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All Ownership is Conditional

Yes

78% (78)

14% (14)

I don't Know

3% (3)

both

4% (4)

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All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 9:36:25 PM

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So.. what do you think?

Is all Ownership Conditonal? and why?

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 9:42:01 PM

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IMO all consensual relationships are conditional- even if under no other condition than "Everyone involved wants to be involved" (which is a condition)

Although I think healthy relationships involve a few more conditions as well.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 9:46:32 PM

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Every relationship is conditional, upon whatever criteria each individual has for themselves. Saying that relationships are unconditional is as fantastical as saying that people have no limits.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 9:47:10 PM

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Even when ownership is non consensual (ie real historic legal slavery) that slavery is conditional to an extent. The options of suicide or run away were always there as a potential choice.
Records of various locations have shown that some places had higher incidence of both than others, thus I would contend that conditions existed where some folks chose suicide or runaway rather than submit to the conditions at hand. All people have a breaking point.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 9:49:33 PM

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Yeah I was just trying to avoid bringing the whole "a" word into the discussion at all (abuse)

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 9:50:46 PM

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*chuckles* nice to see three heavy hitters post right off the hop...

Yeah.. it was a easy question... but.. I am still amazed that a few would say No.

It's one of the few absolutes that exist.

yeah... All Ownership is Conditional!

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 9:51:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Even when ownership is non consensual (ie real historic legal slavery) that slavery is conditional to an extent. The options of suicide or run away were always there as a potential choice.
Records of various locations have shown that some places had higher incidence of both than others, thus I would contend that conditions existed where some folks chose suicide or runaway rather than submit to the conditions at hand. All people have a breaking point.

Yes it is conditional, as long as you have the power to chose.
This is one reason I don't believe in forced bi, or forced anything.
It is consensual or it is abuse and a crime.
No victims only volunteers, normally I hope.

Unless someone has a gun to your head, or you are being held against your will or blackmailed,
you always have a choice.
**You can also choose to be a slave, and give total control {in rare cases} to someone else.**
Even real slavery like this is conditional, because one day you might choose NOT to be a slave.
Very well stated Archer.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 9:56:41 PM

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Of course it is. I find it really interesting that a few people responded that they think it isn't. I would be very interested in having them explain further.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 9:58:15 PM

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I said yes, it is conditional. If I buy a television, I own it. It doesn't work, I dump it. So, the condition is .. television, you either keep working like you're supposed to or I dump you and I won't own you anymore. Once it goes in the trash, it becomes the property of the city refuse service and I no longer own it. I own my dog. It bites someone, I take it back to the pound or have it put down. I'll keep it as long as it behaves as it's trained and does what it's supposed to do.

Now, that's not to say that I won't try to get my television repaired before I just dump it. I spent good money which I had to work for to buy it, so it behooves me to keep it in good condition so that it runs as well as it's able to run. Also, I love my dog, so I'm going to put in all the time, effort and care necessary to ensure it never bites anyone or behaves in ways which are not appropriate to live in this house. If despite my best efforts it bites someone anyway, then away it goes. With ownership comes responsibility which, to my way of thinking is also a condition. To even get to the point of ownership, certain things have to happen. You had to work to earn money to buy your television. You have to live in a place that allows dogs, you had to come to an agreement to get your slave etc, etc.. and I do view all of those things as conditions of ownership. Even getting something, for example a birthday gift, well, you had to have a birthday to get it.. a condition of the gift.

I had a bit of trouble with the use of the word 'all', but I can't honestly think of an instance where there are zero conditions put on ownership. I'm open to the possibility that my own little universe is just too narrow to see some other picture but for right now, that's the way I see it.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 10:04:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Of course it is. I find it really interesting that a few people responded that they think it isn't. I would be very interested in having them explain further.

Okay I see that now on the poll also Erin, funny those that said it is NOT conditional did not write a response yet!

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 10:04:59 PM

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and a few more heavy hitters....

yeah.. I agree Erin.. I would like to someone on the "No" explain logically how ownership has no conditions.

and Celeste... I agree.. that "ALL" is a very big word in my world..... and it's not something to be thrown out lightly.. more often than not it gets shoved right back at you. However, 1+1=2 All the time. So.... it can happen. just not very often.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 10:06:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Of course it is. I find it really interesting that a few people responded that they think it isn't. I would be very interested in having them explain further.

Maybe we are reading different threads here, who stated that it was not conditional here?

See the results of the Poll.. there is a couple ticks on the No side.... and even a Both.. which I find very interesting

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 10:11:05 PM

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Thanks Knight, I noticed that and changed my response quickly!
I hope one of the "no's" or "boths" will post.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 10:48:28 PM

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Definitely conditional. I don't submit, he doesn't own me. It's simple math.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 10:56:28 PM

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I've got a steel collar thats locked on, a steel bracelet also locked on, not to mention a steel chastity device......these are all but symbols.....

The lady owns my heart, has done from the moment i first saw her 13/14 years ago, does now, always will.....my love for her is like a mothers love for a child.....unconditional...

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 11:20:28 PM

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Of course it is, you always have the choice to leave if its something you no longer want.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 11:21:16 PM

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All relationships are conditional on the people in them.
This lifestyle is no different.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/18/2007 11:56:39 PM

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Of course it is conditional, on a couple of factors in my opinion.

1) He remains the trustworthy person he is.
2) I am obedient.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 12:33:13 AM

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No, of course there are situations where its not conditional, people are taken all the time there, was a girl i heard of that was kept under a bed in a box she didnt have the option to run away or kill herself heck she couldnt even get the guy to kill her so she really had no options. You can not say it is an absolute, there are no absolutes.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 12:43:28 AM

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If she was kept in a box at all times, how did you hear about her? I think that we are talking about consentual relationships here. Even if the story were true, I doubt it was a consentual relationship.

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