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bschwimmer -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 8:31:37 AM)

I just left the military after 27 years and work in a inner city high school as a dean THe gangs are scared shittless of me and have turned them into my snitchess and helped local nypd solve 2 murders




Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 8:33:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

see the difference now??

stockpiling of weapons vs having 'aptitude' for use of them.

what is the difference?

the difference is...people that try to blame the ability to gain access to the weaponry and how they learned to use such weapons.

why not look at the larger issue at hand?

You have many, many, angry, easily misguided black youth with limited access to education beyond highschool, limited respect elsewhere from their communities and other racially volitile problems...

That is one achilles heel or sore spot of your Nation that is self-created. Fear of an organized revolt or whatever you call it..it is not likely to occur.  Too many strong, dominant (non bdsm) black men and women are stepping up to re-create their culture properly by living/leading by example within this crisis.  A few smartass military trained gangbangers are nothing compared to the nation as a whole falling apart in its preparation to deal with a neglected and abused 'race' or culture.





last i checked the right to own arms shall not be infringed.  i do not recal of an amendment stating how many weapons.  DO you know of one?

i know of no amendment that states cults are unlawful.

i know of no amendment that states "citizen cult militias" are unlawful.

apparently we are reading different constitutions

see the difference?




Lordandmaster -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 8:34:55 AM)

Did someone say "gangbang" or was that just my imagination?




Alumbrado -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 8:38:47 AM)

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That is one achilles heel or sore spot of your Nation that is self-created. Fear of an organized revolt or whatever you call it..it is not likely to occur. 


Self created...With a little help from the media, politicians, and other usual suspects. 

And given that some gangs have been employing cult indoctrination techniques in their recruitment for a good while now, specifically the tactic of creating a sense of alienation in the prospective member ( from which only the gang is seen as a refuge) - and the scare mongering could be part of a self fullilling prophecy at that. 




luckydog1 -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 8:51:51 AM)

No real, you 2 are reading the same one, you are just ignoring much of it, such as Art 1 sec 8, "To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof."

The Constitution is not the Law, it is the framework and justification for making, enforcing, and judging  the law.  The law is called the US Code.




Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 8:59:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

No real, you 2 are reading the same one, you are just ignoring much of it, such as Art 1 sec 8, "To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof."

The Constitution is not the Law, it is the framework and justification for making, enforcing, and judging  the law.  The law is called the US Code.




Oh?

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

What foregoing powers are you talking about?  Are there more somewhere not listed here?

where in there does it say they have authorization to execute and crispy fry a hundred us citizens?








luckydog1 -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 9:07:40 AM)

Real I already quoted it to you.  It is in the law that the Constitution provides justification for, the US Code.

here it is one more time,

"To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof. "

That includes the US Code, the law of the land, per the Constitution. The US code is passed by the Congress, signed into law and enforced by the executive, and judged if requested by the Supreme Court. 

That being said the Waco issue was handled poorly, however if Koresh had just complied with the legal warrants, no one would have been fried and a lot of kids would be alive.

You do not have the right to refuse a warrant.....






came4U -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 9:11:21 AM)

"last i checked the right to own arms shall not be infringed.  i do not recal of an amendment stating how many weapons.  DO you know of one? "

Last time I checked...concealed weapons of those without true license and handling/owning of multiple casualty machine warfare is not listed as any 'constitutional right' at all. Do you assume these gangs carry only registered / legal weapons? lol

and Alumbrado is right, the media, government and the average citizen has done nothing except boycott the black citizen from 'joining any reindeer games' since emancipation.

This is no different from the Twin Tower pilots learning how to fly from/on American soil, only to bite the hand that feeds them.

They are learning sneaky tactics such as this (the Crips) and frankly I'm surprised it took them so long. 

Don't blame the messenger, blame the message:

This has little to do with blaming the Marine Corps, and more to do with desperation to have authority-knowledge vigilantes within the gang system. The men that walk into such duty and how they walk in, is varied, but in general, they come out basicaly with the same moral principles (give or take).

Did your Nation not see this coming? Did you think the repressed would be too dense to have eventual leadership by someone capable of actual warfare? Looks like you have another mess on your hands.







Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 9:18:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Real I already quoted it to you.  It is in the law that the Constitution provides justification for, the US Code.

here it is one more time,

"To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof. "

That includes the US Code, the law of the land, per the Constitution. The US code is passed by the Congress, signed into law and enforced by the executive, and judged if requested by the Supreme Court. 

That being said the Waco issue was handled poorly, however if Koresh had just complied with the legal warrants, no one would have been fried and a lot of kids would be alive.

You do not have the right to refuse a warrant.....







not the point.  you are sidestepping.

i asked where they have the authorization to crispy fry one hundred people.

i did not see that in the foregoing powers and i did not see "us code" mentioned in the foregoing powers either.

one hundred people fried and we call that "poorly" handled?    Geez how sophisticated of us.

More like a murderous federal cluster fuck

Ok so then the US code gives them authorizatrion to fry little kids.  That is good to know.

It is every citizens "responsibility" to fight an unlawful and tyrannical government.  a warrant issued pursuant to an unconstitutional corporate instrument can be refused and fought against with force if necesary.  err that is constitutionally.   so much for freedom.   maybe that is why the founding fathers specifically said arms so that it would include anything that the government can use against the people, the people could use in return against the governemnt.




Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 9:33:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: came4U

"last i checked the right to own arms shall not be infringed.  i do not recal of an amendment stating how many weapons.  DO you know of one? "

Last time I checked...concealed weapons of those without true license and handling/owning of multiple casualty machine warfare is not listed as any 'constitutional right' at all. Do you assume these gangs carry only registered / legal weapons? lol

and Alumbrado is right, the media, government and the average citizen has done nothing except boycott the black citizen from 'joining any reindeer games' since emancipation.

This is no different from the Twin Tower pilots learning how to fly from/on American soil, only to bite the hand that feeds them.

They are learning sneaky tactics such as this (the Crips) and frankly I'm surprised it took them so long.

Don't blame the messenger, blame the message:

This has little to do with blaming the Marine Corps, and more to do with desperation to have authority-knowledge vigilantes within the gang system. The men that walk into such duty and how they walk in, is varied, but in general, they come out basicaly with the same moral principles (give or take).

Did your Nation not see this coming? Did you think the repressed would be too dense to have eventual leadership by someone capable of actual warfare? Looks like you have another mess on your hands.



Last i checked crips are a criminal part of society, mostly famous for robbery, extortion and a host of other niceties.

Neither is it restricted.  as i said in my last post the use of the word arms is deliberate.  granted we have a constitution but it does not tell you the reasoning the framers used and as i said it is so the citizenry has more fire power than any standing army the feds can caome after us with.   so if they bring a tank in the citizens militia can bring in 2 tanks to thwart the feds attempt at subjugating our rights.  a license btw is an infringement and unconstitutional.

you really should read the more about the founding fathers and the purpose they said what they did.  at least you have the freedom to breathe, (for now).  

next you do not know pilots flew those aircraft, unless of course you really trust a government who takes us to war over non existant wmd's.  That and they take us to war in afghanastan and iraq when the alledged pilots are saudis!  Makes perfect sense to me!

Yeh well they as well as indians were what in the tax code 3/5s a person?  Once again you can thank the governemnt for promoting that view.

i am not blaming the messenger for the message.

i am only pointing out where the messenger is in error.   Starting with your take on freedom right on thru to your understanding of the constitution.














came4U -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 9:33:50 AM)

you are confusing right to bare arms that are code (per state) allowable.

isn't, by your defition, the misuse of black education/employment/media policy since 1952 been "unlawful and tyrannical government"?

Same with the Waco incident., see what happens when people get tired of organized/institutionally and sanctioned religion? They create their own spinoffs (named cults).

They use similar brainwashing/guilt-creating/isolation techniques there too.







came4U -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 9:39:21 AM)

I am sticking with the program here, this is about gangs, not about your constitution.

Besides, the founding fathers?  Isn't it a big debate that that/such constitution will hopefully be revised soon to compensate for ....current events?

That constitution is old news.  It needs revising as many know already.  Too many little grey areas give allowance to criminal activity as is.

Is your politics anyways lol, I'm going back to my poutine to watch the show.




Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 9:39:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

you are confusing right to bare arms that are code (per state) allowable.

isn't, by your defition, the misuse of black education/employment/media policy since 1952 been "unlawful and tyrannical government"?

Same with the Waco incident., see what happens when people get tired of organized/institutionally and sanctioned religion? They create their own spinoffs (named cults).

They use similar brainwashing/guilt-creating/isolation techniques there too.







ha!

by my definition the whole of america is subject to misuse of and revisionist ediucation since about the turn of the century.  1900 that is when rockefeller got his paws into the mix.

sure i see what happens, the problem is they have not created a large enough one yet to take us back to a republic living under a constitution.

thats incorrect the constitution makes no provision for what is allowable arms. nor does it give that authority to the states.




bschwimmer -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 9:45:23 AM)

Good gun control is being able tohit your target




came4U -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 9:49:30 AM)

like I said..not my fault your constitution was created pre-musket. lol

get with the times.




Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 9:55:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

like I said..not my fault your constitution was created pre-musket. lol

get with the times.


not my fault revisionist educated people do not understand the purpose of the the constitution and the meaning of the word "arms" either


why would you want me to get eith the taimes?  So i can have an incorrect understanding of what the forefathers created for us?  come on, do a little research.




farglebargle -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 10:04:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydog1

No real, you 2 are reading the same one, you are just ignoring much of it, such as Art 1 sec 8, "To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof."

The Constitution is not the Law, it is the framework and justification for making, enforcing, and judging the law. The law is called the US Code.




Of course, they can only make laws to support EXPLICITLY DELEGATED powers. So, since there is NO AUTHORITY DELEGATED TO REGULATE, then any law regulating that freedom is Unconstitutional, and must be disobeyed.

For each and every Law, you *must* be able to point to an explicit grant of authority.





came4U -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 10:05:59 AM)

no thanks, have seen enough 'roughage' come out of that constitution to last a lifetime.

carry on armchair soldiers., carry on.




Real0ne -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 10:12:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: came4U

no thanks, have seen enough 'roughage' come out of that constitution to last a lifetime.

carry on armchair soldiers., carry on.




so you are canadian?   like many from the uk its difficult to understand the way this government is "supposed" to work.


Oh and i will not disagree with you that we created our own problems, however the greatest majority of those problems have been created as a result of unconstitutional "laws" and policies




Gwynvyd -> RE: Gangbangers benefitting from military training? (7/30/2007 10:14:39 AM)

Personaly I too would like the lil gangbangers to think that the proper way to shoot is like the silly little movie/video stance. (Sideways) < Can't shoot crap that way > When I was on the K-9 Corp.. and in the field in my town here we were just having gangs move in. < From Chicago > They didn't want to be up in the cold.. and wanted to be in sunny South Florida. Now I am a South Side girl from Chicago.. so I knew it was going to get ugly. In Chi town gangs tried to recuit kids all the time, so I knew what they were like.. and I had seen it. Not pretty. We held them off from really starting up for as long as we could. I got ahold of the head guy from across the alley and told him some one was edging in on his territory.... and it kept the big guys from being local. You dont want a big guy local. It is like playing polotics with sharks. Once the bleeding starts it is all over. If any of the local guys would have had military training our department would have been screwed. Most departments are undermanned, underarmed, and outgunned as it is. Some have military training, some are good shots.. but most on the whole are just good officers who really hope like hell they never clear leather. < have to pull thier gun on anyone seriously > Now in the County there are severial small gangs, mainly teenagers, or 20 somethings that run MJ and Meth.. and do stupid shit. One gang like that is made mostly of girls in a small suburb < a nice one..> just killed a couple of teens and got busted. It is amazing what goes on in small towns. Another gang of teenagers from the same burb tossed a 15 yearold girl in a fridge locked it and left her in an abondoned field to die a couple of towns over. ( 98 degree heat in a field locked in a metal box, do the math ) So yeah the big bad older gangbangers have guns and possibly training but they generaly take one another out over drugs, money, and turf.. the teenage gangs that you should be warning your kids about, and asking Susie and Tommy where they are going, what time they will be back home and to call in every 2 hours will be the ones to kill some one near and dear.  It is important to care about what happens in both situations but everyone can directly effect the smaller teen run gangs. Keep tabs on your kids folks.. it is scary. The Burb I was talking about is a affulent one. Nice, "safe", clean... you'd never suspect.

The FBI, and ATF have always watched the Militas, and Cults. Yes you have a "Consitutional right" to belong to one.... but you can bet your ass if one of them starts acting wonky it will get taken care of.

The Militas of old were formed with the provencials Govt's blessing back in the day. They could not afford to pay a standing army.  It was a new Govt forming. The new militas of today are normaly anti govt survialist groups bordering on paranoid. < not that there isnt losts to be paranoid about out there... >

The govt, any govt would be stupid to not watch for threats from within it's own borders. Waco was a total Cluster F. Reno should have lost her ass on that one IMO. Most of your Milita Cults have a huge deep seated distrust for the govt. of course they werent going to just all come out with thier hands up. It was ingrained in them to think that if they did~ they would have a bullet put in thier head the moment they came out the door. With the Cluster F that Waco was That may not have been that far off. They < the Admin.> wanted Koresh something fierce. He would have been a damn good example to the other cults, militas, and cult-militas out there not to screw with the govt. Well tell you what he was. They all went so far underground you couldnt find them with a metal detector. LOL Now they are all getting mouthy, and popping up everywhere. The admin is itching to make another example again. It will prob be before W is out of office.

Ok.. enough of my Gang, cult, and milita chat of the day for now I have gotten to study all three in my old lines of work...

Gwyn




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