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Luckydog, are you asking me do I think Baltic mining had to pay the taxes? Its a matter of public record, I KNOW they had to pay the taxes, Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co 240 U.S. 103 (1916)

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=240&invol=103

And Ron, that may be why there are so many "free" veiwings of the film, its even possible to get free copies just be calling and asking for them.

Personally, I think Russo screwed up by putting so many false "facts" into his film. Alot of them are very easy to disprove with a very short amount of research. But, even though no one who takes the IRS to court wins, and the govt has levied a fee for taking the IRS to court...25,000 I think its at now, this whole anti-tax movement is still picking up speed.

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that feeds on the estrangement many Americans feel from their government, especially those who believe they played by the rules and yet see their finances strained or broken.

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Many of the reviews in major newspapers have accepted as having some factual basis the film’s main contention, that the government illegally extracts income taxes, even though every court that has ever ruled on these issues has upheld the constitutionality of the income tax.

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The film’s appeal, Mr. Russo said during a phone interview last week, is not left or right, but concentrated among those who see the United States evolving into a police state ruled by an oligarchy that has tricked Americans into paying taxes.

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Mr. Russo has more than $2 million of tax liens filed against him by the Internal Revenue Service, California and New York for unpaid federal and state taxes. Mr. Russo declined to discuss the liens, saying they were not relevant to his film.

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All of the federal income tax revenue, the film says, goes to these bankers to pay interest on the national debt, even though by the broadest measure the federal government’s interest payments are less than 40 percent of the individual income taxes, according to an examination of every federal budget since 1995.

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The film opens by calling the 16th Amendment and its subsequent income tax and the Federal Reserve the product of a “silent coup d’état” in 1913 by “international bankers.” In the style of low-budget television documentaries, photographs appear on screen of J. P. Morgan, Paul Warburg and John D. Rockefeller.

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The documentary includes interviews with a host of people who are presented as experts, scholars and whistle-blowers. All deny the legitimacy of the income-tax laws, including Irwin Schiff, now serving his third prison term for tax crimes.

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The cornerstone of Mr. Russo’s case is whether any law requires Americans to pay income taxes on wages.

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“Title 26,” Mr. Russo said in an interview last week, “is not the law, it is I.R.S. regulations and to be a law it has to be passed by Congress.” Mr. Russo added that he had studied the matter closely and was confident that he had the facts.

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Arguments made in court that the income tax is invalid are so baseless that Congress has authorized fines of $25,000 for anyone who makes them. But even though the penalty was quintupled, from $5,000, it has not deterred those who assert this and other claims that Congress and the courts deemed “frivolous arguments.”

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Interpretation of the Constitution by the Supreme Court
The Supreme Court  is the highest tribunal in the United States for all cases and controversies arising under the Constitution. As the final arbiter of the law, the Court is charged with ensuring equal justice under law and functions as guardian and interpreter of the Constitution.
http://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Constitution_vrd.htm

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The film includes a brief interview with Sheldon Cohen, who was I.R.S. commissioner in the Johnson administration. Mr. Cohen said Mr. Russo used editing that “ twists my views” to create a false impression. Mr. Russo said he considered the assertion laughable.

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Despite hundreds and perhaps thousands of tax protesters going to prison, and many more losing their homes and life savings, the movement appears today to be more widespread than ever.

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Ms. MacNab, who has testified before Congress, said that at each of the trials prosecutors showed how the accused took out of context sections of the law and court decisions while ignoring other sections, including those shown to them by I.R.S. agents.

“People who are drawn into this movement just refuse to acknowledge facts that show their beliefs have no basis in fact,” she said. “Most of them have failed, their business has failed, their marriage has failed, and instead of taking responsibility for it they want to blame the government.”

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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

Luckydog, are you asking me do I think Baltic mining had to pay the taxes? Its a matter of public record, I KNOW they had to pay the taxes, Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co 240 U.S. 103 (1916)

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=240&invol=103

And Ron, that may be why there are so many "free" veiwings of the film, its even possible to get free copies just be calling and asking for them.

Personally, I think Russo screwed up by putting so many false "facts" into his film. Alot of them are very easy to disprove with a very short amount of research. But, even though no one who takes the IRS to court wins, and the govt has levied a fee for taking the IRS to court...25,000 I think its at now, this whole anti-tax movement is still picking up speed.

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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati
and the govt has levied a fee for taking the IRS to court...25,000 I think its at now, this whole anti-tax movement is still picking up speed.

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Nonsense Real.  First of all the prohibition on unapportioned taxes was not an amendmant, it was original text (article one I believe).  Which the 16th specifically changed

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The income tax is an indirect excise tax imposed upon certain privileged sources. In order to find if one is liable for such tax, one would refer to Title 26 of the United States Code entitled the Internal Revenue Code, where tax liabilities are listed for all parties and activities. Subtitle A covers the income tax, but an extensive search of it will produce no liability of an individual who lives and works in the 50 states to pay the income tax (Robbins). In fact, the only section in the code that imposes a tax on individual income is section 1461, which states "Every person required to deduct and withhold any tax under this chapter is hereby liable for such tax." This establishes a liability on anyone who is required to withhold for taxes, or a withholding agent. In order to determine the definition of "withholding agent," we turn to section 7701 (a)(16), which states "The term 'withholding agent' means any person required to deduct and withhold any tax under the provisions of section 1441, 1442, 1443, or 1461." So now, in order to see who exactly is required to withhold, we now turn to section 1441, 1442, and 1443. The titles of these sections, respectively, are "Withholding of tax on nonresident aliens," "Withholding of tax on foreign corporations," and "Foreign tax-exempt organizations." Again, we see that whereas Congress cannot impose an income tax liability on citizens in the US, they imposed it on people who they could, nonresident aliens and various types of foreign corporations and organizations.

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It is important to reassert here that the federal income tax is an indirect tax, though it is treated by the IRS and most people as a direct tax, in which case it would be unconstitutional. However, the tax is constitutional as it is defined because it levies a tax on the income derived from very specific sources. These sources must be privileged activities to fit the meaning of an indirect tax. Since earning a living within the fifty states is a right and not a privilege, the only sources of income that can be taxed are foreign-related.

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Since most people live and work in the states, they have not ever been liable for the federal income tax until they make themselves liable by agreeing to have their earnings withheld. Another tax that people unknowingly make themselves liable for is the employment tax. People see the money for this tax removed from their paychecks every week in the form of FICA and Social Security contributions. The employment tax is covered under Subtitle C of the Internal Revenue Code but is applicable to withholding agents only. As was discussed before, the only withholding agents required to make returns are those involved in foreign income. However, American citizens can volunteer, if they wish, to have their earnings withheld, thereby making themselves liable for the employment tax. A person would want their earnings withheld to ensure that they contribute the proper amount to the government programs that they are participating in. Anyone who wants to be involved in Social Security would have their earnings withheld, and section 3402 (p) describes voluntary withholding agreements. "The Secretary is authorized by regulations to provide for withholding if the employer and employee, or the person making and the person receiving such other type of payment, agree to such withholding." This agreement of withholding is done through the W-4 agreement that most people sign upon entering a job. The W-4 is entitled "Employee's Withholding Allowance Certificate," and is just that, a voluntary agreement for the employer to withhold the earnings, which are now referred to as wages, of the employee. Now taxes must be taken out of the withheld wages, as dictated by the IRS, for such programs as Social Security and FICA. Despite the voluntary nature of withholding one's earnings, most businesses believe it is mandatory and require it of employees.
Participation in Social Security is also voluntary, as the fact that withholding is voluntary would seem to imply. The Social Security Administration, in its standard form letter, states "The Social Security Act does not require an individual to have a Social Security Number (SSN) to live and work in the United States, nor does it require an individual to have a SSN simply for the purpose of having one" (qtd. in Robbins). Title 42 of the United States Code, Section 405 (2)(B)(i) states that Social Security numbers are assigned "to aliens at the time of their lawful admission to the United States" and "to any individual who is an applicant for or recipient of benefits." In other words, people who wish to participate in the Social Security program are welcome to, but it is not mandatory or requisite to obtain a job, though most companies are led to believe otherwise.
By voluntarily filling out W-4 and 1040 forms, people make themselves liable for taxes that they otherwise are not required to pay. However, the government and IRS need to keep this fact well-guarded lest people would stop giving their earnings to the government and drop out of the unstable Social Security program. The 16th Amendment was worded in such a way as to appear that it granted Congress unlimited taxing power, and the government has constructed an illusion of authority around it. Unfortunately, people do not question this authority and unknowingly make themselves liable for taxes.

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  The Constitution of the United States of America. Reprinted in The Federalist Papers. New York: Penguin Books USA Inc., 1961.
The United States Code, Titles 26 and 42. St. Paul: West Publishing Co., 1997.
Huff, William. "Now You See it Now You Don't!" Reasonable Action #232, newsletter of the Save A Patriot Foundation. Copyright at Common Law.
Robbins, Jay. "The Truth about the Income Tax." Copyright at Common Law.

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No lucky it implies in todays code that there is a difference but when you get there there is no longer text to be seen LOL  i have that original text. some place.

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But, even though no one who takes the IRS to court wins...

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The Social Security Administration, in its standard form letter, states "The Social Security Act does not require an individual to have a Social Security Number (SSN) to live and work in the United States, nor does it require an individual to have a SSN simply for the purpose of having one" (qtd. in Robbins). Title 42 of the United States Code, Section 405 (2)(B)(i) states that Social Security numbers are assigned "to aliens at the time of their lawful admission to the United States" and "to any individual who is an applicant for or recipient of benefits." In other words, people who wish to participate in the Social Security program are welcome to, but it is not mandatory or requisite to obtain a job, though most companies are led to believe otherwise.