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DarkWriter -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 2:52:40 PM)

Your ignorance is remarkable. Learn a little European history, say from 1936 to 1945, and the brown shirt reference will crystalize for you like magic. I am neither insecure nor am I given to spending time on a high horse. My ususal horse is entirely sufficient. Finally, if I have the wrong opinion of you it is from your own words.

That makes it your problem, not mine.




seeksfemslave -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:00:56 PM)

Though it seems to be easy to make fun of Rule it should be recognised that English is not his first language.
Also whats the difference between racism and baiting an eccentric ?




Rule -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:01:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Seriously, you never heard of the SA, aye? Perhaps you spent too much time on Uranus looking out for little green men, since the brown shirts eluded you.

I know some English, but I am not a native speaker. I get the impression that DW and you - both motivated by ignorance and prejudice - are making rude remarks, but I will have to do some research before I will know the meaning of those insults. It does tell me something about the both of you, though.




seeksfemslave -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:06:30 PM)

The Brown Shirts were a Nazi organisation. Either a youth group or a Police group. Not sure which.




DarkWriter -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:07:32 PM)

Make no mistake, I am not making fun or baiting Rule, I take him quite seriously. If I didn't, I would have dismissed him already. English may not be his native language, but I think the memory of those brown shirts is fresh enough in his home country to make his ignorance of them a shame.

As for the difference between racism and baiting an eccentric: With the eccentric, you respond to what he says or does, as opposed to what he is.




kittinSol -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:12:19 PM)

I just told him, Seeks. The brown shirts were the SA. And English isn't specifically my first language either, so I can hardly hold it against anybody that they share my predicament.

Or... can I?




DesertRat -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:13:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
The Brown Shirts were a Nazi organisation. Either a youth group or a Police group. Not sure which.


They were a paramilitary group. The thug wing of the Nazi party. The active element in the Krystalnacht (probably misspelled that), and done in by Hitler on the so called 'Night of the long knives' when they'd outlived their utility.

Bob




DarkWriter -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:15:55 PM)

Well said KittenSol. A knowledge of history does not require the ability to speak English like a native. 




seeksfemslave -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:21:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkWriter
As for the difference between racism and baiting an eccentric: With the eccentric, you respond to what he says or does, as opposed to what he is.


An eccentric is an eccentric a white person is white. To bait either springs from the same source NO?
While many might construe my posts as indicating I am a racist I am confident you will not find one example of racial abuse directed at an individual or group in anything I have said.




NorthernGent -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:22:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Only if you can assure me that  I can customise my own pitchfork...[;)]
 
Peace
the.dark.

 
'No women's rights in hell; the place is ran by men for men: no unions, no suffragettes, no 19th century philanthropic businessmen, no law, and certainly no bringing your own tools. Interested?


Pffft - womens rights are over rated - I like my bra so that aint burning.  Unions aren;t worth the money you pay - like church.  I don't suffer in silence - so no biggie.  Philanthropic businessmen have no imagination, and really - laws always kinda suck.  But no bringing my own tools?  C'mon now - (as Ron calls 'em) these bazongers aint getting left behind - it would be a totally heinous crime dude!
 
Peace
the.dark.

 
The butcher? I'm fairly sure he's otherwise engaged; moreover, he takes his orders from Kosovo, so he's not about to step into the unknown with your bazongers.
 
Fine, 'bring your bazongers with you; will they cope on god's clean earth without them?
 
 




NorthernGent -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:27:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkWriter

Learn a little European history, say from 1936 to 1945, and the brown shirt reference will crystalize for you like magic.



They were knocking around in the 1920s; Ernst Roehms little gang of oddballs, miscreants and social misfits, and I'm fairly sure that Hitler disbanded them in 1934, in order to bring them under the SS banner (not before a purge).




Rule -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:28:13 PM)

[;)] When you first started posting on the CM forums I seriously considered blocking your posts, seeks. I seem to recall that I told you so at the time. But I gave you the benefit of the doubt and quickly revised my opinion. You are up there among the mammals, in my estimation, seeks, a worthy discussion partner, whereas those two are mere insects. I respect you.
 
Ah, those brown shirts. Those brown shirts that were financed by Jews and that were bought with Jewish money. You think that I am a nazi? Whatever gave you that erroneous impression?
You think that the Germans were nazi's and committed genocide on the Jews? You truly are ignorant. The holocaust was financed with Jewish - mostly American - money. That is a proven fact. It wasn't that German puppet that was given all the blame that was responsible. The holocaust was in large part financed by rich, evil Jews sitting on the benches in the synagogue and secretly feeling the desire to murder their relatives sitting on the poor benches. That is the fruit of circumcision: evil become incarnate. (It is incarnate in non-circumcised populations also, but presumably at a lower frequency - I guess.)




LadyEllen -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:31:59 PM)

OK then, Rule has mentioned my name and though I have so far succeeded in staying away from this thread – because its become incendiary, a little pointless and in places rather silly (from what I’ve read of it anyway), I’ll throw in my thoughts.

Firstly, the word “race” – what does it mean? Well, not a lot really except as a social convention to delineate between various types of appearance to be found in the population of the world in general. On top of that though, the problem with the subject is the application of generalisations in terms of character traits and behaviours ascribed to groups sharing a certain appearance – stereotypes. Every “race” does it to other “races” – all that’s required is for a group of type 1 to be able to identify those of type 2 and have some reason – and we being human its competitive often – to ascribe negative traits and behaviours to type 2 such that theyre not quite as good as type 1 and can thus be defined and treated with less respect. Natural behaviour unfortunately – we saw it in Rwanda, and to be honest whilst we cant tell the difference between one type and the other in Rwanda, they certainly could.

The same thing occurs even within what we might a single “race” – I’ll take “whites” since I’m most familiar with that type. There is the obvious American phenomenon of dividing “Hispanics” off as a type – sorry but theyre mostly Spanish, which makes them white as far as the rest of the world is concerned. And even beyond that, we identify even within the most closely defined type, lets say light hair and blue eyes, those due respect and those due none, based on their appearance.

So, whilst scientifically perhaps there is no such thing as race, it seems clear that it exists nevertheless, due to us observing recognisable types around us and grouping them together – nothing wrong with that, its natural for us to do so. Where it is wrong is where we also buy into the stereotyping of those types propagated by our culture – for its pretty obvious that theyre observably incorrect views by way of exceptions to them. And the worst thing is, even those spouting them and propagating them know that they are incorrect, yet continue to do so – because I presume, it bolsters their own sense of superiority to look down on others based purely on their appearance as belonging to another type. Believing that one is further up the pecking order than others is a fairly natural animal thing – we wouldn’t compete otherwise, even with our own type, and wanting to belong to a group which is defined by who is excluded also seems typical of our animal natures – exclusion according to appearance – “like” and “not like” is a basic means of identity and so exclusion.

The overall view I take on all this is similar to my views on much of what constitutes our animal nature. For like it or not, we are animals – but, we are also special animals able to override our natures by way of our experience and reason. If in this case we choose to follow the idea of stereotypes and exclusion and prejudice, we are being animals, whilst if we allow our experience of other types to affect our views and actions inasmuch as they overcome our animal nature, we become human – that special animal which has access to the divine in which All is One and it is realised that appearance is not What Is.

E




seeksfemslave -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:34:38 PM)

Bloodie 'ell Rule dont let me down after I tried to give you a little moral support !




DesertRat -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:35:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule
...a worthy discussion partner, whereas those two are mere insects. I respect you.


Rule: Please add me to your list of insects. If you were to respect me (which I doubt could ever happen since I'm circumcised), I'd feel very bad.

Bob 




DarkWriter -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:43:53 PM)

To be insulted by one such as rule is the highest compliment!

Buzz-buzz!




DesertRat -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:54:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkWriter
Buzz-buzz!


The bugs are the true masters of this planet, anyway. If there is indeed such a thing. Or maybe it's the bacteria and viruses. Or the rats?[;)]

Bob




Rule -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 3:57:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Bloodie 'ell Rule dont let me down after I tried to give you a little moral support !

I must not have expressed myself sufficiently clearly. Hm, I have never done anything with my list of favourites. So, a formal announcement: I will add seeks and LadyEllen to my list of favourites, as they both are in my high esteem.
 
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ORIGINAL: DesertRat
Rule: Please add me to your list of insects. If you were to respect me (which I doubt could ever happen since I'm circumcised), I'd feel very bad.
Bob 

I will consider it, Bob. It will be hard to do, for somehow whenever I see your name and avatar it is associated with a positive feeling.

 
 
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ORIGINAL: DarkWriter
To be insulted by one such as rule is the highest compliment!
Buzz-buzz!

Humor! A redeeming trait. I will give you the benefit of the doubt for a little while longer.




DesertRat -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 4:02:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule
I will consider it, Bob. It will be hard to do, for somehow whenever I see your name and avatar it is associated with a positive feeling.


You got a sister? Single?

Bob




kittinSol -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/7/2007 4:03:37 PM)

Now now people... I was discussing this earlier with one of the board posters... it's a bit of a shame it's turned into a free for all slanging match but I guess those can be entertaining too.

So, since nobody bothered to answer my question (how may we erradicate xenophobia?) I suppose a good old in-line fighting might be in order. Oi.




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