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Level -> Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 5:13:22 AM)
CBS) Like most American cities, Columbia, South Carolina, has its share of problems, but nothing prepared the Sheriff Leon Lott for what his department discovered last August. Four U.S. Marines – who proudly snapped pictures of each other – were recruiting local kids, some as young as 13, into the Crips street gang. The leader was a lance corporal. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/29/eveningnews/main3108597.shtml

pahunkboy -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 5:33:57 AM)
we in small town [12,000 ppl] are SO trying to keep the gangs out. just last night there was a big fight at the burger king. again. 3 small riots too this summer alone.

farglebargle -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 5:37:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level CBS) Like most American cities, Columbia, South Carolina, has its share of problems, but nothing prepared the Sheriff Leon Lott for what his department discovered last August. Four U.S. Marines – who proudly snapped pictures of each other – were recruiting local kids, some as young as 13, into the Crips street gang. The leader was a lance corporal. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/29/eveningnews/main3108597.shtml Exactly what kind of soldiers do you expect the military to produce when lead by someone without Honor and Integrity? Since Bush can't even enforce discipline in the White House, how are any of the troops supposed to gain esprit d corps?

Alumbrado -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 6:13:24 AM)
In a land of citizen soldiers, this story is not news... gangs and individual criminals have found a home in the military community for many, many years. As far as benefitting from the military training, I'm chalking that up to hype. Becoming an urban gang member is already a pretty rigorous process, and weapons skills have never been the exclusive province of active duty troops.

Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 6:25:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado In a land of citizen soldiers, this story is not news... gangs and individual criminals have found a home in the military community for many, many years. As far as benefitting from the military training, I'm chalking that up to hype. Becoming an urban gang member is already a pretty rigorous process, and weapons skills have never been the exclusive province of active duty troops. in the land of citizen soldiers? whats that supposed to mean? As compared to what a land of foreign soldiers? every army picks soldiers from their citizenry, you cant expect iranians for instance to join our armed forces to fight for the usa. the difference is that soldiers are properly trained to shoot, survival techniques etc etc as compared to gangbangers whoi are lucky they know which end of the gun is which.

came4U -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 6:57:04 AM)
Nutty militia groups from every place on the face of the earth has benefitted from having a few active leaders who had previous duty experience. The FBI watches them just as much equally, yet they seem extra paranoid when the 'monsters' that US policy has created (both the black man forced into poverty and US. Marines just doing what they have learned). The average Marine keeps his training under wraps for a rainy day once gone from active duty. But, give him/her a situation of duty (foreign or domestic) or life and death, you/somebody will get hurt. Semper fi. Once a marine, always a marine. Besides these guys (training Crips) aren't active duty any longer as far as I read. Are they are supposed to forget all they have learned? They never forget lol, that is the purpose of their entire long, drawn out, tortourous training. If a Crip member had formal university training in bio-chem are we to know that beforehand and yank him out of classes? LOL. This is a free country last time I looked, what job experience you gain from such institutions and how you use it would hopefully be for good and not evil. This isn't the first or the last time this has occured (former military training used to do numerous illegal activities from bank robberies to arms/drug dealing). For God sakes Iran-Contra was done from the inside LOL, with free and unlimited license. If it weren't for certain snoopy journalism Oliver North would have never been caught. In this case, it is merely white man's fear of the underclass, fear of the oppressed in that by Gods 'they' might have learned some organizational skills (american made)that we have used on other underclasses on 'us'. Not to mention we wouldn't want the Crips to learn emergency medical practices either ..whew, they might be able to save their own on the way to hospital. That should be top secret info right there. LOL puleaaaaaaaaase.

RosaB -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 7:07:55 AM)
Level, I saw that story on the news. Frightening to say the least. It may not be news to some, but, it was alarming to me watching the manuvers one of the gang members was using, while he was shooting it out on the streets with members of the police force. Watching the story was enough to cause me to be concerned about how some gang members are increasingly signing up in the military, specifically, for the purpose of aquiring the training primarily to enhance their skills for control over turf and for committing crimes in their neighborhoods. The criminal populas of recruits in the military may not be new, but the combat skills being used for the everyday thugs are certainly being improved via this medium and that in my mind is cause for concern. Rosa

Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 7:11:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: came4U Nutty militia groups from every place on the face of the earth has benefitted from having a few active leaders who had previous duty experience. The FBI watches them just as much equally, yet they seem extra paranoid when the 'monsters' that US policy has created (both the black man forced into poverty and US. Marines just doing what they have learned). The average Marine keeps his training under wraps for a rainy day once gone from active duty. But, give him/her a situation of duty (foreign or domestic) or life and death, you/somebody will get hurt. Semper fi. Once a marine, always a marine. Besides these guys (training Crips) aren't active duty any longer as far as I read. Are they are supposed to forget all they have learned? They never forget lol, that is the purpose of their entire long, drawn out, tortourous training. If a Crip member had formal university training in bio-chem are we to know that beforehand and yank him out of classes? LOL. This is a free country last time I looked, what job experience you gain from such institutions and how you use it would hopefully be for good and not evil. This isn't the first or the last time this has occured (former military training used to do numerous illegal activities from bank robberies to arms/drug dealing). For God sakes Iran-Contra was done from the inside LOL, with free and unlimited license. If it weren't for certain snoopy journalism Oliver North would have never been caught. In this case, it is merely white man's fear of the underclass, fear of the oppressed in that by Gods 'they' might have learned some organizational skills (american made)that we have used on other underclasses on 'us'. Not to mention we wouldn't want the Crips to learn emergency medical practices either ..whew, they might be able to save their own on the way to hospital. That should be top secret info right there. LOL puleaaaaaaaaase. Why would the fbi watch militia groups? After all a "citizens militia" IS called for in the constitution or are you syaing that the framers of the constitution is nuts too? One question i would really like you to answer is who is watching the nutty feds? Good point. i think we should start training all the gangbangers in military techniques, and dont forget to ban those gun toting us citezens while you are at it. If you think this is a free country you havent looked very hard or it has been well over 100 years since you looked. Oh yeh Ollie, "the fall guy". Besides our cia does not do anything illegal or unconstitutional.

Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 7:13:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RosaB Level, I saw that story on the news. Frightening to say the least. It may not be news to some, but, it was alarming to me watching the manuvers one of the gang members was using, while he was shooting it out on the streets with members of the police force. Watching the story was enough to cause me to be concerned about how some gang members are increasingly signing up in the military, specifically, for the purpose of aquiring the training for the primarily to enhance their skills for controll and for committing crimes in their neighborhoods. The criminal populas of recruits in the military may not be new, but the combat skills being used of the everyday thugs are certainly being improved via this medium and that in my mind is cause for concern. Rosa yep and there should be an amendment that requires us to bear arms! not just a right to bear. LOL

came4U -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 7:18:41 AM)
The marines, navy, army and airforce has been talking street hoodlums since Moses. well, except for the College boys they need for officers.[8\|] The guy is a lance corporal, wowzer, basicly he is teaching only what he learned from bootcamp, he is a few months past being a PFC. I wouldn't panic, could be worse...oh oh, the Pathers have the real edumacated guys LOL. Deal with it. This isn't newly fabricated anger distilling within the black youth/culture. It is justified neglect of assimilation. Your mess that the general public aided and abetted in creating. Creating ghettos really helped in providing for a culture of persons who were ill-prepared with new found 'freedom'. What activities happened within those ghetto walls were dismissed as 'let em live like rats as long as they stay within such confines....'.

Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 7:27:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: came4U The marines, navy, army and airforce has been talking street hoodlums since Moses. well, except for the College boys they need for officers.[8\|] The guy is a lance corporal, wowzer, basicly he is teaching only what he learned from bootcamp, he is a few months past being a PFC. I wouldn't panic, could be worse...oh oh, the Pathers have the real edumacated guys LOL. Deal with it. This isn't newly fabricated anger distilling within the black youth/culture. It is justified neglect of assimilation. Your mess that the general public aided and abetted in creating. Creating ghettos really helped in providing for a culture of persons who were ill-prepared with new found 'freedom'. What activities happened within those ghetto walls were dismissed as 'let em live like rats as long as they stay within such confines....'. a pfc can shoot pretty good. personally i would prefer to go up against a gangbanger who thought the proper way to shoot is movie stype. i am not up in arms about the gang bang thing. i have 40 cal for my security. i am more concerned with your comments about militia and "free" country. i will not deny that most evils of the woprld are created by governments, but free country? Thats going a bit far.

RosaB -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 7:31:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: came4U The marines, navy, army and airforce has been talking street hoodlums since Moses. well, except for the College boys they need for officers.[8\|] The guy is a lance corporal, wowzer, basicly he is teaching only what he learned from bootcamp, he is a few months past being a PFC. I wouldn't panic, could be worse...oh oh, the Pathers have the real edumacated guys LOL. Deal with it. This isn't newly fabricated anger distilling within the black youth/culture. It is justified neglect of assimilation. Your mess that the general public aided and abetted in creating. Creating ghettos really helped in providing for a culture of persons who were ill-prepared with new found 'freedom'. What activities happened within those ghetto walls were dismissed as 'let em live like rats as long as they stay within such confines....'. That's rich. I will just say, I deal, but that need not negate my being concerned. I also understand cause and effect this is a fact of life. But do not be the judge of my place in the scheme of things as you do not know of where I fit.

came4U -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 7:38:07 AM)
freedom of association...aka free country.

Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 7:41:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: came4U freedom of association...aka free country. what????? you just said the feds, the fbi watches the militias? is that freedom of association? They can tap your phone without a warrant is that also freedom of association?

came4U -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 7:58:24 AM)
The govt watches all offside-militas, sometimes from the inside. Where have you been? They are untouched mostly unless caught doing dirty deeds, thus, freedom of association laws. The FBI itself has its own agenda in watching them. They have an almost 'absolute freedom'. Why should I have to notify you of this? lol

Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 8:13:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: came4U The govt watches all offside-militas, sometimes from the inside. Where have you been? They are untouched mostly unless caught doing dirty deeds, thus, freedom of association laws. The FBI itself has its own agenda in watching them. They have an almost 'absolute freedom'. Why should I have to notify you of this? lol oh yeh like waco

came4U -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 8:19:46 AM)
no, that would be a cult-militia lol. they watch cults too.

Alumbrado -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 8:22:03 AM)
Not to be confused with Militia Etheridge

Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 8:26:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: came4U no, that would be a cult-militia lol. they watch cults too. dead cult militia at the hands of this government. yep thats freedom! its illegal to be defined as a cult now days

came4U -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 8:26:46 AM)
see the difference now?? stockpiling of weapons vs having 'aptitude' for use of them. what is the difference? the difference is...people that try to blame the ability to gain access to the weaponry and how they learned to use such weapons. why not look at the larger issue at hand? You have many, many, angry, easily misguided black youth with limited access to education beyond highschool, limited respect elsewhere from their communities and other racially volitile problems... That is one achilles heel or sore spot of your Nation that is self-created. Fear of an organized revolt or whatever you call it..it is not likely to occur. Too many strong, dominant (non bdsm) black men and women are stepping up to re-create their culture properly by living/leading by example within this crisis. A few smartass military trained gangbangers are nothing compared to the nation as a whole falling apart in its preparation to deal with a neglected and abused 'race' or culture.

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