20:09 AM   
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was reading profiles on here who are local to me or willing to relocate but asking for pictures of the house along with pictures of themselves, like she was more concerned about the actual house than the relationship....

I rather be happy in a dump than miserable in a mansion.......I'm not super interested in material possessions ( moving sucks when you own more stuff) and I really hate moving.  I'd be willing to move under the right situation (yes, I'm a dom, gasp), but I can't live off of someone else, I don't think its ethical.  In the same token, I don't take kindly to someone trying to live off me.  I basically think they are lacking something critical...

I had a money dispute with my gf/sub, where I went to visit her spend time even though we are local to each other, in a special circumstance, and probably should of talked about it ahead of time but thought we had a basic understanding....appearantly not, she wasn't even willing to cover any expenses....so me going out to meet her cost me money.  The idea I had about her helping cover expenses for me visiting fell flat with her....I basically paid for everything, and made me think she really wasn't right for me, too materialistic.  I know alot of women are materialistic, and its a major turn off....

if you treasure possessions more than relationsihps, seek mental help.....

I know money causes alot of problems in relationships, but I hate to think I'm involved in a relationship where she is a whore but just doesn't want to admit it.....if she is not willing to cover her own expenses, and mooch off me, well, read previous  sentence...

If we both agree on something and agree to mix a certain amount of money together just to do basic stuff together, covering expenses, then I expect that.  I don't expect mooching in either direction.

If I was rich, and I'm not, I'd spend alot of effort to not appear rich (not buy alot of expensive stuff).  If a woman really wants me for me, she doesn't care how big my wallet is....I don't like anyone trying to take advantage of me, and what Eddie Murphy says about 1/2 makes me think seriously about prenuptials....I personally don't care that much about money, and I rather money not be in the equation of romance...whether D/s or Vanilla....

relocation to me comes down to finances, pretty much, who is it going to cost more to move.....often its not worth a short term relationship to uproot........I hear horror stories of DOM's being taken advantage of and spending oodles of cash to get a submissive (headache), who lied alot and hid it until she was moved in....

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RE: Relocating? - 7/9/2007 6:28:19 AM   
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I basically paid for everything, and made me think she really wasn't right for me, too materialistic. 


Seriously, I'm not judging the choices you make in life, nor in your relationships.  But I can't help to wonder if the irony of this statement escapes you?  You're complaining about money, and she's the one that's too materialistic? 
 
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RE: Relocating? - 7/9/2007 10:58:14 AM   
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I believe the Dom should have the say in where a submissive/slave lives.
THEY ARE MASTER/MISTRESS and in control, not the other way around.


Everything is negotiable, especially at the onset of a Dom/sub relationship.  I expect W/we would do what is best for both, or what is least damaging overall.  It might even involve trips to both homes, and an observation of the quality of life and lifestyle that is to be had.  Then there would be the sitting down and having an open, heart to heart, discussion.

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