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ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord


I'm typically the first to advise one asking about computers that brand is a very minor consideration before what it actually has in it.  I'm not silly enough to deny the fact brands exist, though.

that's actually a rather apropos analogy, but regardless of brand (which would be akin to phenotype in humans).. aren't they still all computers?

sure a few have different features and software etc, but fundamentally they're all computers. the differences between the "brands" aren't significant enough to call different computer brands by a another name.

it doesn't suddenly morph into another creature just because it's a different brand of computer.

it's still a computer.

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EbonyFG
most people are phenotypically grouped into one *race* but genetically would be grouped in a whole other *race.*

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

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EbonyFG
most people are phenotypically grouped into one *race* but genetically would be grouped in a whole other *race.*

If that's true I'll eat my hat, then I will be in big trouble.

Incidently how close is close when speaking of genotypes across the racial divides.
98%, is that close enough ?
Careful now, leading question lol

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
Which, despite how you may feel about the lack of usage of such divisions, does not mean that they do not exist.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
Without bothering to answer the previous questions that shoot down your bigoted statements, apparently.

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ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess

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EbonyFG
most people are phenotypically grouped into one *race* but genetically would be grouped in a whole other *race.*

If that's true I'll eat my hat, then I will be in big trouble.
Incidently how close is close when speaking of genotypes across the racial divides.
98%, is that close enough ?Careful now, leading question lol

indeed it is true. my nephew is as white as they come. i mean blonde/blue and all that good stuff. phenotypically (purely goin off looks) no one would suspect his mother is black/cuban/irish or that his father is black/english

if i remember correctly, it's something like a differences of like 5-15% between groups living on the various continents across the globe. even with that being said, most of the greatest genetic variations occur within the actual groups that we consider to be the same "race.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
Without bothering to answer the previous questions that shoot down your bigoted statements, apparently.

Ah, you noticed. No, I didn't bother to answer them because they're specious. I also don't bother to debate Creationists or Jehovah's Witnesses. I guess I'm a good example of the "bigotry" of science.

Bob

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
You didn't bother to read the link to the university anthropology department listing course offerings on race, or the questions about why medicine, econometrics,sociology etc. aren't science, because you cannot answer the questions without resorting to strawman deception.

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Your nephew does not equal "most people"

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Your estimate then is greater than the currently accepted difference between humans  and chimpanzees. Surely you would not claim that  that ethical/ cultural/racial/behavioural differences do not exist between humans and chimps . Would you ?

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Maybe my colleagues and I should relax, cruise, and go back to using ideas from 50 years ago, when things were so much simpler.

Excuse me while I go measure some skulls.

Bob

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Hi kittinSol........ You are correct in as much that the theory is we all evolved from one source. Race though, and the concept of it, doesn`t go back that far. As you say it is a modern construct, so surely we can only look at the term in that context. 

The English race and French race don`t consider themselves the same, not based on colour or dna but on culture and history, even though much of it is intertwined.

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I'm rather sure darker skinned people tending to have ancestry from Africia, while paler skinned people tending to have ancestry from Europe, is rather common knowledge.  Then again, I could be mistaken.

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I'm rather sure darker skinned people tending to have ancestry from Africia, while paler skinned people tending to have ancestry from Europe, is rather common knowledge.  Then again, I could be mistaken.

Are you a basque or a celt? Do you consider yourself to be 'white'? If you answered no and yes you're from central Asia. The germanic tribes that virtually all non celtic and non basque europeans are descended from migrated out of central Asia during recorded history. So much for common knowledge.

Of course if you're not European and not germanic you could be an Ainu from Japan. Who are also 'white'.

As to 'blacks' being from Africa, ever seen an Indigenous Australian?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Hi kittinSol........ You are correct in as much that the theory is we all evolved from one source. Race though, and the concept of it, doesn`t go back that far. As you say it is a modern construct, so surely we can only look at the term in that context. 

The English race and French race don`t consider themselves the same, not based on colour or dna but on culture and history, even though much of it is intertwined.

Hi - the French and the English aren't two different races; I can vouch for this from a highly personal level.

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indeed it is true. my nephew is as white as they come. i mean blonde/blue and all that good stuff. phenotypically (purely goin off looks) no one would suspect his mother is black/cuban/irish or that his father is black/english

but those two gene pools came together and made someone as white as snow.

phenotypically he looks 100% white, but genetically he's probably a mishmash.

as far as the actual percentage of variation, that's hard to quantify because of the difficulty in determining human populations and then having to subsequently dividing them along *racial* lines or clinal natures of variations.

if i remember correctly, it's something like a differences of like 5-15% between groups living on the various continents across the globe. even with that being said, most of the greatest genetic variations occur within the actual groups that we consider to be the same "race."

to answer your question (whether it was a rhetorical question or not) would be hard to do because then i'd have to get into linkage,  linkage disequilibrium, genetic drift etc. and that's just too "hi falutin" for discussion here.

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if you take a blood sample, can you tell the race of someone merely from that blood specimen? if you took a sample of dog blood, you'd know it was dog blood. if you take a sample of human blood, it's just human blood.