thompsonx
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My point is, his law didn't really make any new rules, he just provided consequences for breaking the existing laws...
There are already penalties for breaking the law.
Maybe, but deportation has become at best, a "catch&release" recycling program for criminals, and at worst, a revolving door that DESERVES to be a laughingstock for foreign criminals! Do you accept termites moving into your house, or do you call a "removal specialist"?
I may not be the best person to ask about termites...I live in an appliance box in the middle of the mojave desert where 125 degree temps discourage termites, but I do understand your point. If you are talking about criminals in the normal sense (rape,pillage and plunder) those folks need a visit to the cross bar motel. If you are classifying an undocumented worker as a criminal then my question is what do you want to do? If you want to "exterminate" them we could probably get the plans for the ovens from AG Farber (I think they were the oven makers for Hitler) but we would need quite a few more than he had since there about a hundred million poverty stricken people south of the boarder. While that would solve your catch and release problem it most likely would generate a lot of bad press. If the politicians just did to those who employed then what they do to whores and dope dealers then the demand would end and there would be no more undocumented laborers. Of course that would most likely raise the cost of labor to the point where citizens would take the jobs now taken by slaves.
Why is he "the bad guy" for that?
He is the bad guy because he is trying to make unpaid cops out of ordinary citizens. If you are a property owner and someone comes to rent a house or an apartment from you how do you verify that they are citizens of this country. If you make a mistake you could lose your property.
Well, you CAN look up Social Security numbers, and make sure it matches the person who's applying. If the person's number is marked as "dead", or another state/race/etc., that becomes a very good clue...My own identity was recently "assumed" by an outsider, but they caught him: A 230-some pound illegal in New York using my identity is very likely NOT the same as 184-pound Caucasian in Missouri...
As a land lord or potential employer just how would you go about checking their social security number. Are you suggesting that a person who is not white cannot have a name like Jones or Smith or any other Anglo sounding name and what of Latino citizens how do we know that Jose Martinez is this one or that one. As I mentioned previously there is no such thing as a forgery proof ID. So how do we go about telling the true citizen from the not true citizen?
(Make any parenting jokes you like...This DOES sound like Dr. Phil's parenting advice...and hundreds of other "experts": Provide consequences for misbehavior--and actually follow through with it...Of course, a site about Doms and subs might not be a good place to discuss consequences, right?)
And the Constitution already SUPPORTS it...Secondarily, doesn't American law only apply to Americans?
Actually it applies to everyone who is here except perhaps politicians.
Are you saying then, that occupancy confers ownership? Do I own your house/car/boat as soon as I enter it?
Having the law apply to everyone equally is not the same thing and I am sorry if you perceive it that way.
Or at least those who don't "feel" the law applies to them also don't get its protections?
Well by extension that might include any law breaker like speeders or those who smoke in non designated areas...so if they were not protected by the law then the cops could just shoot them.
Smoking isn't really a LAW except in fuel dumps.
I am afraid you are mistaken...there are SO many places where it is illegal to smoke besides fuel dumps.
..for semi-obvious reasons...and oddly, most insurance policies have "weasel clauses" that provide exemptions "if involved in commission of a felony"!
I would agree that if you use your car in the commission of a felony and crash it in the process the insurance may be able to weasel out of paying you for it...but then who knows how skillful of a lawyer you might hire.
Do you or do you not advocate shooting of those who enter your property without your permission?
If you think you have the right to shoot someone because they are on your property without your permission I would beg you to consult an atourney as soon as possible. Simple trespass seldom confers the authority to respond with lethal force. As for what I would advocate...I have killed all the people I plan on killing for the rest of my life. I have been out of the military for thirty some years and in all that time I have never had a serious enough reason to take another mans life...
If the BORDERS were enforced, this would be a non-issue!
But they keep entering, expecting amnesty, and lately, arrogantly DEMANDING rights that are supposed to be reserved for citizens
Perhaps you would tell me just what they are demanding.
You might want to acquaint yourself with the background of Latinos in the U.S. you may find some of your ideas are less than accurate.
...And then they want us to provide schooling, food, even official documents in THEIR language, at no cost to them--the taxpayers foot the bill!
If I come into your store and give you money for goods am I not entitled to them? Property taxes pay for schools so if one lives most anyplace besides under a bridge then they pay property taxes either directly with their mortgage or indirectly with rent which goes to pay the mortgage.
We have no official language in this country so it is the governments job to make itself understood to all of its citizens.
The big question here is how can we tell if someone is really a citizen.
Social Security numbers and linguistic fluency are good gauges...231 years should be JUST long enough for immigrants, with or without consent, to learn American English, right?
Well I have been to Boston and it took me a while to understand those folks and I have been to Louisiana and I am here to tell you that Cajun, while beautiful to listen to, is damn near undecipherable. I lived in east Texas as a child and I defy anyone to explain the difference between y'all and all o y'all...but those who speak it claim there is a difference.
The U.S. did not spring full grown 231 years ago. We took every inch of this country (with the possible exception of Alaska) at the point of a gun. We have made promises to those whom we have signed treaties with and broken every one of them...The word of the U.S. government is not worth spit.
I still have my original social security card....it says right on it "not to be used for identification". We were promised when we allowed social security to become law that it would never be used as a national ID.,, so much for another promise from the federal government.
Consent is the real issue here...We don't mind helping, but ASK FIRST, and in LIMITED QUANTITIES.
Did we ask Mexico? Did we ask Hawaii?Did we ask Spain?
..Much like you wouldn't mind giving money to the homeless,
I do not give money to the homeless.
but you wouldn't open your home to unlimited numbers of them, right?
Any one who wants to come live here with me is more than welcome....The closest paved road is two miles away. The closest power line is six miles away. The closest water source is fifteen miles away. The closest real town is thirty miles away. As for stealing my stuff ...just point out the pile of rusty iron crap you are enamored of and I will help you load it.
And if you do, you could fully expect small, valuable items--especially electronics and jewelry--to turn up "missing"
The closest thing I have to jewelry I have is a set of dog tags that I have modified into a roach clip.
. In America at large, we have "assisted housing", "free" medicine and schooling, etc
I have noticed that we have a lot of welfare for the rich in my country but the poof get pretty much the left overs.
...But the taxpayers still pay for it, and therefore, illegals ARE a net loss, since they breed more, and therefore take more, than they put in.
As I have pointed out before that is not true.
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