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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 7:58:06 PM   
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This isnt anything that would appeal to me personally...having said that, its also NOT my call...i am OWNED property, therefore my Master can do that(rent/loan me out) if He wishes....


Do you consider yourself posessed of a fundamental right to liberate yourself from slavery?
Yes i do


Even animals can run away if sufficiently mistreated. Plants will simply die.

And inanimate objects break.
I dont recall saying i was mistreated...

I realize this might be a difficult question, but if he were to choose to rent you out, would you cooperate without knowing any of the details about who it would be, what would be expected of you, and what if any limits were agreed to?
Yes...i would. I trust my Master to make those choices.


Would you cooperate if it only involved you and the client elsewhere, no other individuals or precautions involved?
If thats what my Master agreed upon , sure...

Or would you then recognize and invoke your fundamental right to liberate yourself?
Recognize what exactly?...and liberate myself why? because my Master is excerizing His rights over me?..."Oh my Lord!!!...somebody call the BDSM police!!"


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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 9:37:37 PM   
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Violence Against Women Is Predominantly Intimate Partner Violence
 
Exhibit 26. Percentage Distribution of Adult Victims of Violence by
Victim-Perpetrator Relationship. All Types of Victimization.
 
Intimate Partner* -- 64.0
 
Relative Other Than Spouse -- 6.4
 
Acquaintance --  16.4
 
Stranger -- 14.6
 
*Intimate partners include current and former spouses, opposite-sex and same-sex cohabiting partners, boyfriends/girlfriends, and dates.
 
Note: Total percentages by victim gender exceed 100 because some victims had multiple assailants.
 
When only victims of rape and/or physical assault are considered, the results are similar: Women are predominantly victimized by current and former intimate partners and men are predominantly victimized by strangers (see exhibit 27).
 
Exhibit 27. Percentage Distribution of Adult Rape and Physical Assault
Victims by Victim-Perpetrator Relationship
 
Intimate  Partner* -- 76.0
 
Relative Other Than Spouse  -- 8.6
 
Acquaintance -- 16.8
 
Stranger -- 14.1
 
*Intimate partners include current and former spouses, opposite-sex and same-sex cohabiting partners, boyfriends/girlfriends,
and dates.
 
Note: Total percentages by victim gender exceed 100 because some victims had multiple perpetrators.
 
Based on U.S. Census estimates of the number of women age 18 and older, 201,394 U.S. women are raped by an intimate partner annually in the United States.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij
The National Institute of Justice (NIJ), a component of the Office of Justice Programs, the research agency of the U.S. Department of Justice.
 
A survey of murder cases that were adjudicated in 1988 in the courts of large urban counties indicated that 16 percent of murder victims were members of the defendant's family.  The remainder were murdered by friends or acquaintances (64%) or by strangers (20%).
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/assist/nvaa/ch16hom.htm
 
Data from the National Violence Against Women Survey indicate that violence against women is predominantly intimate partner violence. Of the women who reported being raped and/or physically assaulted since the age of eighteen, three-quarters were victimized by a current or former husband, cohabiting partner, date, or boyfriend (NIJ and CDC 1998, 12).

Approximately 20 to 30 percent of marriages in this country have been characterized at one point by overt interpersonal aggression (Straus and Gelles 1990; Straus, Gelles, and Steinmetz 1980), and about 1,800,000 to 4,000,000 women in the United States women are physically abused by their partners annually (Straus and Gelles 1986).
 
Women are up to six times as likely to suffer violence at the hands of a partner or ex-partner than from a stranger (Bachman and Saltzman 1995), and are more likely to suffer injury when their assailant is an intimate (Bachman and Saltzman 1995).
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/assist/nvaa2002/chapter9.html
 
 
Victim Offender Relationship by Victim Gender, 1976-2005    
 
Percent of homicide victims by gender Victim/Offender relationship
                                         Male        Female
Intimate                            5.0 %       30.0 %
Spouse                            3.0            18.3  
Ex-spouse                       0.2              1.4  
Boyfriend/Girlfriend       1.8            10.4  
       
Other family                     6.8 %       11.8 %
Parent                               1.3              2.8  
Child                                 2.1              5.4  
Sibling                              1.2              0.9  
Other family                     2.2              2.8  
        
Acquaintance/Known     35.3 %       21.8 %
Neighbor                           1.1             1.3  
Employee/er                      0.1             0.1  
Friend/Acquaintance    29.4           17.0  
Other Known                    4.6             3.4  
          
Stranger                           15.5 %        8.7 %
          
Undetermined                   37.4 %       27.6 %
 
Source: FBI, Supplementary Homicide Reports, 1976-2005.
 
With numbers like these, it seems that the riskiest thing for women to do is to get married or have a boyfriend.  Maybe marriage and having a boyfriend should be against the law, in order to protect women from violent attacks.
 
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

It just occurred to me that in the worst case scenario, we'll never know what happened because Missturbation won't be able to come back and tell us how she barely surivived a really bad situation.

In a worst case scenario, Missturbation won't survive a really bad situation.

I'm reminded of all the prostitutes in the Vancouver area who were murdered by that serial killer.

Just how empowered were they for all the money they took in?

Any wonder so many people are concerned for the well-being of prostitutes?

Its fine to talk of empowerment of women. But one man with a knife can disembowel that empowerment in an instant.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 11:36:59 PM   
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Wow, really? I would absolutely feel empowered, seriously a man is paying CASH, greenbacks to use pussy, and all I have to do in a nutshell is be a good fuck or take a good beating or complete whatever task he puts me too... which I do anyway..and he is going to PAY R cash...for that?? R never leases anything or sells anything without making a good ROI. I wouldn't be the least bit concerned about not being returned to him in as good a condtion as he leased me in. My being returned in worse condition than sent could conceivably cost R money, be it in medical bills, time out of work for me, time he has to spend picking up the pieces...time is money. Hell will freeze over before he would let that happen. It really isn't like a car rental place, anybody with a valid credit card can rent the car..they have insurance against such damage..in the case of leasing a human, treating a profitable slave like a $29.95 a day ford focus rental seems not only unwise but unlikely if the owner has any business sense....if they destroy the focus the insurance company pays, your corp takes it as a loss, gets a tax break, you get a new focus to rent, and you get paid for all the days you are out that focus. If your slave gets hurt, injured, damaged, totaled and can't turn a profit for days, weeks, months or ever again, you lose what is passive cash flow for you as the owner...that is just bad business. I don't know many people who operate in business to lose money. I don't know owners who loan a slave out with the cavalier attitude of a national/international car rental corporation like enterprise rent a car...unless perhaps if they have a fleet of slaves and have a free endless supply of replacements, immediately available and ready to hit the road and turn a profit. Do you know many owners like that?

I absolutely would feel empowered knowing a man was forking out his cold hard cash for pussy he could probably get for free and with far less stipulations from a submissive woman he met say here or a bar or church.





tho i can understand why a free, independent woman who chooses this line of work totally of her own volition may feel empowered in doing so, but i do not understand how property can feel empowered. now the Owner of the property...that is a different story.

as far as the issue of risks/damage, i suppose it all depends on the Owner's primary motivations for renting out his slave. if the primary goal is to run a high-profit business (make the most $$$ possible), then he will do what is required in order to insure that the slave remains in top condition, being very selective in regard to Renters, screening, enforcing limits, etc. however what if this is not a business for the Owner, but rather the fulfillment of a perversion? this is the way it is for my Master...if he rents me out it is because it appeals to his nature to own a whore, to offer my services up to someone in exchange for cash. the real life profit has its benefits, but is only one very small part of his kink.

and yes he does view it very much like renting out any other property. at times he may be selective with who he loans me to, and take heavy safety precautions. but he is just as likely to hand me off to a random stranger who expresses an interest, and take little to no precautions. it's all about what is driving him at a particular moment. and there are moments when he is driven to make me feel as vulnerable and helpless as possible, to take great risks with what is his, simply because he can. it's a stark and sometimes necessary reminder to me that while i may be loved and valued, i'm still a piece of property and anything may be done with me, for any reason or for no reason at all. while most of my experiences in being rented out have been fairly incident/trauma free, there have been difficult ones and a couple where i have been significantly injured. but then the same thing has happened when i've been lent out free of charge, and with far greater frequency.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 10:48:42 AM   
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tho i can understand why a free, independent woman who chooses this line of work totally of her own volition may feel empowered in doing so, but i do not understand how property can feel empowered. now the Owner of the property...that is a different story.


It is really simple. It is because a man is forking out his cash to get laid by a female. Even as an owned female I find that empowering. A man is paying for pussy. The fact that R would be getting the money is no less empowering to me. I very often feel fantastic and on top of the world when I'm profitable for him.

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as far as the issue of risks/damage, i suppose it all depends on the Owner's primary motivations for renting out his slave. if the primary goal is to run a high-profit business (make the most $$$ possible), then he will do what is required in order to insure that the slave remains in top condition, being very selective in regard to Renters, screening, enforcing limits, etc. however what if this is not a business for the Owner, but rather the fulfillment of a perversion? this is the way it is for my Master...if he rents me out it is because it appeals to his nature to own a whore, to offer my services up to someone in exchange for cash. the real life profit has its benefits, but is only one very small part of his kink.



Perversion or not, its a better paycheck and easier work then lets lots of other jobs an owner could put a slave too.

Clipped the rest because it get into owning liabilities vs assets, which is off-topic for this thread.


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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 12:25:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

To no one in particular:

It just occurred to me that in the worst case scenario, we'll never know what happened because Missturbation won't be able to come back and tell us how she barely surivived a really bad situation.
Oh please!!

In a worst case scenario, Missturbation won't survive a really bad situation.
Oh my how dramatic are you?

I've never opposed the concept of prostitution. A woman's body is her own to do with as she pleases, and to exploit as she wishes.
Then stop opposing me.

However, I do not believe it is anyone's right to tell a woman what to do with her body, unless she grants that right.
I have granted that right and i WANT to do this.

If Missfortunate were to be murdered while on a job, what would her master do?
I can't answer that. Highly unlikely His friend is going to murder me though.

Would he call the cops, say he was her master and had hired her out and now she's murdered?
I can't answer that.

Let's say she's critically injured.

Will he bring her to a hospital and explain how she sustained her injuries?
I'm getting bored now.

For by the nature of their relationship, I believe the law would hold him personally liable for anything that happened to her.
I wouldn't involve Him so thats not gonna happen.

The law doesn't like pimps.
You're funny.

And while this might argue that he'll be careful whom he selects as a client, it also argues that he'll divorce himself as much as possible to avoid civil and criminal liability should anything go wrong (accidents happen, after all).
Who are you to say what Sir would do?

So ya, the OP tripped a whole bunch of alarms for those of us who believe in empowerment of everyone and who posess some real-world pragmatism.
No, my kink is not your kink and you are being judgemental.

If Missturbation wants to do this under her own steam, taking her own risks at her discretion, doing her own research and arranging her own safeguards, I've no problem.
You're kidding right?

So her master is on the hook for liability, and if he guesses wrong, we'll never know about it, 'cause Missturbation won't be around to tell us about it.

My alarms are still humming away.
Well go hum elsewhere - you don't like the idea - fine, but please just get off your soap box and accept that i am free to do as i choose and just because you dont like my choice doesnt make it wrong.



Wonder what the chances are that you'll ignore me yet again lol?

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 12:27:18 PM   
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Are crack whores being "empowered" when paid for sex?
If you want to get technical yes. They then go buy the drugs and are empowered by them.


Well, there I was thinking that none of what was being said really mattered to me, given that I am overjoyed that Miss T is getting her kink on in a way that she wants, a kink that frankly gets me hawt too..

But really (and I am neither a crack addict, nor prostitute) I cannot agree with this point. If I think that someone who is under an addiction so powerful that she/he is selling her body, not for the pleasure of the sex, or the pleasure of extracting money from men for the use of her pussy (or whichever bit) that she is willing to sell her body for it, then she is not empowered. If she shoplifts for the drug, then she is not empowered, if she steals from her mother's purse, she is not empowered. The drug is empowered. Her dealer is empowered. But the prostitute is not empowered for she is simply doing it to feed an addiction and addictions are not empowering.

I think there are women and men that sell sex for reasons of empowerment. I'm sure that there are some do it because thats their kink, I'm sure some do it for the empowerment of doing it to have a good standard of living, but I, like Miss T live in an are of Britain where the range of sexual services can be from $5 to $500. However much the cost the job, if the prostitute is being exploited its still wrong. We can argue all day or night whether the client is exploiting the prostitute or the prostitute is exploiting the client but if the client is picking up a girl on the street wearing almost nothing in the middle of winter charging by the act, rather than the hour - I know who I  perceive is usually holding the reins in this particular exchange.

I know this is a bit of a hijack, I certainly don't wish anything but congratulation for MissT and her arrangement - but i do think its a shame if people can't post their concerns about prostitution in general without a flame.

i.e. PLEASE don't flame me



I was being sarcastic hun
Lowest form of wit i know but hey, sue me!

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 12:30:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Bob reminds me back when I was in the AOL chatrooms and the nasty cyber chicks there would tell me I'd end up dead in a gutter somewhere if I kept up my behavior.

Somehow I ended up in a luxury apartment complex in Austin...go figure.  I've no doubt we'll be hearing good things from Missturbation in the future :)


I'm hoping so LA, i have no cmplaints so far in my adventures with Sir
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I used to hear about all the terrible things that could happen to me for being a stripper (gotcha LA, yup, i used to work at the old 408 Club for Mutsy Manafo and then the Stage Door/Encore for the Murpy/Sappington pair on the Block) and all i got out of that was 120 acre farm paid for in cash.
 
Then i heard an awful lot of horror stories about hanging around bikers and that currently has me in a 3000 sq ft Victorian in my own room, all the trimmings and i am a spoiled stay at home slave. '

Thank you - this has all been well planned and thought out.



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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 12:36:42 PM   
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We still didn't find out what the going rate is, did we?

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 12:43:17 PM   
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I've no idea what Sir got for me, i've not asked and i don't really want to know 

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 12:46:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation
Wonder what the chances are that you'll ignore me yet again lol?


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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 12:48:58 PM   
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Ever get the feeling someone doesn't like you very much?

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 12:51:55 PM   
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Heh heh.  I think he's got the entire collarchat community on block so that the only posts he reads are his own.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 12:54:04 PM   
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Well i think thats just plain rude lol

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 1:56:59 PM   
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MissT, Just make sure you come back and tell us all about it...........tell the boss I said so....( that'll fly about like a lead zeplin eh)

In all seriousness, I have been communicating with you for quite awhile now and I think I have a good grasp of why you are doing it. Because it gets you HOT! It's your thang! Not like anyone is being forced here, no innocents in danger. Gad, toss in the idea of sex for money and all those kinky BDSM/WIIWD/YourKinkisNotMyKink preachers get their leathers in a bunch.

Basically, if you are happy, then I am happy for you. And given the state of my checking acct, you are now officially .......out of my league........ le' sigh


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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 1:59:57 PM   
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MissT...do you have an idea of when this will go down?  Have you planned anything ?  Very curious. 
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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 2:11:13 PM   
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MissT, Just make sure you come back and tell us all about it...........tell the boss I said so....( that'll fly about like a lead zeplin eh)
I will certainly request to tell all

In all seriousness, I have been communicating with you for quite awhile now and I think I have a good grasp of why you are doing it. Because it gets you HOT! It's your thang! Not like anyone is being forced here, no innocents in danger. Gad, toss in the idea of sex for money and all those kinky BDSM/WIIWD/YourKinkisNotMyKink preachers get their leathers in a bunch.
It certainly does get me HOT!! Funnily enough when i was around 14/15 when asked what i wanted to be when i grew up i said porn star, lap dancer and hooker! Im fulfilling a childhood ambition lol.

Basically, if you are happy, then I am happy for you. And given the state of my checking acct, you are now officially .......out of my league........ le' sigh
Thank you
Oh and i would never charge you LaT, you can have me anytime for free
Im pretty sure Sir would not object lol.



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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 2:13:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tarisa

MissT...do you have an idea of when this will go down?  Have you planned anything ?  Very curious. 
~ Tarisa ~


There is no definate date yet. When it suits Sir and the gentleman i have been hired out to is all i can tell you for now.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 3:07:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

service is not about mutual love caring or respect...it's about DOING something for someone else

it seems to me far too many people are wrapping up service with that whole romance thing on this thread



What do you mean "far too many"?

For a lot of us, service and mutual caring and respect are inextricably linked.

Doesn't mean it has to be, but for those of us who feel that way, it is.

Personally I cannot and will not bring bdsm into a relationship where there is insufficient affection and respect. It is something I only share with those I care for.

Perhaps for you that's the definition of "crazy fuckers".

<shrug>

Isn't going to change anything for me. I've got 25+ years doing it my way and I've no complaints about it.

What have you got to compare with that?

On edit:
Crap. I'm arguing experience with someone who wasn't born until I was in my fourth+ year of bdsm.


Even though I am sure you still have me on block, I will venture to say I have just as many years in BDSM as you do, and I happen to agree with BoiJen. I may care for my property, I may cherish it, but it is just that.....property.

I have also had subs, not slaves that I had relationships with.  Different relationships, different strokes, different folks.  No one worse than the other.

I think that BoiJen has a wonderful head on her shoulders, and to denigrate her because of her age, highlights instead your own immaturity,.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 4:53:20 PM   
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If i where Owned and My Master or Mistress wanted to rent me out to another i would be ok but would depend on what i am required to do
but would most likly do it to please my Owner

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/28/2007 4:58:02 PM   
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Would you sell hot dogs from one of those carts?

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