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Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 5:25:32 PM   
housebitch


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Ok, i stumbled into these message boards the other day (usually i'm over on the 'personals' side of the site) and thought you guys might be able to help me with some advice.

i have been having some difficulty finding what i'm looking for, and for the life of me, i can't undersand why it is so difficult, considering what i am seeking.

Basically, i am a decent-looking, respectful male sub in S. FL looking to do housework, yardwork, run errands, do chores, fix things around the house (within my abilities), give massages (if wanted), and serve as a driver for a beautiful woman. 

i don't need any 'edge' play, diapers, complicated roleplay, intricate rope bondage, or specific fetish gear, nor am i even looking for sex.  (Although i would not refuse my owner, of course.)  But basically, i just want to serve as a butler/servant and do whatever my owner/boss tells me to do that will make her life easier.

The only thing i am looking for in return is for the woman (women? if it is a roomate situation, etc.) to treat me poorly and be condescending/arrogant toward me in the process of my servitude.  In other words, i want them to treat me like a servant or 'lower class' person should be treated.  And i know people are probably going to jump all over me that i shouldnt have any needs or desires if i am 'truly subserviant', but when i am treated like a 'friend who does them favors' or they are just generally nice to me (i.e., saying 'please' when they 'ask' me to do something instead of saying 'do this now, bitch'...) it just totally kills the mood for me and, as a result, much of my pleasure in serving.   To be clear, i'm not insinuating that i want them to stand over me and insult me while i scrub the floors- i'm not saying i want constant attention or to be a detrimental pain in the ass - i just want them to be bossy and a little 'drunk with power' when they give me an order.  (Rather than saying 'could you be a dear and do yada yada yada if it's not too much trouble, pleeeeze?')

Let me explain further by sharing what i have tried so far and the results, in general:

i have tried 'regular' dating sites where i explain what i am offering. basically, i say i want to be a servant to a beautiful woman. The responses (when i get one) are invariably the same-  First they think i am looking for sex or money. When i explain that i'm not, they think i must be crazy.

i have tried other online resources (craigslist, etc.) and basically no response.

i have approached escorts and dancers, thinking they may at least have been exposed to mens' unusual sexual fantasies, and they usually are at least knowledgable of foot fetishes and domination, etc. so they don't think i'm crazy.   But they inevitably state that they 'can't treat me badly' because of my looks and the fact that i'm so nice to them.  Then they want to date me.

And then there are those 'in the scene'.  Unfortunately, my experience has been that i just don't find myself attracted to most of the Dommes in the lifestyle, and those that i AM attracted to (online) turn out to be fake, 'cyber only' (which concerns me that it may be a guy pretending to be a Domme on the other end), or i just get no response except maybe a 'send money up-front, loser.'  (Which i have to admit, at least that last response is a turn on, but again, i think it is probably a guy on the other end.)

And yes, i'm a little picky about who i serve. Again, i know people are going to blast me and say if i was truly a sub i would serve any and all women w/o question. but i'm sorry, i truly want to be attracted to the woman that i serve and have her treat me like a servant in the process.  And i do tend to be attracted to more vanilla-looking women.

my bottom-line question is:  Can it be that difficult for a decent-looking, otherwise 'normal' guy to find an attractive, businesswoman-type to serve as a general servant and have her be a little selfish and demeaning toward him?  They just always seem to think i must be nuts or if they do meet me, they are too 'nice' to me and want to date me. 

and i'm not really looking to 'date' the person and break them into this idea gently- i would like a 24/7 (on the weekends) servitude arrangement w/o an emotioonal connection rite out of the gate- i dont want to be anything to them but a pathetic, lowly servant.  i just have found that it is better to seperate the personal connection from the arrangemnt i am seeking, basically because i find it difficult to ask the woman that you are falling in love with to suddenly 'treat me like shit'.  it just is too contradictory to a loving relationship- but that's a whole 'nother thread...   :-)

Your suggestions are appreciated.  Thank you.
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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 5:31:35 PM   
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You can come clean my house.  I have no problem calling you nasty names as you kiss my ass.  Do you do windows too? 

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 5:38:26 PM   
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So basically you want a pissy attitude toward you while you work around the house but don't want to give her what she needs and wants?  Well there's your problem.

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 5:42:35 PM   
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And, it has to be an "attractive businesswoman", not a frumpy housefrau.  Hmmmm....still sounds like some kind of latent sexual fantasy, sorry. 

But if you'll be in New Jersey anyway doing aileen's windows, stop by and do mine, too.  I'll wear my best business casual.

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 5:45:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: windchymes

And, it has to be an "attractive businesswoman", not a frumpy housefrau. 


Damn....I fall into the frumpy housefrau category.  Looks like I get to clean my own toilet again.

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 5:47:50 PM   
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Geez, if you're frumpy housefrau, then I'm bridge troll, lol.

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 5:49:39 PM   
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why not just apply to work for Paris Hilton?

While your at it, try being a butler for Hilary Clinton for the day.

You might be scared 'Dom'.

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 5:56:25 PM   
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To the OP:  Patience and perseverance, my dear.  Somewhere out there is a lucky lady that just doesn't know it yet.  Your wants are not out of this world, not even necessarily off the wall...she'll find you.  Chin up.

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 5:56:41 PM   
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I agree with the one who said this sounds like more of a fantisy than anything else. If I were a Female Dom and I saw that, I would so pass you over, mostly because it has to be all about you and your wants and needs... My Dear boy, its not ALL about you and your wants and needs, its a mesh between what she can offer and what you feel you need. I think if I was you, I would tone down your way of expressing your desires, don't demand things in your profile on the other side... One thing you need to remember is, In this lifestyle there are 20 Male subs per 1 Female TOP if not more.

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 6:02:57 PM   
DVS


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quote:

ORIGINAL: housebitch

Ok, i stumbled into these message boards the other day (usually i'm over on the 'personals' side of the site) and thought you guys might be able to help me with some advice.

i have been having some difficulty finding what i'm looking for, and for the life of me, i can't undersand why it is so difficult, considering what i am seeking.

Basically, i am a decent-looking, respectful male sub in S. FL looking to do housework, yardwork, run errands, do chores, fix things around the house (within my abilities), give massages (if wanted), and serve as a driver for a beautiful woman. 

i don't need any 'edge' play, diapers, complicated roleplay, intricate rope bondage, or specific fetish gear, nor am i even looking for sex.  (Although i would not refuse my owner, of course.)  But basically, i just want to serve as a butler/servant and do whatever my owner/boss tells me to do that will make her life easier.

The only thing i am looking for in return is for the woman (women? if it is a roomate situation, etc.) to treat me poorly and be condescending/arrogant toward me in the process of my servitude.  In other words, i want them to treat me like a servant or 'lower class' person should be treated.  And i know people are probably going to jump all over me that i shouldnt have any needs or desires if i am 'truly subserviant', but when i am treated like a 'friend who does them favors' or they are just generally nice to me (i.e., saying 'please' when they 'ask' me to do something instead of saying 'do this now, bitch'...) it just totally kills the mood for me and, as a result, much of my pleasure in serving.   To be clear, i'm not insinuating that i want them to stand over me and insult me while i scrub the floors- i'm not saying i want constant attention or to be a detrimental pain in the ass - i just want them to be bossy and a little 'drunk with power' when they give me an order.  (Rather than saying 'could you be a dear and do yada yada yada if it's not too much trouble, pleeeeze?')

Let me explain further by sharing what i have tried so far and the results, in general:

i have tried 'regular' dating sites where i explain what i am offering. basically, i say i want to be a servant to a beautiful woman. The responses (when i get one) are invariably the same-  First they think i am looking for sex or money. When i explain that i'm not, they think i must be crazy.

i have tried other online resources (craigslist, etc.) and basically no response.

i have approached escorts and dancers, thinking they may at least have been exposed to mens' unusual sexual fantasies, and they usually are at least knowledgable of foot fetishes and domination, etc. so they don't think i'm crazy.   But they inevitably state that they 'can't treat me badly' because of my looks and the fact that i'm so nice to them.  Then they want to date me.

And then there are those 'in the scene'.  Unfortunately, my experience has been that i just don't find myself attracted to most of the Dommes in the lifestyle, and those that i AM attracted to (online) turn out to be fake, 'cyber only' (which concerns me that it may be a guy pretending to be a Domme on the other end), or i just get no response except maybe a 'send money up-front, loser.'  (Which i have to admit, at least that last response is a turn on, but again, i think it is probably a guy on the other end.)

And yes, i'm a little picky about who i serve. Again, i know people are going to blast me and say if i was truly a sub i would serve any and all women w/o question. but i'm sorry, i truly want to be attracted to the woman that i serve and have her treat me like a servant in the process.  And i do tend to be attracted to more vanilla-looking women.

my bottom-line question is:  Can it be that difficult for a decent-looking, otherwise 'normal' guy to find an attractive, businesswoman-type to serve as a general servant and have her be a little selfish and demeaning toward him?  They just always seem to think i must be nuts or if they do meet me, they are too 'nice' to me and want to date me. 

and i'm not really looking to 'date' the person and break them into this idea gently- i would like a 24/7 (on the weekends) servitude arrangement w/o an emotioonal connection rite out of the gate- i dont want to be anything to them but a pathetic, lowly servant.  i just have found that it is better to seperate the personal connection from the arrangemnt i am seeking, basically because i find it difficult to ask the woman that you are falling in love with to suddenly 'treat me like shit'.  it just is too contradictory to a loving relationship- but that's a whole 'nother thread...   :-)

Your suggestions are appreciated.  Thank you.
OK, bare with me, I'm just a little confused.  You don't want any sex in this relationship?  All you want is to be bossed around by a pretty woman?  And she could actually be vanilla, and that would be fine?

Something is wrong here.  You should think about being a sub to a Domme.  That would get you a better group to pick from.  No, not all Dommes are the same.  Some won't fit your particular situation at all.  Some will be too sexual, some will be too bitchy.  But, there surely is a Domme out there that would find it just fine to have you cleaning house, etc. at her command.

You have been looking in all of the non kinky areas for this and I'm sure you have gotten the "you are a pervert" look more than once.  That should tell you something.  The vanilla women are looking for a man to take care of them.  They aren't kinky, so they don't understand what you are asking.  You need to be looking in the kinky crowd for this.

Of course, you should be allowed to have your kink, just as anyone else should.  And, I'm sure there is a woman out there that is just made to boss you around.  But, you are looking for a woman to be a room mate, no sex, only be a bossy room mate.  I don't know how you get your sexual kicks, but if you find you a woman, and give her what she wants, she is more than likely going to give you what you want.  That's how the relationship game is played.

Stop looking on the general lists for your woman friend.  Find you a more kink friendly woman who is aware of the kinky people of the world so she won't be turned off by your request.  Make friends with some Domme types and I think you might find one of them that's willing to give you a try.  You aren't strange, nor is your request that unusual, in the kinky world.  But, it is a strange request, in the vanilla world.  I just think you are approaching the wrong flavor of people.

We kinky folks need to stick together, because we tend to scare the vanilla crowd away.  But, I'm guessing you already know that.

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 6:09:13 PM   
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I have to agree with Mike a bit: you're making the whole situation about you and what you want... And that doesn't really cut it. You have a good idea of what you want, but you're sort of looking in the wrong places.

What I mean is that yes, you are seeking a Dominatrix. But you are not looking for what most dominatrices want to supply. You have a clear vision of your fantasy, but that vision also limits how it can fulfilled. And your reaction to the whole thing? Throw up your hands and bitch and moan about the scarcity of good women?

"You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you."

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 6:11:16 PM   
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I love these bits "But they inevitably state that they 'can't treat me badly' because of my looks....for a beautiful woman.....i am a decent-looking....decent-looking, otherwise 'normal' guy to find an attractive, businesswoman-type ".

I hate to tell you this (as an unattractive, frumpy housefrau AND a bridge troll) you aint all that and a bag of Triple Cheese Dorito's honey. You obviously think you are, but you'd be wrong. Try a ProDomme. They deal with egotistical arseholes all the time.

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 6:14:18 PM   
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I was going to give an honest answer to the boy, and still think that there may be one out there for him, because after all, some of us could care less what a houseboy looks like, if that is truly all he is, but then I read his wank fantasy in his journal, which was written to look like it really happened just yesterday, and lost all the encouraging words I was going to offer.

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 6:19:02 PM   
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A session with a pro femdom once a month would probably scratch the itch just fine, and then you could be very specific about the look and attitude you seek. 

I think I can relate to the successful businesswoman part of it, but to be honest, it's too much work to be purposefully "bitchy" just to get results. I can pay a maid and not have to be bitchy, know what I mean?  You are requiring something - an atittude, a demeanor, and I imagine it goes down to specifics (the way she looks at you, her body language, some particular phrases that are hot buttons).  Like many submissive men, you assume that adopting this attitude requires no energy or thought.  It does, in reality, and it can be a drain. 

Another way to approach this is to date a younger woman, clearly out of your league, and kiss her ass incredibly right out of the gate.  Younger women will fall over this like mad, and will gladly mistreat you - but they will expect to be taken out on nice dates, taken shopping, etc.  But if they are in their early 20s and incredibly good looking, it would work for you. And the good news is they often run in packs, so you can get humiliated by a few of them out shopping etc.. :)

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 6:19:02 PM   
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MissMagnolia,

I didn't even touch on the looks things, thanks for reminding me of how stupid those type of people are... I can tell you that I am not Mr America, or the poloriod of atlas stylings, I am me, and I found a girl on the other site who thinks that my 5'9 265 lbs irish/italian person was super sexy, and even with her being a few steps off from Ms America or The Goddess aphroditie, I find her to be totaly Amazing... I guess its true, personality can overshaddow ones looks... but the OP'er seems to be a little jaded and wanting cinderella instead of Mistress X

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 6:22:38 PM   
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To be fair, he does mention in the previous entry he wrote a story about how he wishes it would go.

Beyond that, to the OP, get over yourself, and keep looking.


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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 6:30:37 PM   
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(Disclaimer, my woman is friends with this guy in real life)

Boy am I glad I am not a male submissive, the hostility here is a bit much.  Considering the idiots we have seen flood the boards recently, this guy seems almost charming in comparison. 

Yes he has fantasies, don't any of you?  I know I have a lot of them and some are pretty over the top. 

The guy is fucking hot, if I looked that good my dick would be a half inch shorter and lot thinner from overuse.  The fact that he wants someone who is above average in looks doesn't seem horribly unreasonable to me, we DO get to ask for what we want don't we?  He hasn't denigrated "house fraus" that was someone else he just politely stated his preference.

Rather than attack the poor guy, why not give him suggestions or is the fact he dared to ask for someone he was attracted to mean all he is going to get out of this gang is vitriol? 

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 6:31:04 PM   
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Whoops, missed that.........

edited to add: I still wish him luck because if that is how he wishes it, it is a BDSM version of a Penthouse story.

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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 6:33:27 PM   
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I don't think it's a crime to have a really tightly conceptualized fantasy. It is, however, going to be a search to find someone who has a tightly scripted fantasy that happens to comprise the other part IN yours.

You could look for the pro who "gets" it and enjoys the thought enough to roll with it. Probably the fastest link to getting what you need. Or you can just keep looking. But as for "why is it so hard?" see above.



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RE: Looking for a Little Help Here... - 8/9/2007 6:39:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kc692

I was going to give an honest answer to the boy, and still think that there may be one out there for him, because after all, some of us could care less what a houseboy looks like, if that is truly all he is, but then I read his wank fantasy in his journal, which was written to look like it really happened just yesterday, and lost all the encouraging words I was going to offer.

kc,
housebitch has become a fairly good friend of mine in this past year.  As a matter of fact, he is the one who told me about CM and anyone who reads my posts knows that  this place has changed my life (**wink to SM).  So I have to take responsibilty for him writing and posting that story to his journal. He was having a hard time conveying to me some thoughts and desires (they are still allowed to have some desires, yes?) and I told him to write them out..
I read it, thought it was very well written, and had him put it on his profile.  OK, so I will freely admit to liking wank fodder (*nods to Aakasha), so what's wrong with that?  He writes well.
I can tell you that he IS NOT  looking for sex.  He honestly and truly wants only to serve and be looked at as an unimportant thing..
Is there any sub here who doesn't want someone who they at least have some chemistry with?

Please guys, I have been encouraging him to come to the boards for weeks to ask for advice..  Could you help the guy out just a little?

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