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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/10/2005 2:03:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

Funny, I was thinking it was not pc in this community for Dom/Dommes to state anything that might call into question anyone else's idea of 'submission', despite that fact a lot of what people are wanting to engage in ISN'T giving up control, but rather controlling what it is they give up and labelling it 'submission'.



i know that i am all ready to give up some control, and
i know that i am somewhat ready to give up all control

but to to be all ready to give up all control??

I can't even do that for my God...

part of what i seek in a Dom is the ability to lead me...take me where i haven't gone, can't go of my own volition, and where i am adamently unwilling to go...note i said lead, not force. all is takes is trust in Him.

Seems the cart is front of the horse here...instead of listing every way they expect to be served, wouldn't a Dom do well to disclose the things that demostrate their worthiness of the trust neccessary to build this kind of relationship??

Tell me and show me why i can trust you and then lead me down Your path.


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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/10/2005 8:31:31 PM   
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To the OP...welcome to collarme and the forums and hang in there.
Due to 4 pages of comments, I will just hit the highlights of what I got from all this:
Yes, it is easy to have a post taken the wrong way. But I do feel this is a very good point:


quote:

I have sent notes to a few potential submissive females...

Pardon my noticing, but it seems many subs here....



Perhaps the many you refer to are from browsing profiles you find distateful? You don't specifiy. But jumping from a few emails to "many subs here" can make it appear that you are making a sweeping judgement. And perhaps a little too quickly.

Judgements: I make them, everybody makes them whether they want to admit it or not. Some people are just more discreet about it. And judgements can be good or bad. It can go either way. I am sure I have been judged as a bad FemDom or not a "real" Domina many times. I know I have to My face. I am sure I have been behind My back. In the end it doesn't really matter to Me, because I know who I am. And I do try to represent Myself as accurately as I can. I always try to put My best foot forward, but I am not going to agree with everybody all the time, and everybody is not going to agree with Me all the time. How far that disagreement can go, and how much I allow that to affect My judgement of somebody, or how much somebody allows that to affect their judgement of Me, is an individual call.

Discussing things up front: I agree that it might seem offensive. But it is a timesaver. I have a lot of information in My profile, but I still get alot of emails that list all the kink and limits and what they have to have sexually on a daily basis. That is most of what I see in profiles also, when there is one. There is no need to make it a continual focus, but I am not here to make friends, or hook up for casual play via My profile. I am looking for slaves. A boy will wash out fast when he offers (probably mistakenly thinking he is impressing Me with his willingness) that he want to be My cuckold slut. Tells Me right off the bat that I am not interested. Also tells Me he didn't pay a whole lot of attention to My profile. LadyAngelika probably knows more about Me and My expectations than most of the boys who write to Me. But She has taken the time to get to know Me through these message boards. Most of the people on this site never come here.

Photos: Statistically, most males will search via photo. If there isn't one, a Lady's profile will hardly ever be seen. But most males do not post a photo. I realized that a first email does not allow an attachment. So until a correspondence is established, it is not possible to even send a photo. But, a photo is nice and most ladies would like to see one.

Orientation selections: There isn't a whole lot to choose from. So I agree that until people put more into their profiles, and are honest about it, and people start taking the time to actually read them and try to realistically absorb that information, there will be a lot of misunderstandings. A female is a female. (Most of the time?) A male is a male. (Most of the time?) And (supposedly) a Dominant is a Dominant. I can't get into switches. But the confusion between slave and submissive is never going to go away. And nobody has the option of just saying they are a bottom or a top, except in a profile. I am not sure I have ever seen a male profile that admits he is just a bottom looking for kink. (I usually find that out after a couple of emails!) But there are probably some. No reason to get all bent out of shape about it. Shit happens. Everybody isn't a match. I don't answer all the one liners I get. But about about once a week I get pissed off and I will let a boy have it. I can deal with about 50 idiotic emails and then I will usually blow. So the boy who wrote the 51st email is the unfortunate recipient of My wrath. *Shrugs*

Slave vs. sub: I look for slaves. I want their limits and values to match My limits and values. That take some exploration. I can find out pretty fast if there is any hope at all. Everybody has some sort of wish fulfillment. And submissives have a tendency to lay their wishes out. Actually slaves do also. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not looking anyway until I get an email. And maybe I am fine with some or all of your wishes. We'll see. I have had boys write to Me and tell Me they are not slaves, but they are sure they are what I want. Sometimes I explore for a while. They never are, but I stay open to it.
Slaves = needs = food, water, shelter, air to breathe. Additional needs = emergency medical attention. Final needs = some sort of emotional fulfillment. Not sexual. Although that can be taken into consideration also. But if My sexual fulfillment doesn't match yours, don't come knocking at My door. And I think that is more in line with what Jasmyn is referring to when She says
quote:

...what people are wanting to engage in ISN'T giving up control, but rather controlling what it is they give up and labelling it 'submission'.


In seeking slaves, We do look for someone who is ready to give up control and transfer all authority. We are ready to have the power over everything. If you are not ready to give it, after you have taken a bit of time to get to know the Dominant you think you want, then that is your own fault. There is no more negotiation after the fact. Not in My M/s relationship. I did My best to describe "slave" in My profile. I can't help it if many read that and still try to put their own spin on My words.
Here's a sweeping generalization <tongue in cheek, of course> for you! In the end it seems that all anybody knows for sure is that all females on a BDSM site must be sluts and whores, and all males on a BDSM site must be nothing but HNG's looking for a quick way to get off. It makes it hard for the men who are gentlemen, both Dominant and submissive. It makes it hard for the ladies who are "ladies", both Dominant and submissive. So I guess we are back to the old argument over definitions. Since there doesn't seem to be any basic definition anymore, but it is, rather, a subjective thing, everybody will just have to keep digging through the piles until everybody finds the right match.

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 7/10/2005 8:37:22 PM >


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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/10/2005 8:53:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Handspankingdom

I have sent notes to a few potential submissive females, however I have been greatly disappointed with their responses (one liners seeking pictures) and ability to communicate/relay their thougts as they pertain to D's. Indeed, a few subs don't really seem to grasp the concept of submitting at all, by starting with limits and then listing their likes and dislikes/do's and don'ts.


You're probably lucky you got that. If you contacted me and your first questions were about sex rather than me, I wouldn't have responded at all.


quote:


By calling ALL the shots (when, where, what, etc.), they are- in actuality, foot stomping subs, topping from the bottom.

Any thoughts?


You're not their Dom. And until such point happens, they have every right to call shots.

A D/s relationship is a mutually beneficial relationship, and even though they're sub, they have as much right to gain happiness out of it as you do. The way to find out if that will happen is to communicate wants, needs and expectations.




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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/10/2005 9:00:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

To the OP...welcome to collarme and the forums and hang in there.

Photos: Statistically, most males will search via photo. If there isn't one, a Lady's profile will hardly ever be seen. But most males do not post a photo. I realized that a first email does not allow an attachment.


You can send a picture with the first message, but it's not at all obvious. On the CM home page above the currently shown profile is a button labeled "Send Picture". Click it to send a picture and a note.

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/10/2005 10:03:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slatyb

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

To the OP...welcome to collarme and the forums and hang in there.

Photos: Statistically, most males will search via photo. If there isn't one, a Lady's profile will hardly ever be seen. But most males do not post a photo. I realized that a first email does not allow an attachment.


You can send a picture with the first message, but it's not at all obvious. On the CM home page above the currently shown profile is a button labeled "Send Picture". Click it to send a picture and a note.


I see it! A photo can be sent with the first quick note. I don't think it can be done if one clicks on the "View Full Profile"...I don't see it on that page.
Very cool! Thank you!

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/10/2005 10:10:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slatyb

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

To the OP...welcome to collarme and the forums and hang in there.

Photos: Statistically, most males will search via photo. If there isn't one, a Lady's profile will hardly ever be seen. But most males do not post a photo. I realized that a first email does not allow an attachment.


You can send a picture with the first message, but it's not at all obvious. On the CM home page above the currently shown profile is a button labeled "Send Picture". Click it to send a picture and a note.


There are quite a few of us that thank you for this information, smiles....

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/10/2005 11:15:59 PM   
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That may be true, but I don't search via photo--so there are some males who actually care about what's written in the box to the right. I don't have a photo in my profile because I think it's imprudent for anyone with a career to do so, but I don't mind sending a photo to people who ask.

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Photos: Statistically, most males will search via photo. If there isn't one, a Lady's profile will hardly ever be seen. But most males do not post a photo. I realized that a first email does not allow an attachment. So until a correspondence is established, it is not possible to even send a photo. But, a photo is nice and most ladies would like to see one.


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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/10/2005 11:19:38 PM   
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I said most! We already know you are a rare one, Lam! *W*

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/11/2005 3:24:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
That may be true, but I don't search via photo--so there are some males who actually care about what's written in the box to the right.

Man that's a turn on!!
quote:

I don't have a photo in my profile because I think it's imprudent for anyone with a career to do so, but I don't mind sending a photo to people who ask.

I concur 100%. I operate on the same principle.

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/11/2005 4:56:57 AM   
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quote:



quote:

I don't have a photo in my profile because I think it's imprudent for anyone with a career to do so, but I don't mind sending a photo to people who ask.

I concur 100%. I operate on the same principle.

- LA


Not necessarily, some people like me can be really out with reasonable security even with my career. Depends on who you are and what you do. The Owner doesn't put pics out because of that.

But, you're smart and you recognize that not having a pic up will likely change the responses you get from people, instead of so much pouting we see here about people not getting the responses they want.

I personally do screen by pics and if someone doesn't have one up, it's likely going to be far less likely I will write to them.

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/11/2005 9:46:05 AM   
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quote:

That may be true, but I don't search via photo--so there are some males who actually care about what's written in the box to the right. I don't have a photo in my profile because I think it's imprudent for anyone with a career to do so, but I don't mind sending a photo to people who ask.


Notes has asked for Lam pic some time ago and still nothing, <giggles>

pleasureforHim

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/11/2005 11:14:13 AM   
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I never sentcha my pic? OK, you've got mail.

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/11/2005 10:26:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold


quote:

ORIGINAL: slatyb

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

To the OP...welcome to collarme and the forums and hang in there.

Photos: Statistically, most males will search via photo. If there isn't one, a Lady's profile will hardly ever be seen. But most males do not post a photo. I realized that a first email does not allow an attachment.


You can send a picture with the first message, but it's not at all obvious. On the CM home page above the currently shown profile is a button labeled "Send Picture". Click it to send a picture and a note.


I see it! A photo can be sent with the first quick note. I don't think it can be done if one clicks on the "View Full Profile"...I don't see it on that page.
Very cool! Thank you!

Glad to be of service.

You can't do it from the "Full Profile" page. It's not the best design, but for the money this site totally rocks. It may even be as good as EmeraldSlave2's profile.

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/11/2005 10:45:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Photos: Statistically, most males will search via photo. If there isn't one, a Lady's profile will hardly ever be seen. But most males do not post a photo. I realized that a first email does not allow an attachment. So until a correspondence is established, it is not possible to even send a photo. But, a photo is nice and most ladies would like to see one.



I don't know about most males. I read all the profiles that are local to me. It seems only fair, since I did not post my own picture. A picture is nice, but a well-written profile gets my attention, and a poorly written profile loses it. A good profile states clearly what is wanted, and gives some idea of the personality of the writer. Negative profiles, with a long list of what is unacceptable, are big turn-offs, indicating that either the author has consistently made bad choices, or is hypercritical and will not be happy with anyone for long.

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/12/2005 5:18:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slatyb

You can't do it from the "Full Profile" page. It's not the best design, but for the money this site totally rocks. It may even be as good as EmeraldSlave2's profile.

LOL nonconsensual teasing!!!!

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/12/2005 7:30:09 AM   
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You grasped my point perfectly on the message board. I am often amused by doms who trumpet their vast experiences as being positive or trying to portray themselves as "more" successful with submissive women. There is no right and wrong way to sub/dom relationships, just what two people perceive what they want out of it. In reality, whether it's a vanilla relationship or a D's relationship, no amount of time spent on chat or on an IRC program will make you 100% compatible with everyone.

To ignore the fact that many doms/subs on collarme.com are seeking wish fulfillment would be blind faith and will likely keep an individual on IRC/chat for very long periods of time-- a luxury that I don't afford myself having a job and vanilla life as well.

I appreciate your thoughts.

M :-)

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/12/2005 7:50:34 AM   
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Firstly, I am a patient and understanding person (I believe in friends first). I am not seeking a mindless slave nor anyone that would submit to me without any regard for their emotional / physical limits.

I am also considered attractive, athletic with a wide range of interests. My interest in D's is a part of my sexuality, not my whole identity-- therefore I am unable to spend hours upon hours chatting on-line or posting on bulletin boards. My time investment would be better spent on sharing on a personal level with a person who may share similiar interests and "hopefully" we could expand on these thoughts.

I apologize to those on this board whom felt my post was heavy handed or cynic. It was not meant to be.

No helium head here :-)

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/12/2005 7:58:30 AM   
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[You're probably lucky you got that. If you contacted me and your first questions were about sex rather than me, I wouldn't have responded at all.]

Where you got the notion that it was about sex, is beyond me. However, when a girl lists anal sex in their interests, I would assume this would be fair game... No?

[You're not their Dom. And until such point happens, they have every right to call shots.]

You're wrong! In the beginning, no one person calls the shots. They share their ideas and interests to see if they're a fit. A point which I emphasized in my post, but which you carefully dissected.

[A D/s relationship is a mutually beneficial relationship, and even though they're sub, they have as much right to gain happiness out of it as you do. The way to find out if that will happen is to communicate wants, needs and expectations.]

Agreed! I am all for mutual enjoyment, but would you consider a one line response a sincere attempt at trying to foster mutual enjoyment-- or for that matter, a chance a learning about each other's likes/dislikes?

My initial perception of this site (when I received a few one word replies to my notes) was disappointing.

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/12/2005 8:06:18 AM   
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Jesus Christ...not this again.

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RE: Domspeak: The subs on collarme?? - 7/12/2005 8:07:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Handspankingdom
Where you got the notion that it was about sex, is beyond me. However, when a girl lists anal sex in their interests, I would assume this would be fair game... No?

Sure, just like the other dozen or so interests. But when you're getting to know someone, asking about sex directly and right off the bat is generally rude and turn-off UNLESS the person is specifically at a swingers club or just want's to get laid.

And if you want that, check out craigslist, you will get a better set of options and responses.

Approach someone online just as you would offline, when you shake hands with someone, asking about anal sex isn't likely to lead to more conversation.

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