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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/22/2007 7:49:02 AM   
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Get over it, man.




What is sad is that too many people are incapable of getting over being slighted, or emotionally capable of refusing to take the mantle of having to exact revenge on other people for reasons which 1000 years later nobody remembers where it started.

1000 years from now, people in Brazil will send mail bombs to citizens of Sri Lanka in order to exact revenge for 9/11.

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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/22/2007 7:53:26 AM   
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The cheek of it !

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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/22/2007 7:56:18 AM   
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    Just an interesting coincidence this year.  The beginning of Ramadan (the day before it begins) is marked by feasting and celebration.  This year, that will take place on 9/11.  What do you figure the chances are the Muslim Community will cancel their party out of sensitivity to Americans?


Called you up on your lies, Heretic. And guess what? I found out, for myself, that Ramadan 2007 begins on September 13th. You may rest in peace, my child.

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Ramadan 1428 H Begins in North America on Thursday, September 13, Eid on Friday, October 12, 2007, According to ISNA
 

 
http://www.ccun.org/News/2007/August/18%20n/Ramadan%201428%20H%20Begins%20in%20North%20America%20on%20Thursday,%20September%2013,%20Eid%20on%20Friday,%20October%2012,%202007,%20According%20to%20ISNA.htm

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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/22/2007 8:23:34 AM   
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I am merely telling Heretic that Ramadan isn't a month of parties and frolics. It's a decidely difficult endeavour. Yes, some people have a ball from sunset to sunrise.




  Then perhaps you should try having a clue what you are talking about before you try to "educate" me.  The first day of fasting this year falls on 9/12.  It's the night before that could cause distress to the folks who aren't allowed to be insensitive to them.


1st off,any suggestion that Muslims world wide should refrain from "partying" before Ramadan,is ridiculous.
Calling it partying, is as insulting as calling Christmas, a party(which it`s not.)

Any mindless banter or self-victimization that follows, is just immaturity disguised as opinion.

Only a republican would think,and even worse embarrass himself, to say that out loud.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now that we`ve killed over a half million innocent Iraqis,how do the neo-cons suggest we in the US,should  recognize that?Using neo-con logic,we should be doing something in deference to the Iraqis,to honor their losses.(after all,bush and the neo-cons are directly responsible for this disaster)

Maybe a "Misery Accomplished"day,held on,say, the day we invaded Iraq?Or a few weeks later,when bush strutted with the sock in his jock,on the aircraft carrier?(remember "mission accomplished"?)

We could  eat bad food,and drink bad water,in honor of what we`re putting the Iraqis through.We could go most or all of the day, without electricity,.....to show solidarity with the Iraqi people.We could go with out hot,running water for the day,and forget about TV/internet.Using those things, would be insulting to our Iraqi brothers.<all meant sarcastically and to insult republicans,neo-cons,bush-lickers>

Of course this is all ridiculous.Just as ridiculous as neo-conservatives


Funny how it`s the freest,most comfortable,best fed,most well off people in the world,that are the angriest,and most selfish.






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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/22/2007 5:32:21 PM   
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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/22/2007 7:02:37 PM   
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Interesting that none of this has been reported in the UK.


This looks like an opinion piece, masquerading as news...

Has anyone actually checked to see if this is true?

Or is it just another chance for bigots to rant.




I have checked both the BBC news website and Sky News and this does not appear anywhere. If it has been reported here then it has not been much of a story.

once more, as they say..
"UPDATE: The hospital boards in Scotland have since denied the allegations against them, though they admit advising hospitals to consider avoiding working lunches during Ramadan if Muslims would normally participate in them, and to consider altering the route of lunch trolleys to accommodate “sensitive colleagues who adhere to the Muslim faith.”"
...for those who didn't read the early part of the thread.  working lunches are mandatory meetings, as I understand them.

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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/22/2007 7:55:26 PM   
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I was under the impression that a fast or giving something up for lent was meant to be a sacrifice of something that brought pleasure and you were going to do without it to make god happy.  My question is if it is easy then how much of a sacrifice is it?  So lets get the goodies out and feast in front of all those who want to sacrifice something so that god will like them better...the harder we make it the more god will like them...
I have always been a giver
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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/22/2007 10:55:13 PM   
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Called you up on your lies, Heretic.



      Found a little time to check your link, Kitten.  What a load of crap.  How many times did you have to Google to come up with that?   Fourth or fifth set of search terms?

     I heard about this on Monday.  What I'm noticing this evening is how many of the mosque/center websites now have the calendar restricted.  Want to hear something shocking?  Something that will screw up your entire approach to calling me names?  I didn't hear about this on Fox News.  I know a few people of that faith, and one of them doesn't seem to know me very well at all.  I was invited to one of the celebration feasts.  I'm pretty sure about the date.

      Hell, I feel a little better knowing at least few are making noise.  Your effort wasn't completely wasted.  Thanks for that.


edit to add:  I checked my earlier link.  It doesn't work anymore.   

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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/23/2007 1:09:55 AM   
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I just can't understand why people put themselves through this brain fever, it is not as if there is someone up there demanding this nonsense and if there is, he/it/she doesn't deserve any notice being taken of them.


Exactly. They revel in their self-righteous indignation. They actually enjoy it. They build themselves up as victims and that enables them to point the finger at their imagined enemy.

That's how wars are started: I think it's fucking pathetic.


that sounds exactly like these people who scream racist antisemitism dunna it.


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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/23/2007 1:11:16 AM   
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agreed!


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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/23/2007 1:13:20 AM   
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Just a general comment:
As an atheist I tend to go out of my way to be rude to all the religious ass-wipes out there who would seek to impose their particular brand of bullshit upon me.
With the possible exception of the goddess Issis who wants me to eat her pussy and fuck her till her asshole puckers.
thompson


I'll drink to that one!


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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/23/2007 2:38:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bin Laden also wanted dearly for Bush to invade Iraq to help with his Al Qaida recruitment efforts. Right on cue, the dumb tool of the neocons complied.

Maybe Michael Moore was onto something when he extensively reviewed the connections the Bushes have to the bin Laden family.

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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/23/2007 3:02:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the continuing theme of jarring people out of their limited Americentric mindset, here's another reason to mourn 9/11. We did a similar thing in Iran in 1953, which led to the hostage takeover, and an enduring antipathy toward the US. The ungrateful infidels.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=4162

Remembering Chile's 9/11

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The events of September 11th were horrific, tragic, and criminal on a monumental scale. Planes flew low over an American nation's leading city. Buildings erupted in flames. There was an official death toll of more than 3,000. Thousands of innocent people were ruthlessly slaughtered. Their loved ones were placed in horrible suspense, waiting to learn the fate of missing husbands, wives, sisters, cousins, and children. An American country was left in shock, with an uncertain future, as the perpetrators evaded capture and punishment. September 11th was a dark, bloody day of historic proportions. It was a prelude to regression, repression and heightened bloodshed.

Yes, the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Chile's president Salvadore Allende on September 11th, 1973 was a terrible watershed. The low-flying planes belonged to the Chilean Air Force. They came on the orders of Chilean General Augusto Pinochet to bomb La Moneda Presidential Palace, where Allende, a self-declared Marxist, killed himself before he could be assassinated. Hundreds of real and suspected Allende supporters were gunned down in Santiago's soccer stadium, fashioned into a torture center and concentration camp. Across the nation, in the streets and military detention centers, Pinochet's forces murdered 20,000 and tortured 60,000 in the first few months after 9/11/1973. One million Chileans were forced into exile. According to leading international relations analyst William I. Robinson, it was "the bloodiest coup in Latin-American history" (Robinson, Promoting Polyarchy: Globalization, US Intervention, and Hegemony [Cambridge, MA: Cambridge University Press, 1996], p. 46).


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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/23/2007 3:18:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		The reason some web site differ on the start date is that Ramadan starts after the full moon. Some may go by the astronomical date while others wait for the first actual sighting. Just a point about partying, it takes place at the end of Ramadan and not the start.
Working lunches are common in the UK as is the practice of staying at the work place to eat. Be it a desk or a factory workbench.

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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/23/2007 4:41:03 PM   
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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/23/2007 7:54:24 PM   
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RAMADAN 1428 / 2007 — September 12 - October 11
FIRST NIGHT OF TARAWEEH: Tuesday, September 11th
FIRST DAY OF FASTING: Wednesday, September 12th
LAYLAT AL-QADR: Monday, October 8th
EID AL-FITR: Friday, October 12th
 
 
       I'll await your apology, Kitten, but I won't be holding my breath..


( Sorry about the giant font.  I know there IS a way to fix that but damned if I can do it)

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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/23/2007 8:20:45 PM   
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The reason some web site differ on the start date is that Ramadan starts after the full moon. Some may go by the astronomical date while others wait for the first actual sighting. Just a point about partying, it takes place at the end of Ramadan and not the start.
Working lunches are common in the UK as is the practice of staying at the work place to eat. Be it a desk or a factory workbench.

In Saudi they go for sighting, which may take a few days if there are obscured skies.  This drives Western, long-term planners nuts.  Others are as noted above, going by the predicted phase of the moon.

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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/24/2007 3:07:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the UK they have often done both. Some individuals starting a day apart from each other. Either or, it still doesnt alter the fact that Ramadan doesnt start with a feast.

Still no news of the op in the main UK press either.

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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/24/2007 6:36:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		       You are correct that the really big party comes at the end, Polite.  Three days worth of party, in fact, so the coincidence of timing could be worse.  The night before the first day of the fast is also celebrated.  A rough analogy to what you are saying would be that Thanksgiving is irrelevant to the American holiday season because presents aren't exchanged until Christmas (30 odd days later).

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RE: Scotland and Italy surrender to Islam - 8/24/2007 6:47:39 AM   
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      You are correct that the really big party comes at the end, Polite.  Three days worth of party, in fact, so the coincidence of timing could be worse.  The night before the first day of the fast is also celebrated.  A rough analogy to what you are saying would be that Thanksgiving is irrelevant to the American holiday season because presents aren't exchanged until Christmas (30 odd days later).


Rich:
That is not even in the same zip code with a rough analogy.  Two completely different holidays for two completely different concepts developed over a thousand years apart.
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