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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 2:59:53 AM   
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 Okay first off, how many of you girls are playing with married men that that happens to be your immediate assumption? And Jesus Christ everybodys so quick to tell people to jump out of a moving car here. 

(assuming = bad bad bad, I would expect people giving advice to know better.)

I want to know two things from the OP.

1. Just to quell some other posters on this thread. Is your dom involved heavily with another person in addition to you? we're talking wife or deep relationship with someone else.

2. This is more my question. Exactly how many times did you contact him since he gave you this "certian task"? I dont mean how many questions or just seeing him online. I want to know exactly how many phone calls, text messages and how many IMs you made to him from then to now, do not generalize.

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 3:24:20 AM   
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Unless he told you to not have any contact from him until you finished your task, I would say you might want to think about moving on.  It really does sound like he is married or otherwise "involved" from what little you told us about him.   Wives or SO's often find out.  Or he could have another play partner he is spending time with & doesn't want to interrupt her visit.  If he has signed on, chances of any real harm coming to him are slim.  I don't like the idea of you just dropping in. What would that prove except that you don't trust him, which you already don't, given that you have come here to post your concern. 

And if you can't trust a Dominant you are supposed to be involved with, why would you want to allow him to hold your life in his hands?  What we do isn't exactly always safe.  Trust is vital to your health, well-being & your life. 

Now if he told you he was involved, that might be a little different.  If you accepted that, & are finding it difficult to handle the situation, you do have a choice to walk away.  Being that he hasn't contacted you, I would say you are well within your rights to just walk away with no further contact towards him, but I would suggest not allowing him any more power over you to bring you to his level. A note saying you are no longer interested & sticking to your decision should be sufficient. 

There are alot of people who want their cake & want to be able to eat it too, which would be nice, but is in truth, usually unrealistic.  They like the security they have in their relationship, but not the dynamics.  Some of them are nagged & hen pecked, & it is great to have something on the side, especially, a D/s relationship where there is someone to always take them at their word, & never nag, & will worship & hang on their every word.  Some of them get shot down for even suggesting anything sexual outside their SO's considered norm, & it is great to have a D/s relationship where they will get their fantasies & desires played out. The reasons go on & on.  Yet, there are still plenty of people out there who want & are seeking the best of both worlds.  The tricky part is trying to find each other. 

(I used fast reply because the regular post reply takes forever to load up.  This post is not meant to be directly in response to anyone in particuliar, but to the original post by the op.)


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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 4:58:13 AM   
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<Or sit around and wait, something I told him I wouldn't do. >

sounds like you made yourself clear in the beginning > and he made his choice, by his actions...
 
you already know your own answer : )  move on...its what you want to do, you don't need us to tell you that.  why compromise what your sensability and sense of SELF is telling you is right, or not right, for you...  ?
 
  "mind games" < a time and place for them I suppose..but NOT in the beginning of establishing the trust and foundation of a dominant/submissive relationship.
 
always go with your gut : )
 
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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 5:29:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SubinMaine

Honestly...

This Dom gave her a "task" to do...she needed clarification on a few points and emailed Him for that.  He did not reply.  She followed up with a "did i piss you off?" email because He didn't answer her question.  Again, He did not reply.  He was online (which shows He had the opportunity to reply...yet He didn't) and signed off as soon as she signed on.

No matter if the man is married or not, or has big projects He's working on, whatever.  They WERE in a D/s relationship and any Dom worth their salt will clarify the task they've given their sub. Even moreso, knowing the sub is worried would, at the very least, warrant a short "everything's fine, very busy, will get back to you soon" email.  It doesn't matter how "long" they've beein in the relationship for...the beginning of the relationship is normally used to build trust.  This behaviour does not bring out trustworthy "feelings" for the OP. 

Yes, 4 days isn't a long time IF He'd bothered to at least answer her "need clarification" email...the fact that He didn't and would rather her sweat out the completion of her task and worry (setting her up to fail the task)...speaks volumes.

OP...you DESERVE better.  If this is a pattern of behaviour, take it as a red flag.  Go with your gut. If you want to wait a while longer, it won't hurt anything, or you can cut your losses and find a Dom that will treat you with the courtesy you deserve.



Oh yea... and of course he's a real rat-bastard if he actually wants her to do what she's supposed to do without all the clarification - if he wants to see if she can actually <gasp> think for herself, be resourceful, be confident. THAT would be just so... mean of him to actually presume she could be counted on to act like.... let me see.... an adult.

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 5:51:00 AM   
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The bottom line is that clarification or not, marriages and/or other involvements or not, troubles in life, etc or not, her decision to stay or leave is up to her. It's not HIS decision to make. He gets to be the one to make that kind of decision for himself. And all the fault-finding regarding him in the world won't change that.

But then, perhaps that's a bit too much to expect. Afterall personal responsibility seems to be quite the illusive mythical thing sometimes, especially when it's far too easy to say "he did (or didn't) __________, so I don't know what to do...boo hoo.

And yes, I've had my panic attacks regarding my Master in the beginning too, and I begged and pleaded with him to change his tactics. Guess what...

He didn't listen to me (that mean guy!). And he kept right on doing what he was going to do. *I* had to cry and all that other crappy stuff till I realized that in the end, it's MY decision to stay or go and I looked at what was good and what was difficult and decided that the difficult wasn't all that difficult and the good was even better and stuck it out. It was hard hard HARD work. The result of it all though is a) he doesn't just disappear anymore b) I've learned to rely on myself to do the things he tells me to do c) I've become much more resourceful d) I've become someone he can have confidence in regarding things that are important to him e) I've become someone who has confidence in herself.

In the end, the OP and others who find themselves in this boat really do have to sit down and ask themselves important questions like "can I do what he wants me to do?" "Is how he works a way that overall, I can be comfortable with? Can I submit?" And if the answer is no, then perhaps walking away is something that should be considered. But making it somehow the responsibility of the dominant to sort out all the details just isn't how some of those guys work.

Besides, I gotta say, if I told my 19 year old, significantly delayed daughter to sweep the kitchen floor, I am NOT going to tell her "ok, do this corner first, then that corner, then the other." I'm going to make sure she knows how to use a broom and then, I'm going to turn her lose on that floor so that she can make her own decisions as to how to accomplish this task. I'll help her get what she missed later with lots of comments about how she did this and that right along the way. That way, she learns how to DO it, not just follow directions.And when she gets it right, her rewards will have been earned, not just accomplished. Sweeping the floor is as hard for her to do as some of tasks we're given as submissives. I am developing within her independent thinking. It doesn't change her relationship to me in the least but it does build her self confidence. You might want to consider the benefits of such a method when employed by dominants out there and not be so quick to jump to the conclusion that he's some sort of loser.

Consider this. How much farther is the drop to one's knees when that person knows she doesn't HAVE to do so, but chooses to do it than the drop to one's knees because they can't think themselves out of a paper bag? And how much more enticing is it to a dominant out there to have the person who knows she can manage very well on her own out there choose to submit. There really ARE those dominants out there for whom those kinds of women are the most intriguing - because then, they can be exactly who they are - not someone's stand-in for their parent.

If you have no idea what he's doing, can't reach him and he's appearing to avoid you, then for goodness sake make a decision. Either stay or go. If you are going to go, then go. If you're going to stay, then get busy, clarification or not, and do the things you were told to do. It IS that simple.


juliet


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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 6:00:52 AM   
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In the end do what you want to do.  4 Days I have gone longer than that seeing or talking to my girls and we live in the same house. 

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p.s. before anyone ask the reason is i own 2 companies and sometimes it just a little bit busy. 

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 6:03:51 AM   
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quote:

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In the end do what you want to do.  4 Days I have gone longer than that seeing or talking to my girls and we live in the same house. 

Eric

p.s. before anyone ask the reason is i own 2 companies and sometimes it just a little bit busy. 


Yup...that's precisely what I meant. It's not HIS decision to stay or go - it's HERS.

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 6:05:26 AM   
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They obviously feel differently about the relationship so she needs to figure out what she's willing to accept from Him.  If it were a simple thing like "thinking for herself" isn't it agreeable that he at least let her know that?  Avoiding her is not the way to build trust.

Yes, it IS her decision...but she asked for opinions...i just gave her mine...everyone is entitled to give her their own and there's bound to be differences among those opinions...ultimately she will have to decide how SHE is going to handle the situation.  That I agree with 100%.


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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 6:09:33 AM   
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It appears to me that you need a "hold your hand through everything" kind of dominant and that you want consistent contact to feel safe in the relationship.  From what you have told us, it doesn't sound like he wants to be that kind of dominant.  Maybe he wants someone more independant minded and self reliant.   The fact that you told him you would not sit around and wait tells me it's either a fear you have or it has happened to you before, not a good way to start off a relationship - anticipating and making arrangements for it  if it happens again.  Or is this a pattern you know he has from his past?  In this case, you shouldn't be surprised at what has happened.   

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 6:41:57 AM   
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I have not been reading the message boards for very long and am not wanting to have my opinions disliked but I suppose that is life. I have to agree with julietsierra in a lot of what she has said. One being that I get the impression our OP knows why she cannot pop in to see him and has agreed to it. That does not mean I am taking the side of dump him OR wait a little longer, I am simply saying make a decision on your own because you are the only one who knows what is going to be right for you. We do not know enough details in my opinion to be able to give valid advice. RumTiger asked for some clarification, I too would like to see her response. We could sit here all week and take guesses as to his marital status AND his motivations, we really have no idea. My ex-husband's girlfriend died suddenly just a couple of weeks ago. He has been trying to clean out her computer in order to keep her family from finding anything that they may not want to see. He did not know how to keep her IM programs from signing on every time he got online. I had to help him. For a week, she logged into them every time he turned on the computer. I can only imagine how that looked to her friends who knew she was gone. I am not in any way trying to insinuate that something like this has happened to this man, just stating that anything could have happened, including the scenario where he has moved on without the integrity of letting her know. Given the little & one sided information we have, it is too hard to comment one way or another. As a submissive woman myself, I would say she can choose to do the assignment to the best of her abilities and feel good about it, send it to him. Then see what happens. Or she can walk away now.

I personally prefer the dom who stands by his convictions and continues to expect what he expects from me, which hopefully is full of high standards that I may fear I cannot live up to. In the end I walk away feeling closer to him, learning more about myself and filled with confidence. And btw to the OP, I do not do well with abandonment myself which is why I say it is a decidion you alone have to make based upon what is best for you.

I would also like to put this out there: Since joining the message boards I have often read posts and had the sinking feeling that some submissives AND dominants have posted complaints or questions about an incident in hopes of getting sympathy and understanding. Not that I do not understanding wanting folks in your corner when you are feeling down but, well....I dislike feeling manipulated that way. OP I am NOT saying that is what you've done btw. I truly do hope you come back and clear up some questions for us!

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 7:02:54 AM   
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I happen to agree with Maine.  Mostly because I don't believe the OP wouldn't have started this thread if the doms behavior were in step with what she'd come to expect from him.  Which means he's done a sudden shift in behavior.  Without explanation.  That's GOING to lead to problems, especially in a new budding relationship.

I'm just not seeing a reasonable answer for why he couldn't have given ANY response at all- again not even a one liner of "Emergency crap, will talk later." 

If a person isn't considerate enough of our relationship and security to do that...they don't care enough for me to continue.

It's not about "He's the dom, therefore he gets to act like a prick and I have to deal with it"  It's about "What makes a relationship work?  What expectations have already been established as reasonable and who is not holding up to them?"

A dom who can't let me know what's going on when he's agreed to be my dom and agreed to stay in regular contact with me says that his words do NOT match with his actions.  Whether he feels it's over or not, it's over for me.

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 7:09:01 AM   
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Quick reply:

For as long as I have known R he as always come and gone as he pleased, he wasn't married, he wasn't involved with anyone else. He just didn't care to have to check in that is one reason he owned me. When he goes away he doesn't call sometimes 4-5 days, sometimes a full week. He can be reached by cell or or his blackberry if something happens. He doesn't answer his phone either..he sends me to voicemail, if it is serious he calls back. It has always been this way. The only change is now my son is gettng older and worries about him so he and the kiddo have an e-mail thing where R sends him a quick e-mail everyday letting him know he is OK...he understands the kid needs that. Four days wouldn't be long enough for me to think something was wrong.



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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 8:49:22 AM   
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Chewsie, 

Your reply was helpful to me.  Four days would be excrutiating for me with no word at all.  Sometimes I get a one-liner or very quick call here & there for a few days or so and I find that most difficult, for reasons we've explored and I now understand.  But with no word at all I would fret with worry that something happened.  Somewhere in me since early childhood there has always been an anxiety that has cropped up, that someone really important in my life is going to disappear/die suddenly and I won't know about it for days.  I don't know where that came from, but it's been there as long as I can remember.   But your calmness about it in your most recent thread helped a bit.  I'm not sure how, but it did.  :)

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 9:38:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I happen to agree with Maine.  Mostly because I don't believe the OP wouldn't have started this thread if the doms behavior were in step with what she'd come to expect from him.  Which means he's done a sudden shift in behavior.  Without explanation.  That's GOING to lead to problems, especially in a new budding relationship.

I'm just not seeing a reasonable answer for why he couldn't have given ANY response at all- again not even a one liner of "Emergency crap, will talk later." 

If a person isn't considerate enough of our relationship and security to do that...they don't care enough for me to continue.

It's not about "He's the dom, therefore he gets to act like a prick and I have to deal with it"  It's about "What makes a relationship work?  What expectations have already been established as reasonable and who is not holding up to them?"

A dom who can't let me know what's going on when he's agreed to be my dom and agreed to stay in regular contact with me says that his words do NOT match with his actions.  Whether he feels it's over or not, it's over for me.


Hi LA,

I think what's missing, though, is that not all Doms will fit the mold for what you or I expect him to be.  I don't get the impression that these elements were established very clearly between them. 

Chewsie,

Thank you for the insight.

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 9:57:34 AM   
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Agreed.

If a dom doesn't want to talk to his sub for a month at a time, I'm perfectly cool with that- IF that's what they agreed upon and set up expectations for within the relationship.

If you've set up a reasonable expectation in the sub that you will talk every day, and that you will respond to their requests and concerns on a nearly daily basis, and you've told the sub that this is what they can expect and what the relationship will be like- and THEN don't talk to them for a month, then that's not cool.  I don't care if you are a master- that's what INFORMED consent is about.

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 11:06:46 AM   
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It's a cool topic in all actuality....It shows the range of a "relationship" that different people are willing to accept....Where one person might view a Dom who "Houdinis" for days at a time as wanting a sub that is more independent or self reliant.....

Others have simply agreed to this type of relationship because they are "owned" and it seems that they have no need for input and feel that their voice or thoughts have no worth.

It really is kind of interesting....It goes to how there is no concept of community out here because we are all such different people with views that are all too often in direct contrast with one another.

How can someone give advice to end such a relationship if she is perfectly cool with the thought that this type of behavior is okay?.....Not saying that "this" sub is ok with it, but it appears from several posts that others would be fine with that approach. 

It just goes to show what type of value people place on their relationships and possibly themselves as well.

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 11:16:23 AM   
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My only issue, is that in this particular situation, because the relationship is still pretty new (by her account) there hasn't been a chance to establish what the expectations are and arent.  There are so many factors involved in negotiating a relationship, 'how often you normally will keep contact' isn't usually the first on the list.

I don't see the D/s dynamic having any real role in this particular case.  I think it's more about a relationshp with early stage growing pains.

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 11:17:19 AM   
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Okay first off, how many of you girls are playing with married men that that happens to be your immediate assumption? And Jesus Christ everybodys so quick to tell people to jump out of a moving car here. 

(assuming = bad bad bad, I would expect people giving advice to know better.)

I want to know two things from the OP.

1. Just to quell some other posters on this thread. Is your dom involved heavily with another person in addition to you? we're talking wife or deep relationship with someone else. 

He is divorced, but there is no one else as far as I know. I have been to his house. I have seen where his children sleep. I have done his dishes, he has cooked me breakfast, I have slept in his bed.

2. This is more my question. Exactly how many times did you contact him since he gave you this "certian task"? I dont mean how many questions or just seeing him online. I want to know exactly how many phone calls, text messages and how many IMs you made to him from then to now, do not generalize.

I had been sending him a good night and good morning texts. So thats eight, plus two emails, and two phone calls. plus some little texts about finishing the Harry potter book and going out with a friend. I do know that he has other priorties, more important ones to. Im not going to call him ten times a day crying to him. I have learned my lesson there it doesnt help any.  I know its only four days, but since we have started talking, it is the longest we have gone with no communication at all. I was worried.

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 11:28:22 AM   
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Hi DG,

I don't think communities have an obligation to carry one single acceptable standard.  Rather, they are a collection of individual drawn together by similar goals and interests.  How those goals or interests are realized, won't (and shouldn't) always be a consensus.

Have a great day,

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RE: help... - 7/27/2007 4:06:55 PM   
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It's okay to disagree Stephann *smile*

i'm just the type of person who thinks if a Dom gives a task, they should be ready and willing to clarify.  It appears he doesn't care if she fails.  And the fact that He was online and had the opportunity to do so, shows He doesn't put too much importance on the relationship.

That's all fine and well, but if He's not concerned and the relationship is to Him (by actions) "casual", then that isn't really a good match for the OP who views it as a little bit "more" (or at least wants it to be more)...she SHOULD find someone who wants the same thing she does.

I'm not saying the OP is faultless....could be they made a "casual" arrangement and she's hoping for more...and setting herself up to fail as well...

That make sense? ugh...need more coffee...



Perhaps he specifically wants to see how she does it without clarification....I don't believe she's told us what the task is (and if it's personal, shouldn't have to), and it might be something he wants her to work out on her own. Maybe he just wants her to work for it.


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