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All Ownership is Conditional

Yes

78% (78)

14% (14)

I don't Know

3% (3)

both

4% (4)

Total Votes : 99

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 1:07:43 AM

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It is a true story, but perhaps I misunderstood the question, I will have to think about it more as it has started a debate between a friend and myself, actually kind of fun.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 1:16:42 AM

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Hello KoM
Have to say - I am a both.
I think that all relationships do have conditions upon them, but there are unconditional moments contained within any relationship. If there wasn't then compromise would not exist (if that makes any sense).

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 1:53:06 AM

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I am one of the people who voted 'unconditional'. 90% of the relationships that I have seen are just vanilla with some kink and a few rules. I believe if you are going to give power to the Dom/mme then give it don't make conditions. I have seen a few profiles on this site where absolute control is the norm. If I had a relationship then it would be all or nothing because anything less I can get off any street corner of any city on the planet......We are human beings and supposed to have a brain which dictates absolute boundaries ie: death etc. it is the human element and the pc brigade who have lowered all the standards. There may not be a right way but there is a better way.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 2:29:29 AM

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All ownership is conditional. In order to buy a house, certain financial criteria must be met. In order to own a car, certain criteria must be met and to actually drive that car, even more criteria must be met. Ownership of any thing brings responsibility of one sort or another. Ownership of a person is only more complex than ownership of a dog, a house, a car.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 3:24:34 AM

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No, of course there are situations where its not conditional, people are taken all the time there, was a girl i heard of that was kept under a bed in a box she didnt have the option to run away or kill herself heck she couldnt even get the guy to kill her so she really had no options. You can not say it is an absolute, there are no absolutes.

Even that is conditional. A couple of the conditions are until he gets caught by the authorities and they release her or until she dies. Death is a condition of life that none of us will escape.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 3:55:25 AM

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If a slave is willing to be owned this should be unconditional......owning a slave is very different from playing with a submissive - think you have to look at the point that if someone wishes to be a slave it would have to be an unconditional act as they are giving up their rights and the Owner then becomes responsible for that human slave. The slave and its Master/Mistress (Owner) then has to do the bidding of their owner unconditionally - is the slave to say "no Master I do not feel like doing that right now""""""".......my slave wouldn't dare to even think this. I expect unconditional service the only condition I have as the Owner is to ensure the wellbeing of the slave. The Owner is the person in the relationship that has a conditional agenda the slave doesn't.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 3:58:40 AM

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I agree with most of the people, ownership is conditional. A consensual relationship (of any type) between two sane and rational adults has to have some type of conditions upon it.
If you give yourself over to a Dominant as a slave and believe you have no rights at all but believe that Dominant should have a working brain to know the sane limits, then in your mind it is a condition. Would you leave if this person started to cross your own lines? If you thought that this person would ultimatley cause your demise would you leave? If you can answer yes to these, then you have put conditions on the relationship, voiced or not.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 4:07:31 AM

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Hi

i would say most relationships, even overship relationships are conditional, but a few are not, a few are pure, unconditional slavery, but those are very rare.

i wish you well

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 4:10:14 AM

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I think ownership is conditional. I know it is for R. If I don't meet certain conditions, he wouldn't keep me.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 4:21:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: nephandi

Hi

i would say most relationships, even overship relationships are conditional, but a few are not, a few are pure, unconditional slavery, but those are very rare.

i wish you well
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YEA!now we are getting somewhere,there are some of us who think and live outside the square.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 4:31:16 AM

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Yes I do think that unconditional is extremely rare, it is out there and I think most people who have lots of conditions are never willing to give up to another......totally

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 4:43:59 AM

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Hi

i think it is most common yes that pepole have conditions. i have conditions i would never give up. my religion for one, that is more inportant than my slavery any day. But i also think it is possible for pepole to be unconditional slaves, to simply be owned property and hold nothing back, but i think that there are very few that want that, even on a site like this.

i wish you both well

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 4:45:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: MistressBobbie

Yes I do think that unconditional is extremely rare, it is out there and I think most people who have lots of conditions are never willing to give up to another......totally

Have you ever had or heard of an unconditional ownership arrangement? And if so, by what means (ie: conditions) did the relationship end? Curious minds want to know.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 4:55:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

I would like to someone on the "No" explain logically how ownership has no conditions.

That was not the premise of the poll, as stated.

Choice #1 was to say "X is always true."
Choice #2 was to say "X is not always true."
Choice #3 was to say "I don't know.
Choice #4 was to say "X is always true, and not always true." (wtf?)

And explaining is probably pretty close to a ToS violation if you are going on the level of "well, it's conditional, because you can kill yourself". Quadraplegics would be hard pressed to do that, for instance. Several drugs can serve to prevent it. And so forth.

The problem here is that the "no" side will inevitably stray into a domain of consent which most here appear uncomfortable with in the long term: that of prior consent without present consent. Most jurisdictions hold this to be illegal. If willing to enter this domain, it is a question of how much effort you want to put into keeping the slave. But that position cannot be covered adequately due to ToS restrictions.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 4:55:50 AM

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All Ownership is Conditional

I wondered what even provoked this thought if ALL is such a broad and strong word and conditional seems to be debateable?

Who the hell OWNS other people other than in this sort of "lifestyle?"

My bro's and sis's would say they DO NOT own there spouse and no one can own another human being.

So based on WIITWD...ownership IS conditional.
Just as marriage is conditional on the flip side, altho it wasnt set up to be.

So how can ownership of another human being in WIITWD be set up to be totally unconditonal? Does one human being really own another?

Forget the jargon ~~ consensual and no consent ~~ legally no one owns another human being.

I think all of it boils down to the responsibilites of the D type and the s type, the type of control and the type of obedience. The way the relationship was set up.

I didnt vote but after thinking through my thoughts....
both.
My first D type from this site set us up to fail. Conditional.
My present D has set us up to succeed ... which makes me feel it is unconditonal.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 4:58:49 AM

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If she was kept in a box at all times, how did you hear about her? I think that we are talking about consentual relationships here. Even if the story were true, I doubt it was a consentual relationship.

The story, if it is the one I think it is, is covered in greater detail on Crime Library and other such sites.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 5:04:16 AM

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Ownership is conditional. i have hard limits that if crossed will mean that i am no longer going to be owned, that's a condition of ownership.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 5:04:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

Even that is conditional. A couple of the conditions are until he gets caught by the authorities and they release her or until she dies.

(Skipped the transhumanism debate.)
Not all places legislate against this kind of treatment.
And trying to turn it into a truism by death misses the point, I hope.
Otherwise, this poll is nothing but a semi-elaborate joke disguised as a topic.

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 5:20:02 AM

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My present D has set us up to succeed ... which makes me feel it is unconditonal.

That is how it is supposed to be.......

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RE: All Ownership is Conditional - 7/19/2007 5:28:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: HCWT1

I believe if you are going to give power to the Dom/mme then give it don't make conditions.

even the this is conditional....

I will own you if you IF you don't make any conditions.

The IF is what establishes the condition.

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