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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

...This topic has been discussed /re-hashed here many many times - So you'll see no long drawn-out posts or rebuttals from me. I will simply re-post in the quote box a brilliant post by my friend Subfever that addresses my basic theory /viewpoint as it relates to various alternative scenarios. I STRONGLY emphasize the last paragraph.

- R

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

So how do the rules on the I-9 apply? http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=0572194d3e88d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=91919c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD


Orion

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

Actually...a business does NOT have to verify the SSN, most companies just are under the impression they do. And what I find interesting, is not that its voluntary, but that once you are an adult and can make your own choices about SS and whatnot, your parents already made the decision for you.

yup its entrapment, they use prima facia to nail you if you try to fight it as an adult.

agreed

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

Actually...a business does NOT have to verify the SSN, most companies just are under the impression they do. And what I find interesting, is not that its voluntary, but that once you are an adult and can make your own choices about SS and whatnot, your parents already made the decision for you.

Gihtaamati:
There  was a recent supreme court ruling concerning the S/S tax.  It was about a sheriff in Santa Barbara county who felt that the S/S number was the "mark of the Devil" and so forth....The court ruled that he did not need to have a S/S number.
Now this begs the following questions.
First: Does he get all of his money back with interest from S/S?
Second:  Since your S/S number is your taxpayer ID number how does one file their income tax?
thompson

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ORIGINAL: sappatoti

Instead of an individual SSN, you could set yourself up as a corporation and get an Employer Identification Number (EIN).

As far as phone service goes, it's not necessarily the cheapest way to do this but you can get prepaid wired and cell services. They don't ask for SSNs.


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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

keep in mind the purpose of a licenxse is a special dispensation to do what is otherwise illegal.  (nope it was more corect the way i said it the first time)

Much like gun control, we have the inalinable right to arm ourselves, thus a license or special dispensation is an infringemtn.  We also have the right to travel on any public roadways therefore none required there either.

Its all a prop to "control" which is vastly different from regulate. 

K...but isn't a driver's license a document that says you know how to drive a vehicle?  It is not permission to travel public roadways; you can do that even without a driver's license.
 
At least that is how I understand it,
B

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

My understanding of the term Fascism , is not what this guy describes.
The words Fascism and Fascist, are often mis-used.People throw them around and use those words as flame words.A few other names and words that are mis-used way to often.Nazi,dictator,tyrant.Some folks will use those words to describe someone or something ,they don`t like.
Even if there`s no merit or truth in it.

He should have used the phrase "freedom to financial slavery".But that`s not as sexy or as catchy    ; )

BTW,we`ll never get out of paying,ever.The gov. has the law,the power,and guns to enforce taking their cut.
When they take you to court,they piss off the juries by mentioning how much they pay in taxes,and what a bad guy you are for evading paying yours.It`s the ultimate triangulation.

Don`t let anyone fool you about cutting taxes,like bush.
Someone cutting taxes,is only deferring them,and that brings an interest charge,which is in fact,a tax increase.


Question,...

Assuming we have to pay for the "commons"(roads,bridges,dams,courts,infrastructure,army,navy,airforce,rangers,boarder guards,ect),...How do we get the money?It has to come from somewhere.
What`s the fairest and best way to collect money to pay for the commons?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Ghitaamati:
Even though the supreme court has ruled that one does not need a S/S number try to open a bank account without one or even try to get phone service with out it.
When  I tried it the phone company simply said if you do not want to give it to us that is just fine but until you do you will not get a phone line.  This was after I went through about twelve layers of managers and supervisors.  Essentially; "we are the phone company and if you don't like how we do business go fuck your self"
thompson

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ORIGINAL: sappatoti

Instead of an individual SSN, you could set yourself up as a corporation and get an Employer Identification Number (EIN).

As far as phone service goes, it's not necessarily the cheapest way to do this but you can get prepaid wired and cell services. They don't ask for SSNs.


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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Most people do not understand what fascism is. It's gets thrown around a lot as a politically-loaded term but most people don't know what it is.

Now I am concerned over eroding freedoms. And no one seems to like the first amendment. The right wants to shut everyone up they don't like. The left wants to shut everyone up they don't agree with.

But we are still quite far away from actual "fascism."

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: sappatoti

Instead of an individual SSN, you could set yourself up as a corporation and get an Employer Identification Number (EIN).

Sappatoti:
If you work for wages I don't think you qualify to be a corporation.

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

you should see some of the new uk laws that are comming into effect and one bill that is going to hit parlament about bdsm oh yeah you think we have it bad NOT

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ORIGINAL: sappatoti
While it is possible to create a corporation and use its EIN instead of an individual's SSN, it isn't really practical for the average wage earner.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Ghitaamati:
Even though the supreme court has ruled that one does not need a S/S number try to open a bank account without one or even try to get phone service with out it.
When  I tried it the phone company simply said if you do not want to give it to us that is just fine but until you do you will not get a phone line.  This was after I went through about twelve layers of managers and supervisors.  Essentially; "we are the phone company and if you don't like how we do business go fuck your self"
thompson

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ORIGINAL: sappatoti

Instead of an individual SSN, you could set yourself up as a corporation and get an Employer Identification Number (EIN).