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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 3:51:55 PM

mrbob726

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Do as you wish - but I won't be there to watch.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 3:52:15 PM

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they say alcohol (and i'm sure certain drugs) amplify your nature. if you're mean, you'll get meaner. mellow, you'll get mellower. being a newbie and not having been to an event, i'd back away or just watch if i knew someone was under the influence.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 3:54:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

One can be 'under the influence' or 'inebriated' of/with control - I see no difference.
The difference is only when one is of usage and one is abuse of.

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I dont understand this.

Consumption of too much alchocol and usage of drugs causes a significant change to your mental processes and how and what decisions you make.

Techinically, I was still in control of my legs, but couldnt walk straight.

Techinically, I was still in control of my eyes, but had to use that control to close one of them so I wasnt seeing two of everything.

Techinically, I was still in control of all my behavior the night before, but somehow I kept waking up in strange places wondering "What the hell did I do?" or "Why the hell did I do that?" or "Who the hell are you?"

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 3:54:45 PM

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You would be neither considered or invited to watch.
We are picky...

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 3:56:31 PM

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It's a subject time and time again that has been debating and should be but let's not forget one thing.

Like it or not, the global BDSM community started in a leather bar, The Gold Coast in the late 50s. The Leather Bars even today are a place for socializing and grabbing a cocktail. Some use the leather bar as a cruising place for play partners from just vanilla smutty sex to hardcore play. Like it or not, this was where the first socials were in todays community. Even though many here don't relate to that especially since a traditional leather bar is gay, we are here today because of them.

We make the choices we want to make and play with who we want. We have our own parmeters and we decide what's right for us or not and should treat BDSM play like anything else we do with risks.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 3:57:17 PM

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when what others do effects what i do then yes... for example we are at a party someone drinking or on drugs does something stupid and someone dies from it guess what you now have cause and effect..no more play party not to mention dealing with empathy for that persons death. and police comming to your work among other places doing a investigation on accedental manslaughter because you were to stupid to use drugs or drink... it does effect everyone... one way or the other yep yep

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:00:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressGayle

actually, I think the words "under the influence" and "inebriated" have been used; which to Me means "too much" for whomever to stay in control...

Even within those terms is a range.. feeling a slight exhilarating glow from a shot of liqueur in one cup of coffee is 'inebriated'... so is falling down drunk.

Having enough medical pot to stave off nausea and pain is 'under the influence'.... so is experiencing LSD hallucinations.

Perhaps under the heading of control and safety, the discussion should be 'how much is too much?'

Personally, I don't drive, or scene, or do a lot of things under even the slightest influence, but I'm not comfortable making the leap from that to tossing about the implication that anyone who occasionally drinks to the point of mild intoxication is in the same category as a bad parent.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:00:59 PM

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Hello MR -

What is there not to understand? People are intoxicated by many, many things - including control and power. People define drugs - yet forget to include many other aspects that is addiction. It isn't the use that is the 'problem' it is the abuse of it.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:04:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: DarkDaddyZ

It's a subject time and time again that has been debating and should be but let's not forget one thing.

Like it or not, the global BDSM community started in a leather bar, The Gold Coast in the late 50s. The Leather Bars even today are a place for socializing and grabbing a cocktail. Some use the leather bar as a cruising place for play partners from just vanilla smutty sex to hardcore play. Like it or not, this was where the first socials were in todays community. Even though many here don't relate to that especially since a traditional leather bar is gay, we are here today because of them.

We make the choices we want to make and play with who we want. We have our own parmeters and we decide what's right for us or not and should treat BDSM play like anything else we do with risks.

I could care less about some gay dudes in the late 50's ....Trust me, I' m not here because of them.....Most of those dudes bit, sucked or deep throated the big one long ago. They are gone.....I never knew they even existed...

Fair thee well, my gay brothers of yesteryear, I tip these next few cocktails to you!

I have drove the Domidong while drunk...Results have varied.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:04:44 PM

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Thank you for clarification.

And I agree. I enjoy a couple of beers or a few glasses of wine from time to time.

My strong opinions in my first post were in regards to the "Cant walk or see straight, throwing up in the back of an alley" DRUNK.

To put it in party lingo, not buzzed or lit, but smashed, trashed, and blitzed.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:04:49 PM

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anything that takes away your ablity to react in a fast safe manner to a hostile or dangerous event to make correct judgments it is like a pilot of a plane.. no landing gear i am sorry let me have another drink i will get back to you on this rofl

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:05:13 PM

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Then dont have 'drugs' (which you have yet to define) at a play party.
Or don't attend a play party that have these undefined drugs.
If you believe that drugs are the only problem and are the only or the worst risks at a play party or in private setting - then I wouldn't trust someone who had that thought process anyway from a personal POV. It's not only a blinkered view, it's a dangerous one.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:06:07 PM

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Make sure nobody you play with is under the influence of antihistamines and aspirin either. Beadryl's warnings include drowsiness and should be avoided when using machinery - stay away from those TENS units. Aspirin use results in thinner blood, be careful if playing with anyone who uses it as it will increase bruising and may result in excessive bleeding.

There are 3 fraternity brothers sitting in state prison because of their excessive drinking hazing ritual. The drink they made their pledge drink? Water.

Ignorance kills - somtimes I wonder why dead bodies aren't strewn all over the streets.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:08:08 PM

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she didn't say "mild intoxication", she said "inebriated, even drunk." Sheesh. We haven't been talking about mild intoxication, we've been talking about being not in control of yourself and/or others.... ?!

But I do agree with you -- I don't drive, scene or do anything under the influence...

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:12:38 PM

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For the most part I agree with the last poster, There diffinatly is a diffence between having an energy drink, or one or even two alcoholic beverages and doing some of the "safer" playing technics. Versus getting tottaly Drunk or High, then hanging someone from the cealing and tearing them up with a singletail and all those other delicate and hard to control toys, while the submissive is gaged and blindfolded and,someone grabs a scalpel and. . . (insert favorite horror story end here) Plus while it might be somewhat safe to smoke (and I dont mean cigarets) in your home then get a spanking or have sex with your regular partner, bringing it out to the clubs or going to a BDSM club High is just something I wouldnt do. In most BDSM clubs or comunities showing up high is considered disrespectful, Actualy bringing it to a club will get you kicked out of most of them (permenantly) on the first offence. As I dont have enough experience with the stronger drugs to have an opinion bassed on experience. I'll just say beeing to far out of control would cause me as a sub to be more conservative of my play, but thats probably my paronoid nature. I definatly wouldnt want to play with a Dom who was Inebriated. Even sex with a kinky very drunk Dom (read sadist) can be scarry. Yeah play in the deep end if you want to just make sure you can swim. Where did that lifeguard go anyway? Dont forget to check first to make sure its deep enough to dive head wounds suck. (who hasnt read at least one newspaper acount of somone giving themselves a concussion and drowning/ almost drowning/ or paralizing themselves diving into a pool while drunk.) Oh and Dom's might want to keep in mind that in most places Drunk and high people cant legaly consent to much more then beeing given a ride home or to the hospital. With Drunk you Might have a chance of getting around that by asking them for consent while they are sober (before they drink anything alcoholic) As for if theyve had anything else well. . . I hope you trust your subs cuz its real easy for them to cry date rape if they have anything stronger in their systems, they might even belive it wasnt play when they go to the cops and say they were (forced). I mean no disrespect to any one who really HAS been raped UTI or otherwise. Just a precautionary tale for anyone who might not see how the lines could get blurry after ten shots of Tequilla or whatever else you can find to dull/blur/enhance the experience. Personaly I find the endorphins released in BDSM to be enough to mess with my head all by themselves. Without adding anything extra to the equation. As a side note most people on prescription drugs are in control of there senses enough to be safe playing, the ones that arent Id hope would be aware enough of it to be careful or abstain. Anyway, I hope my points came across as they are intended. As my opinion bassed on my experience only. A little moderation goes a long way.
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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:18:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressGayle

she didn't say "mild intoxication", she said "inebriated, even drunk." Sheesh. We haven't been talking about mild intoxication, we've been talking about being not in control of yourself and/or others.... ?!

But I do agree with you -- I don't drive, scene or do anything under the influence...

Or people could just say 'out of control drunk', and not reach for the 2 dollar words that may have a different meaning than intended.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:22:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Make sure nobody you play with is under the influence of antihistamines and aspirin either. Beadryl's warnings include drowsiness and should be avoided when using machinery - stay away from those TENS units. Aspirin use results in thinner blood, be careful if playing with anyone who uses it as it will increase bruising and may result in excessive bleeding.

There are 3 fraternity brothers sitting in state prison because of their excessive drinking hazing ritual. The drink they made their pledge drink? Water.

Ignorance kills - somtimes I wonder why dead bodies aren't strewn all over the streets.

Id like to here more about the pledge drink water story. Drinking too much water too fast can be extreamly dangerous, it can even kill you. Ive heard its even come into popularity as a way to commit suicide.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:25:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

I see this thread slippng into treating all drinking and drug use, as no different from the worst alcohol and drug abuse, which is not a useful way of dealing with real life.

Back about 7 yrs ago, I was speaking with a top, planning a trip to bottom. He told me he smoked, which I had no problem with. But when I got there, his house was filled with marijuana smoke.

It was a long drive. Out of State even.
I told him I was out of there cause he lied, and yes, I would have never agreed to come if I knew it was weed he smoke not tobacco.

He told me he would refrain. I told him it wasnt good enough, his house had second hand smoke everywhere. We went out to dinner while his sistercame to clean up and turn on the A/C and fan out the "fumes."

It was a long drive back home and I really didnt want to drive all the way back so I hesitantly agreed to stay.

But I did refuse to swallow his cum for which he spanked me. But I liked my safe word.

During the night, he left, about 2am. I got up and packed my bag.
Waiting for his return, I verbally let him have it, as he smelt of weed and his eyes were totalled red. As I left, with only 2 hrs sleep, he made comment about the fact he'd had a great time doing coke when he was gone.

I didnt hear from him again.

About one month ago, I was visible on YIM when a very familiar screen name popped up and greeted me. I struggled with it and FINALLY it dawned on me who it was.

I gave him some tongue lashing to which he admitted he didnt appreciate but deserved it.

He told me a story of having been in a terrible, near fatal accident about one week after I left his place. He'd been comatose for 18 months and in rehab facilities ever since and only recently had he been able to live on his own.
He was high when he had the accident.

I blocked him.

Sir's girl, who has occasionally acted like a fool when even slightly anebriated.

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:41:31 PM

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Here we go demonizing alcohol and drugs...I used to smoke weed, but I personally choose not to 'dull' my senses when I want the scene to be 'sensory overload' and alcohol--I am silly with two, so my personal choice is to refrain...you should be demonizing the butholes who abuse the substances and use the substance as an excuse for abusing their partners...oh, and yes I have played with partners who have had a drink or two

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RE: Drugs in the lifestyle - 7/23/2007 4:47:23 PM

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legally you cannot consent to sex once your blood alcohol level has passed a certain point, and much less when you involve certain other drugs, be they illegal street, perscription or over the counter drugs...what makes you think you can make a decision of informed consent (which i would venture to say this lifestyle is based on) to be involved in a BDSM activity once you reach that point?
no, i'm not talking about the person that drinks a glass or two of wine with dinner (unless its a 32 oz glass), or the person that smokes half a joint for medical reasons...but you know that...just let the person you're playing with know that too, so if they are not comfortable they can make a descision of informed consent...

chelle - who doesn't drink or do any drugs cause she breaks out in crack pipe burns when she does...

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