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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/20/2007 12:10:12 AM   
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I don't expect this to potentially go anywhere.  I've been out here for awhile and these subs never write back....Fuck!!!!....lol.

Okay...Topic at hand...I've been out here awhile and I was wondering whether there is loathing when it comes to Doms/Dommes and their relationships or feelings towards women/men?

Are there women and men haters out there that have brought them into this arena?  What a better place to go shopping for someone that might allow you to actually physically harm or engage in various types of degradation 
and thereby filling a need to damage the "person" that you despise.

This is not all that of an easy topic...It came about after a discussion with a Dom woman who made that observation about her counterparts and it is something that I have always questioned after hearing so many accounts from male and female subs alike.

As I type this I realize I'm playing into the hands of those who think that everyone who participates in this is inherently fucked up....Tough titties.....Any thoughts?



I don't look at the male doms but I seem to see this a lot in dommes who are especially feminist. Being a feminist and a domme doesn't mean a woman hates men but a lot of women who have this mix can be a bit suspicious in their ways. No offense.

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/20/2007 10:17:30 AM   
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I don't expect this to potentially go anywhere.  I've been out here for awhile and these subs never write back...



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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/20/2007 10:47:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I don't expect this to potentially go anywhere.  I've been out here for awhile and these subs never write back....Fuck!!!!....lol.

Okay...Topic at hand...I've been out here awhile and I was wondering whether there is loathing when it comes to Doms/Dommes and their relationships or feelings towards women/men?

Are there women and men haters out there that have brought them into this arena?  What a better place to go shopping for someone that might allow you to actually physically harm or engage in various types of degradation and thereby filling a need to damage the "person" that you despise.

This is not all that of an easy topic...It came about after a discussion with a Dom woman who made that observation about her counterparts and it is something that I have always questioned after hearing so many accounts from male and female subs alike.

As I type this I realize I'm playing into the hands of those who think that everyone who participates in this is inherently fucked up....Tough titties.....Any thoughts?


I'm a Female Dominant and personally I love men. I can't fathom punishing someone for whatever someone else has done in the past but I've seen that being the case none the less. Perhaps it is simply those that are abusive that look towards BDSM as a excuse or cover for their being able to be abusive in what they believe to be a "consentual" fashion. Unfortunately, those seem to be the ones that always make the headlines and news.

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I don't look at the male doms but I seem to see this a lot in dommes who are especially feminist. Being a feminist and a domme doesn't mean a woman hates men but a lot of women who have this mix can be a bit suspicious in their ways. No offense.


I don't think that it's the mix of those two that cause one to be suspicious. Anyone, either Dom or sub, male or female, can be suspicious. I think it's much more based from how many insincere people they've dealt with in their experiences that may cause them to be so in future. I tend to take what someone says at face value until things don't start to add up. Do I naturally go into every connection suspicious? No. Do I listen to my own instincts and ask questions when red flags start popping up? Of course. Previous experiences teach us to be observant. It has little to do with gender or which side of the kneel one is coming from.

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/20/2007 12:02:21 PM   
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I don't look at the male doms but I seem to see this a lot in dommes who are especially feminist. Being a feminist and a domme doesn't mean a woman hates men but a lot of women who have this mix can be a bit suspicious in their ways. No offense.


Interesting observation.  I've noticed a lot of women who think of themselves as feminists also have "issues" with men.  In my personal experience they are either supersensative or they have a general anger toward men.  In my personal experience, feminst groups seem to be the "she woman, man hating clubs" of our generation. 

I say this because I've yet to meet anyone who considers herself a feminist who could honestly acknowledge and discuss men's issues as they relate to gender or womens issues.    In my mind, that's a pretty good indication that someone has unresolved issues.  The same can be said for extreme liberals and conservatives or even many religious groups. 

Tristan

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/20/2007 3:12:26 PM   
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Interesting observation.  I've noticed a lot of women who think of themselves as feminists also have "issues" with men.  In my personal experience they are either supersensative or they have a general anger toward men.  In my personal experience, feminst groups seem to be the "she woman, man hating clubs" of our generation. 

I say this because I've yet to meet anyone who considers herself a feminist who could honestly acknowledge and discuss men's issues as they relate to gender or womens issues.    In my mind, that's a pretty good indication that someone has unresolved issues.  The same can be said for extreme liberals and conservatives or even many religious groups. 


Interesting. I'm a feminist and I don't have any "issues" with men aside from " So many men; so little time". I'm also quite capable of having an intellectual discourse regarding male issues as relative to gender. Perhaps it's simply the people you've come into contact with. I believe far more deeply in empowering women as afeminist. Although I'm sorry to hear you've had the experiences you have when it comes to feminists. We aren't all like that.

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/20/2007 3:21:45 PM   
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In my mind, that's a pretty good indication that someone has unresolved issues.  The same can be said for extreme liberals and conservatives or even many religious groups.


Amen!!!

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 9:23:21 AM   
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I don't look at the male doms but I seem to see this a lot in Domme's who are especially feminist. Being a feminist and a Domme doesn't mean a woman hates men but a lot of women who have this mix can be a bit suspicious in their ways. No offense.


Interesting observation.  I've noticed a lot of women who think of themselves as feminists also have "issues" with men.  In my personal experience they are either supersensative or they have a general anger toward men.  In my personal experience, feminist groups seem to be the "she woman, man hating clubs" of our generation. 

I say this because I've yet to meet anyone who considers herself a feminist who could honestly acknowledge and discuss men's issues as they relate to gender or womens issues.    In my mind, that's a pretty good indication that someone has unresolved issues.  The same can be said for extreme liberals and conservatives or even many religious groups. 

Tristan

I am a feminist raised by a feminist woman who has been married happily to a feminist man for 50 years.  And I have two older brothers who also consider themselves feminists.  Being a feminist is not restricted to the female gender and in my experience has little to do with one's feeling about men perse and more to do with equal rights for women.    Not at all about tearing down men but raising up women to be on equal status from a human rights standpoint.  I absolutely love men as a whole sexually and in everyother way - but ultimately I judge folks as individuals regardless of gender.  As to being sensitive, not particularly but aware, most definitely- I don't mess around when I see the signs that I am in the presence of someone who has prejudices and find away to distance myself from such a person. 

As for your statement about feminist's being willing to " honestly acknowledge and discuss men's issues as they relate to gender or womens issues." -  I have had many such discussions so am a bit confused by this statement.  

And trying to be gentle here - but, there does seem to be a thread of anger underlying your post...perhaps due to your  personal experiences??? I welcome clarification.

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 11:03:51 AM   
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Not at all about tearing down men but raising up women to be on equal status from a human rights standpoint.


Any woman living in the western world does not have to worry about basic human rights.  Father's rights, life expectancy, and quality of education are just a few examples of things women in general have the advantage. 

We are social animals, and we crave gender roles.  A just society assures that gender roles are distributed fairly.  I'm not going to get into a debate over which gender has move privilages.  I'm just saying that feminists are not interested and actively prevent a discussion on mens issues.  That's my personal experience based on what I see on the media, and from personal conversations.  I'm sure there are exceptions.

In my mind, these actions are a sign of underlying emotional issues.  Extreme liberals, conservatives, and religous people are just a few examples of other groups that have underlying emotional issues that prevent them from open and honest discussions.  These are all groups of people who can listen only to others with similar views.  They close out everyone else.

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And trying to be gentle here - but, there does seem to be a thread of anger underlying your post...perhaps due to your  personal experiences??? I welcome clarification.


I've also tried to discuss civil rights and animal rights, and received similar responses.  It's very easy to be dismissive of people who have different views than the mainstream.  I'm a buddhist by nature.  These tend to be topics that interest me.

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 11:24:29 AM   
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Hi Michael!
Have you seen our new 12 step book, The Story of X, how to stop hating men and love yourself? It's only $49.95..


no, i guess i must have missed that. as for hating myself, i don't. i just have a problem with the "typical" male mentality.

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Does anyone remember the "He Man Woman Hater's Club" from the Little Rascals?


i remember that.


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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 11:26:30 AM   
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You should be ashamed. I know you aren't, but...... you should.


nah, i'm not ashamed of myself. hate men, love women...problem?

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 11:30:12 AM   
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You should be ashamed. I know you aren't, but...... you should.


nah, i'm not ashamed of myself. hate men, love women...problem?

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Depends on how you define problem. Actually hating of all men is probably lowering your chances of finding a domme. Most women I know love their fathers, have male friends who they respect and love as a friend, some have brothers they love... so on and so forth. Those women, some dominant, some submissive, couldn't be bothered with a man who hated all men.

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 11:30:29 AM   
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oh, and by the way...i made a fresh pitcher of tea and got a large glass right off the bat...and some cheese and crackers

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 11:33:13 AM   
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Depends on how you define problem. Actually hating of all men is probably lowering your chances of finding a domme. Most women I know love their fathers, have male friends who they respect and love as a friend, some have brothers they love... so on and so forth. Those women, some dominant, some submissive, couldn't be bothered with a man who hated all men.


ok, allow me to narrow it down a bit then. i dislike the typical, sports-minded, weekend hunter and "god's gift to women" types, also, i don't care much for the drunkards aout there either...oh, and then there's the wife-beaters (non-lifestyle related beatings)

does that help some?


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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 11:38:38 AM   
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Depends on how you define problem. Actually hating of all men is probably lowering your chances of finding a domme. Most women I know love their fathers, have male friends who they respect and love as a friend, some have brothers they love... so on and so forth. Those women, some dominant, some submissive, couldn't be bothered with a man who hated all men.


ok, allow me to narrow it down a bit then. i dislike the typical, sports-minded, weekend hunter and "god's gift to women" types, also, i don't care much for the drunkards aout there either...oh, and then there's the wife-beaters (non-lifestyle related beatings)

does that help some?



Oh. So you hate what is actually a fairly small percentage men. Even most of the men that appear to fit that stereotype really don't if you actually sit down and talk to them. One of the reasons I switched from "redneck/country-nascar-hunter" types to geek types is because they were too friggin' respectful of me and I couldn't get them to pull my hair.

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 11:43:54 AM   
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most everywhere i go, someone's always asking me about the score of some damned game or other. since when does every male alive know such stupid things?

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 11:46:53 AM   
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I probably would have a house full of men serving me like proper worms if I had hatred of them in me, alas, I don't have a permanent servile boy I can beat, fuck, love, and hurt...   I definitely don't hate men, but have met/read plenty of profiles and statements indicating issues from Dom/mes and subs alike.
<<----Off to cry in the corner.
Wait what was the question again?

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 11:47:32 AM   
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As a novice dom one of the first things I figured out (from talking to sub women, as potential partners and also to get a better read on different wants and needs), was that they had *all* run across some seriously fucked up men while searching. And, as you say, this is a magnet for them - it's like one of those hunting preserves.
So I made a specific point of including a section of my profile on this and other sites making clear that I love and respect women and describing my motivations, as best I can understand them so far, but after much self-examination, and that they are not rooted in any "issues" with women.
BTW, a whole lot of pyschoanalyzing why I'm here and like to do this and that came down to - who the fuck knows why we like what we like. I'll have to settle for being confident I'm not here out of any need to abuse and degrade women - at least in any way not mutually enjoyable.
Hope that makes some kind of sense. I imagine we just keep figuring out more about ourselves and others as we go.


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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 12:12:46 PM   
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, a whole lot of psychoanalyzing
  I do al ot of this cause it keeps the bs out of my ds and that works for me.. Over the years it become easier to spot good people from trash and you know trash keeps costing me money and causing me grief so yeah i am very picky... I Stay with in balanced guidelines to better grow and live in harmonious enlighten fun and adventure...

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 12:22:00 PM   
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I'm gay, so I'm not a man hater by any means. And I don't hate women. They just aren't sexually attractive to me. I think BDSM attracts a small contingent of psychopaths, who hate people, not just males or females. We've all encountered the freaks who don't care if you're M/F. They want to tie you up, beat and torture the hell out of you, and can only get their rocks off when they see your blood. Somehow I don't see the vast majority of Dominants hating the sex they love to dominate.

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RE: Women/Men haters. - 7/28/2007 12:22:04 PM   
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most everywhere i go, someone's always asking me about the score of some damned game or other. since when does every male alive know such stupid things?


So? I don't really see how that is rude. Why do people ask me if something is in style. Since when does every woman alive memorize the complicated ins and outs of fashion? I'd much rather have  a Bud light and front row tickets to a basketball game then go to some haughty fashion show. Hell, I'm much more likely to be able to tell what was in style a hundred years ago then what's in style now. At those styles make sense to me!

Still, for whatever reason of gender preferences, men are more likely to know the score of the game and women are more likely to know what is in style. It's not meant to be offensive, it's just playing the odds.

(Ok I lied. I'd much rather have a Killian's or a jack on the rocks then a bud light. Do they serve whiskey at basketball games?)

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