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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/2/2007 7:05:36 PM   
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No, real every single case on the list I gave you is relevant. 

Your inability to cite a single case that shows you are correct speaks volumes.

You can't even back up the nonsense you are pretending is in the Constitution....


Lucky i repeat for the umteenth time: show me the "law" that gives the feds the authority to directly tax someone for wages. (as in anapportioned)

Then i will send it in and win the 50grand!  LOL


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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/2/2007 7:34:10 PM   
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Subfever, both of those links are to the same issue, neither one has the actuall case in it.  Tom Cryers case is one of those I have already refered to.  He was not convicted on the charges of "willfull failure to file".  He managed to convince a jury that he did not realise he had to file so there was no willfull intent.  In no way did they find that the taxes are illegal.  The government originally charged him with tax evasion also, but realised after filing that they had determined the wrong amount.  You  are not allowed to change the indictment after filing, so they got droped as a technicality, not as precedent.  This is also a lower court ruling that flies in the face of several USSC cases, and will be appealed, and Tom will lose.  This paticular case is not finished yet.  I guess you can pretend that an unsettled case is a victory for your side. 

There are certainly zero cases where your arguments have prevailed.

Please cite a single one that has finished the appeal process, not one that is in progress.


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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/2/2007 7:45:38 PM   
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Lucky i repeat for the umteenth time: show me the "law" that gives the feds the authority to directly tax someone for wages. (as in anapportioned)

Then i will send it in and win the 50grand!  LOL



LOL... RO, that ain't fair. You know darned well that Lucky can't show you the law... because it doesn't exist.

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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/2/2007 8:23:23 PM   
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thats right sub rob, there is no law regarding annaportioned taxes, none whatsover, no such term either.

the 16th amendment in it entirety....

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. "

Taxes on income from any source, with no apportionment, what about that confuses you?.......Oh thats right you guys oppose the US constitution for some reason, yet restort to the pussy tactic of pretending to support it

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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/2/2007 9:08:00 PM   
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thats right sub rob, there is no law regarding annaportioned taxes, none whatsover, no such term either.

the 16th amendment in it entirety....

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. "

Taxes on income from any source, with no apportionment, what about that confuses you?.......Oh thats right you guys oppose the US constitution for some reason, yet restort to the pussy tactic of pretending to support it



i'll be damned.  i just might stand corrected.  i have to verify the exact wording again first.


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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 8:32:39 AM   
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quote:

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thats right sub rob, there is no law regarding annaportioned taxes, none whatsover, no such term either.

the 16th amendment in it entirety....

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. "

Taxes on income from any source, with no apportionment, what about that confuses you?.......Oh thats right you guys oppose the US constitution for some reason, yet restort to the pussy tactic of pretending to support it



i'll be damned.  i just might stand corrected.  i have to verify the exact wording again first.



yup i was right that i was wrong.  i retract a statement i once upon a time made that the 16th should be repealled.  Its just dandy.  Sorry about the error.

Now back to our previously scheduled question:

Lucky:  i repeat for the umteenth++++ time; show me the "LAW" that gives the feds the authority to directly tax someone for wages. (as in anapportioned)




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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 9:28:43 AM   
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Instead of an individual SSN, you could set yourself up as a corporation and get an Employer Identification Number (EIN).




But once you are a corp, taxation is compleatly constitutional. We were discussing personal taxation.

Next point though, you dont actually HAVE to incorporate to run a business,


You would be absolutely nuts not to form a corporation if you are in business for yourself. It is a no-brainer. A corporation earns, spends and pays taxes only on what is left...an employee earns, gets taxed and spends what is left. There are so many ways to keep your money using corporations.

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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 10:03:01 AM   
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Chewsie...I understand that there may be benifits to incorporating....I was only trying to state that it is not  a requirement. And if your in that boat full of people out there who refuses to pay individual taxes on wages...then you'd give up any semblance of a case if you were incorporated.

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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 11:24:37 AM   
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Real,   there is no such thing as "anaportionment"....are you just using nonsense words to try to hide the fact that your argument is ocmpletely invalid.

The Constition is Law...

the 16th amendmant give the right to tax income in an "unapportioned" manner


If you want the 16th amendmant repealed get cracking on it....

Untill you do its law....

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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 11:28:14 AM   
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Hah!!!

You have left yourself open to RO's devastating and unstoppable rebuttal, 'You can't have a valid amendment unless you repeal the whole constitution first, so there!'

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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 11:45:14 AM   
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i have learned my lesson about trying to educate the uneducatable.  sort of  :)    Ya all enjoy your beliefs





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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 11:46:30 AM   
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Chewsie...I understand that there may be benifits to incorporating....I was only trying to state that it is not  a requirement. And if your in that boat full of people out there who refuses to pay individual taxes on wages...then you'd give up any semblance of a case if you were incorporated.


GA;   That is *PRECISELY* on target!

In the end it is an exchange and being a corporation may or may not be correct for a persons situation and can actually and in many cases is a poor choice in the final analysis.




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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 12:55:18 PM   
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thats right sub rob, there is no law regarding annaportioned taxes, none whatsover, no such term either.

the 16th amendment in it entirety....

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. "

Taxes on income from any source, with no apportionment, what about that confuses you?.......Oh thats right you guys oppose the US constitution for some reason, yet restort to the pussy tactic of pretending to support it


I'll disregard your snide and insulting remarks, and stick with the topic at hand.

Here is my response:

The 16th Amendment doesn't impose a tax upon anyone. Only legislation can do that.

Nothing the Constitution says imposes any requirement upon the people; it only (supposedly) delegates to Congress the power to do so.

Contrary to erroneous popular opinion, as spread by the tax professionals, the IRS, and even several lower courts, the 16th Amendment did not bestow upon Congress any power it did not already have; nor did it authorize Congress to tax any income it could not already tax.

Far more significant than the misunderstanding about academic issues related to "direct" and  "indirect" taxes is the false impression which the 16th Amendment created that, after the amendment was enacted, there were no longer any limits upon what Congress could tax, and that Congress could then tax all income,
coming from anywhere and received by anybody, as the  "from whatever source derived" language implies.

Once again, the Supreme Court made it clear that this is not the case. The Court has clearly ruled that the 16th Amendment "conferred no new power of taxation" upon Congress.

The Secretary of the Treasury officially agreed with this in Treasury Decision 2303, in addition to:

a) ruling that the amendment "does not extend the taxing power to new or excepted subjects"

b) that it did not "render anything taxable as income that was not so taxable before"

c) and in fact, that the words "from whatever source derived" used in the amendment were not intended to have any effect “on which incomes were subject to federal taxation."

Interestingly, in a dissenting opinion regarding another issue entirely, one Supreme Court  justice explained the point that "a literal reading of a provision of the Constitution which defeats a purpose evident when the instrument is read as a whole, is not to be favored."

It gave several examples, including this: "From whatever source derived," as it is written in the Sixteenth Amendment, does not mean from whatever source derived"

Clearly, he was acknowledging that the very broad, apparently all- encompassing terminology of the 16th Amendment is, when taken by itself, misleading.

Despite all of those clear and unequivocal statements by the Supreme Court, numerous lower  court judges and other supposed  legal experts continue to parrot the popular myth that the 16th Amendment did increase or expand Congress' taxing power, when it did no such thing.

Stanton v. Baltic Mining, 240 U.S. 103 (1916)
Peck v. Lowe, 247 U.S. 165 (1918)
Evans v. Gore, 253 U.S. 245 (1920)
South Carolina v. Baker, 485 U.S. 505 (1988)
Wright v. United States, 302 U.S. 583 (1938) (dissenting opinion)

In addition, many decades of federal income tax regulations, all published after the 16th Amendment was enacted, make it perfectly clear that despite that amendment, some income is still, "under the Constitution, not taxable by the federal government."

In summary, if someone is arguing that no one is required to pay any taxes on any of his income, I would disagree. But, notwithstanding the popular misunderstanding of the 16th Amendment, it is equally incorrect to claim that Congress can tax any income it pleases.

That is simply not the case, and never has been, before or after the 16th Amendment. The question is, which income constitutes taxable income, and which does not?  Only the law can answer that question, and it does.

To find the answers, you may go to this link:

http://www.theftbydeception.com

Near the bottom of the page, you will find another link for a free report.

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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 1:39:50 PM   
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Subfever, Subfever, Subfever....
If this sounds snide or insulting I can't help it.  Your position is nonsense.  It really is pointless to post sentance fragments, to create a false impression.  We already went over Stanton v Baltic.  The guy lost.  The USSC ruled that the income tax was legal, he paid his taxes.  You can clip parts of sentances, and try to pretend otherwise, but why? 

Why are you quoting disenting opinions from court cases?  That is just plain stupid, that means they are wrong (legally). 

Its real simple...just post a case where your side has prevailed...one that has not been apealed yet doesn't count.

Here is my rebuttal to your lengthy post.  Basically Congress always had the power to tax any sort of income it wanted to.  It did from the first day.  BUT it was required to be apportioned among the states.  The 16th eliminated (specifically) the need for the income tax to be apportioned.  Congress did not the power to tax anything new, but it got to tax that which it already could, but in an unapportioned manner.  What follows is a long rebuttal from the page I posted previously.  No sentance fragments, no leaving out the "but's"

The 16th Amendment gave Congress no new power to tax.
This statement is taken from language in the opinions of the United States Supreme Court in the Brushaber and Stanton cases and, unlike most other tax protester nonsense, it is actually true. The problem is not that the statement is false, but that it doesn’t mean what tax protesters think it means and it doesn’t lead to the conclusion that tax protesters want to reach.
Tax protesters believe that, before the adoption of the 16th Amendment, a tax on incomes was unconstitutional and therefore outside the power of Congress. This is not correct because, as explained above, it was clear even before the 16th Amendment that Congress could tax wages and earnings from employment, as well as income from business operations. By incorrectly asserting that a tax on incomes was unconstitutional before the 16th Amendment, and then asserting that the 16th Amendment gave Congress no new power to tax, tax protesters reach the incorrect conclusion that a tax on incomes must be unconstitutional even after the adoption of the 16th Amendment, which is ridiculous.
It is ridiculous because it would mean that the 16th Amendment does not mean what it says. The amendment plainly states that “The Congress shall have the power to tax incomes” and tax protesters nevertheless try to claim that Congress does not have the power to tax incomes.
It is also ridiculous because it would mean that Congress proposed a constitutional amendment, and the states ratified a constitutional amendment, that changed nothing and has no meaning.
To understand the statement of the Supreme Court when it said that the 16th Amendment created “no new power,” you have to understand the context in which the statement was made. One of the claims made by the taxpayer in the Brushaber case was that the 16th Amendment was “repugnant to the constitution” because it created a form of tax that was neither apportioned (as required for “direct” taxes by Article I, Section 9) nor uniform (as required for “excises” by Article I, Section 8, Clause 1). The court referred to the conclusion “that the 16th Amendment provides for a hitherto unknown power of taxation; that is, a power to levy an income tax which, although direct, should not be subject to the regulation of apportionment applicable to all other direct taxes,” as an “erroneous assumption.”
“[T]he contention that the Amendment treats a tax on income as a direct tax although it is relieved from apportionment and is necessarily therefore not subject to the rule of uniformity as such rule only applies to taxes which are not direct, thus destroying the two great classifications which have been recognized and enforced from the beginning, is also wholly without foundation since the command of the Amendment that all income taxes shall not be subject to apportionment by a consideration of the sources from which the taxed income may be derived forbids the application to such taxes of the rule applied in the Pollock Case by which alone such taxes were removed from the great class of excises, duties, and imposts subject to the rule of uniformity, and were placed under the other or direct class.”

Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R. Co., 240 U.S. 1 (1916).
This statement was confirmed and explained by the Supreme Court in Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 U.S. 103 (1916), in which the court stated that “by the previous ruling [in Brushaber] it was settled that the provisions of the 16th Amendment conferred no new power of taxation, but simply prohibited the previous complete and plenary power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of INDIRECT taxation to which it inherently belonged, and being placed in the category of direct taxation....”
Therefore, the power to tax incomes without apportionment is not a new kind of power, but just a different classification of the “previous complete and plenary power of income taxation,” taking it out of the category of direct taxation and placing it back in the category of indirect taxation “to which it inherently belonged.” By saying that the 16th Amendment created “no new power,” tax protesters completely disregard the rest of what the Supreme Court said in the same sentence.
Similarly:
“The Sixteenth Amendment declares that Congress shall have power to levy and collect taxes on income, ‘from whatever source derived’ without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. It was not the purpose or the effect of that amendment to bring any new subject within the taxing power. Congress already had the power to tax all incomes. But taxes on incomes from some sources had been held to be ‘direct taxes’ within the meaning of the constitutional requirement as to apportionment. [cites omitted] The Amendment relieved from that requirement and obliterated the distinction in that respect between taxes on income that are direct taxes and those that are not, and so put on the same basis all incomes ‘from whatever source derived.’”

Bowers, Collector v. Kerbaugh-Empire Co., 271 U.S. 170, 173-174 (1926).
The Supreme Court has never stated that the 16th Amendment gave Congress “no new power” without also affirming that Congress already had the power to tax incomes even before the 16th Amendment.
(As noted above, some circuit courts refer to the income tax as a “direct non-apportioned tax” despite the explanations in the Brushaber and Stanton decisions. Regardless of the confusion in terminology, the courts are unanimous that the income tax is constitutional under the 16th Amendment.)
The claim that “[t]he Sixteenth Amendment was not ratified, has no effect, contradicts the Constitution as originally ratified, lacks an enabling clause, or does not authorize a non-apportioned, direct income tax” has been identified by the IRS as a “frivolous position” that can result in a penalty of $5,000 when asserted in a tax return or included in certain collection-related submissions. Notice 2007-30, 2007-14 I.R.B. 883.
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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 1:41:23 PM   
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Here is the response to the there is no law to pay taxes argument, also from http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#law

The Internal Revenue Code is not law.
The arguments that the Internal Revenue Code is not a valid statute are all strange, and take several different forms.
One form of argument is simply that the Internal Revenue Code was never enacted. This is easily disproved by checking the records of the U.S. Congress. The Internal Revenue Code of 1954 was passed by both houses of Congress as House Resolution 8300, and was signed by President Eisenhower on August 16, 1954, at about 9:45 a.m., becoming Public Law 83-591, 68A Stat. 3. The Internal Revenue Code is now known as the “Internal Revenue Code of 1986” as a result of changes made by Public Law 99-514, 100 Stat. 2085 (10/22/1986). More recent amendments to the Internal Revenue Code (as well as other public laws) can be found on-line through the “Thomas” web site maintained by the Library of Congress.
A brief note about citations to statutes: Public Laws are numbered consecutively within each session of Congress, each session lasting two years. The Congress that convened in January of 2001 was the 107th, so the first bill passed by that Congress and signed by the President was P.L. 107-1, the second was P.L. 107-2, and so forth. All public laws are published in the U.S. Statutes at Large, usually abbreviated “Stat.”, so a citation to “68A Stat. 3” refers to page 3 of volume 68A of the U.S. Statutes at Large. The U.S. Statutes at large can be found at most law libraries, so the text of the original Internal Revenue Code of 1954, and published proof of its enactment, can be found at any law library with a copy of the U.S. Statutes at Large.
The other argument is more subtle and more complicated. Many of the statutes of the United States have been “codified,” or reorganized into more orderly collections of statutes known as the “United States Code,” which is divided by subject matter into “titles.” As part of this codification, many statutes that were enacted separately have been reenacted together as part of the United States Code, so that the Code itself became “positive law.” For example, the statutes relating to federal courts have been organized and reenacted as Title 28 of the United States Code. So, when referring to a provision of Title 28, it is usually not necessary to worry about when or how it was enacted; all you need to do is refer to the right section of Title 28. For convenient reference, the Internal Revenue Code has been published as Title 26 of the United States Code but, technically speaking, has never been enacted as part of the United States Code. This is explained in the printed volumes of the United States Code, which states that Title 26 is evidence of the provisions of the Internal Revenue Code, but that Title 26 itself is not “positive law,” even though the revenue laws enacted by Congress (such as Public Law 83-591 enacted in 1954, or Public Law 99-514 enacted in 1986), all of which can be found in the U.S. Statutes at Large, are “positive law.”
The distinction between Title 26 of the United States Code and “positive law” is purely technical and would never be important to anyone unless the U.S. Government Printing Office made a typographical error in printing Title 26 of the United States Code, so that the United States Code did not accurately reflect the revenue laws enacted by Congress. If a typographical error did occur, then the courts would look to the U.S. Statutes at Large to determine the text of the relevant statute, instead of Title 26 of the United States Code.
So, the provisions of the Internal Revenue Code have been enacted by Congress as positive law, and the fact that the Internal Revenue Code as not been reenacted or codified as part of the United States Code is irrelevant.
What do the courts say about tax protester claims to the contrary?
“Indeed, as we have repeatedly held, the entire Internal Revenue Code was validly enacted by Congress and is fully enforceable.”

United States v. McDonald, 919 F.2d 146 (10th Cir. 1990); United States v. Studley, 783 F.2d 934, 940 (9th Cir. 1986).
“Congress’s failure to enact a title [of the United States Code] into positive law has only evidentiary significance and does not render the underlying enactment invalid or unenforceable. See 1 U.S.C. § 204(a) (1982), (the text of titles not enacted into positive law is only prima facie evidence of the law itself). Like it or not, the Internal Revenue Code is the law, and the defendants did not violate Ryan’s rights by enforcing it.”

Ryan v. Bilby, 764 F2d 1325, 1328 (9th Cir. 1985).
“The petitioner’s argument that the Internal Revenue Code was not enacted by Congress is equally meritless. The Internal Revenue Code of 1954 was enacted by the 83rd Congress on August 16, 1954 (ch. 736, 68A Stat. 3) and has been amended by Congress with some frequency since that time.”

Urban v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 1991-220, affd. per curiam, 964 F.2d 888 (9th Cir. 1992).
“In his opposition, Plaintiff asserts that ‘Title 26 U.S.C. (including section 6321) has not been enacted into positive law, and is not the law, but is only prima facie evidence of the law.’ ... Congress’ failure to enact a title into positive law has only evidentiary significance and does not render the underlying enactment invalid or unenforceable. See 1 U.S.C. section 204(a). ‘Like it or not, the Internal Revenue Code is the law’. [Citations omitted] Plaintiff’s positive law argument is without merit.”

Bilger v. United States, 87 AFTR2d Par. 2001-468, No. CIV F 00-6486 OWW JLO (U.S.D.C. E.D.Ca. 1/9/2001).
“On appeal he [Scott] makes the same arguments advanced and rejected countless times in tax protestor litigation, such as that the Tax Code is not binding “positive law,” and wages are exempt from taxation because they are not income. [Citations omitted] Needless to say, these contentions do not state a claim against the United States, let alone support a lien against its agents.”

United States v. Scott, 1999 U.S. App. LEXIS 16877; 99-2 U.S. Tax Cas. (CCH) P50,745; 84 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 5342, (7th Cir. 1999).
“Similarly frivolous is his claim that a summons could not be issued because title 26 has not been enacted into ‘positive law.’”

United States v. Hooper, 1995 U.S. App. LEXIS 38246; 76 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 8026, 1995 WL 792039 at *1 (9th Cir. 1995).
“Finally, we reject as frivolous Kolchev’s remaining contentions asserting that his wages are not taxable income, see 26 U.S.C. § 61, that notices of deficiency may only be issued to government employees, [citation omitted], that the IRS code is not enforceable because it has not been enacted into positive law, [citation omitted], and that the Commissioner lacked delegated authority to issue the notice of deficiency, [citation omitted].”

Kolchev v. Commissioner, 1995 U.S. App. LEXIS 2683; 75 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 839, (9th Cir. 1995).
“The appellant’s argument regarding the validity of Title 26 is frivolous. The validity of Title 26 is not affected merely because it has not been codified as ‘positive law’.”

Hackett v. Commissioner, 791 F.2d 933 (6th Cir. 1986).
“The claim that Title 26 was not enacted into ‘positive law,’ has been rejected as ‘frivolous,’ ‘baseless,’ ‘specious,’ and ‘preposterous.’ [Citations omitted]”

United States v. Maczka, 957 F.Supp. 988, 991 (W.D.Mich. 1996).
See also, United States v. Zuger, 602 F.Supp. 889, 891-92 (D. Conn. 1984) (‘holding that the failure of Congress to enact a title as such and in such form into positive law . . . in no way impugns the validity, effect, enforceability, or constitutionality of the laws as contained and set forth in the title’ and describing argument as “specious”), aff’d. without op., 755 F.2d 915 (2d Cir.), cert. denied, 474 U.S. 805 (1985); Young v. Internal Revenue Service, 596 F.Supp. 141, 149 (N.D.Ind. 1984) (asserting that ‘even if Title 26 was not itself enacted into positive law, that does not mean that the laws under the title are null and void’ and referring to the “positive law” argument as “preposterous”); United States v. Cooper, 170 F.3d 691 (7th Cir. 1999); United States v. Sloan, 939 F.2d 499, 500 (7th Cir. 1991), cert. den. 112 S.Ct. 940 (1992); Coleman v. Commissioner, 791 F.2d 68, 70 (7th Cir. 1986); Lovell v. United States, 755 F.2d 517, 519 (7th Cir. 1984); Sullivan v. United States, 788 F.2d 813, 815 (1st Cir. 1986); Sloan v. United States, 621 F.Supp. 1072, 1076 (N.D.Ind.1985) (litigants advancing ‘frivolous’ arguments such as assertions that the Internal Revenue Code is not positive law subjected to sanctions under Rule 11, FED. R. CIV. P.), aff’d in part and appeal dismissed, 812 F.2d 1410 (7th Cir.1987) (table).
The claim that “[t]he Internal Revenue Code is not law (or ‘positive law’)” has been identified by the IRS as a “frivolous position” that can result in a penalty of $5,000 when asserted in a tax return or included in certain collection-related submissions. Notice 2007-30, 2007-14 I.R.B. 883.
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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 1:44:18 PM   
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Subfever, and you are honestly posting a link to an animated video you can buy for 14.95?  http://www.theftbydeception.com/ ........

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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 2:11:35 PM   
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I'll address your post at a later date, as time does not currently allow. For now, here's a case that may interest you:

Eastern District of Tennessee #CR-1-93-91
 
U.S. v. Lloyd R. Long
 
Not-guilty verdict, October 15th, 1993.

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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 2:13:12 PM   
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Subfever, and you are honestly posting a link to an animated video you can buy for 14.95?  http://www.theftbydeception.com/ ........


You didn't look hard enough. There is also a link for a free, text report. The $14.95 report is the same report on hard copy.

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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 2:16:42 PM   
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Meh... Worrying about taxes is pointless.

One Dollar for you, the earner,

And one for the FUCKING PIGS to hopefully choke on.



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RE: America: Freedom to Fascism - 8/3/2007 2:25:55 PM   
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quote:

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Subfever, and you are honestly posting a link to an animated video you can buy for 14.95?  http://www.theftbydeception.com/ ........


You didn't look hard enough. There is also a link for a free, text report. The $14.95 report is the same report on hard copy.


http://www.theft-by-deception.com/TaxableIncome2007.pdf

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