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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/26/2007 10:06:32 PM   
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Laying low, tired as shit...In a rather chatty mood. Whip what is your brand....That was nice what you wrote the other day....Boijen...You make great posts...and you are a cutey.

Sorry for the momentary hijack.

Domiguy,
You seem to be tiring of the quick quips and getting all warm and fuzzy lately..
I have to say...I like it..


Yeah...I went to the Dr...Saw something in an Xray...Thought I might have a brain tumor...Was being polite and sensitive just in case...Turned out to be nothing....You have got great tits.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/26/2007 10:08:11 PM   
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It's not really peoples opinions of me that is bothering me. Its the general consensus (not all i know) of people who see prostitutes as some lowly form. They do a job just as most of us do in some form or other. We don't berate bankers, shop assistants etc.


One reason that some people dislike prostitutes so much is that they may deromanticize sex.  Sex, which is typically reserved as an expression of great love by many, is practiced as a casual transaction with a shocking low monetary value.  In this manner, prostitutes contradict the beliefs and value system of those who would reserve sex as a more intimate form of expression.

PS-  I'm too tired to judge if I'm being harsh where someone's senstive.  I do not mean to be rough on you, if this is the case.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/26/2007 10:11:12 PM   
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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/26/2007 10:13:28 PM   
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That's only because of how prostitution has been degraded within our culture as a way to disempower women and demonize sex as a whole- not a fact of prostitution in and of itself.


Might you explain how considering sex to be a priceless expression of love is either disempowering to women or demonizing of sex?

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/26/2007 10:21:18 PM   
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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/26/2007 10:25:05 PM   
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Because it says that unless you have and want sex FOR THOSE REASONS, then you're a bad girl, you're disassociated from being a "good woman/partner."


If one considers sex to be priceless, how might another who puts a very real monetary price on sex be a good partner for them?

Also, how is this disempowering to women in specific if male prostitutes are seen the same light?

PS-  I'm afraid I have to excuse myself for this evening.  I'll likely try to get back to this tommorow.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/26/2007 10:28:12 PM   
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If one considers sex to be priceless, how might another who puts a very real monetary price on sex be a good partner for them?

That's simply incompatibility- we were discussing the general nature of female sexual empowerment.
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Also, how is this disempowering to women in specific if male prostitutes are seen the same way in this view?

Male sexuality has for a very long time been kept to a completely separate set of standards from female sexuality- again as a way to disempower women.  In today's culture and for a long time, male prostitutes are the great minority and simply goes under the agenda to make "sex" into something bad and wrong.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/26/2007 10:40:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
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If one considers sex to be priceless, how might another who puts a very real monetary price on sex be a good partner for them?

That's simply incompatibility- we were discussing the general nature of female sexual empowerment.


I don't recall myself discussing "female sexual empowerment"- such a concept strikes me as rather.. well, superstitious, to be blunt.  Regardless..

Isn't being fundamentally incompatiable the same as "being bad"?  Violating the beliefs and goals of the one who would consider the subjective one "good" or "bad"?  (This is to say, if one violates another's belief that sex should be a sacred act via prostitution, does this not make the one bad in the other's view by definition?)


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Also, how is this disempowering to women in specific if male prostitutes are seen the same way in this view?

Male sexuality has for a very long time been kept to a completely separate set of standards from female sexuality- again as a way to disempower women.  In today's culture and for a long time, male prostitutes are the great minority and simply goes under the agenda to make "sex" into something bad and wrong.


I do not see how this addresses my question?

Is it beyond considering that some might legitimately value the intimacy of intercourse being a special act with no secret, sexist agenda?

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/26/2007 11:07:10 PM   
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Might you explain how considering sex to be a priceless expression of love is either disempowering to women or demonizing of sex?


Sex isn't "a priceless expression of love" for everyone.  i happen to love sex and i love being able to sexpress myself any way i feel is right for me, so long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
 
For me, my love for someone isn't expressed through my sexuality and my sexuality isn't expressed through my love.  i express my love for another in many ways other than by helping them have an orgasm.  i can love someone i am having sex with but, i don't have to.  i can simply love the experience of having sex with them and that can take many different forms, kinky and nonkinky but, it certainly doesn't have to include any feelings of love for them. 
 
And, if my Master wants to give me $5.00 to suck His dick, why shouldn't i be able to accept it from Him, without fear of going to jail?
 
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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/26/2007 11:25:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		This view that people are trying to keep women down instead of them just valuing sex is not only against the evidence but strikes me as spoken with an agenda in mind.  Do such individuals actually believe that people are trying to keep women down?  That they're trying to make sex this nasty thing?  Can they not grasp the notion that sex is simply something important to others?  But, here, I have seen one assume that people consider sex to be sacred just to be sexist.  This.. doesn't make sense.  It's not what has shown to be empirically true.  And it unnecesssarily assmes the worst in people.

Assumption of malicious intent in contradiction to reason disgusts me.

Edit:  I'd ask you excuse me, slavegirljoy, if any venom seems to be directed towards you.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 3:31:42 AM   
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Honestly while it is not for me, i see nothing wrong with it.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 5:54:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since this threat seems to have turned into " prostitute" i will add my 37 cents. (2 cents just doesn't buy anything anymore)  I have to say I have more respect for prostitute's than I do used car salesman  IRS agents people who wont work and can yet expect a government to pay for everything the list goes on.  A prostitute sells a service.  Most business sell a service. 

As far as sex as a way to express your deep love.  Yes this is true at times but you know what sometimes a fuck is just a fuck.  When you have someone bent over the back of the couch or you are bent over the back of the couch i dare say Cupid and flowers are not what is on your mind while you are grunting like an animal. 

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 6:05:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

It's not really peoples opinions of me that is bothering me. Its the general consensus (not all i know) of people who see prostitutes as some lowly form. They do a job just as most of us do in some form or other. We don't berate bankers, shop assistants etc.


One reason that some people dislike prostitutes so much is that they may deromanticize sex.  Sex, which is typically reserved as an expression of great love by many, is practiced as a casual transaction with a shocking low monetary value.  In this manner, prostitutes contradict the beliefs and value system of those who would reserve sex as a more intimate form of expression.

PS-  I'm too tired to judge if I'm being harsh where someone's senstive.  I do not mean to be rough on you, if this is the case.


Thank you, i had not thought of this point of view. I can see why some people would look at it this way. To some sex is linked with love intrinsically and all power to them.
I personally enjoy making love too but get something so raw, energised and animalistic out of being fucked that i rarely want to have any other kind of sex. It is my personal preference and i know it is not shared by everyone.
The money side, well you state the pay is shockingly low but this is not true in all cases. Yes, nearish to where i live you can get a hand job for five pounds but you could also call several agencies and pay upwards of £200 per hour.
Prostitutes provide a service just like a baker, a solicitor etc etc. I personally think they provide a very valid service too. I know of a man who has never had a girlfriend in his life, he is physically impaired and no woman has ever really looked at him twice. He visits a prostitute once or twice a week, same girl and is very happy with his arrangement. Neither of these people are doing anyone any harm.
I also know an ex-prostitute who turned to sex for money to feed her drug habit. She hated her job but felt rightly or wrongly it was the only way / easiest way of raising the cash she needed for drugs. So yes there are two sides to every coin. Just to add she is now clean and settled with two lovely kids and no longer a prostitute.
 
I guess when i wrote this post i did not make it obvious that i was fully consenting and happy to be hired out. My bad!!
 
I just wish that people would try and understand that my kink may not be their kink but it doesnt make it wrong. I am always saddened by a society here that is supposed to be so tolerant of all things kinky that occasionally turns out to be more judgemental than anyone i know. I guess that is a different and probably well covered thread by now though.
 

 

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 6:10:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I'm going to be hired out soon and was wondering how those subs / slaves out there who have already done this felt about it? Did you enjoy it / hate it? Were you nervous, anxious etc etc?
 
Also have any Doms / Dommes out there hired a slave / sub and if so did you enjoy it?
Would you consider hiring your sub / slave out if you havent already?


To be honest i'm not sure of my opinion either way here. While i can see you are for the idea and have the trust in your sir to go ahead, i do have some concerns as the trust of a third party is required. Some question still come into mind.

What is sir getting from this other than money ?
Is it a how well have i trained my sub type situation?

How close to home would this be?
What would the possibility of friends and family finding out?

How do you think family and friends would react if they found out ?
How do you think family and friends would react? Especially those you live with or have alot of daily contact with?

What are the legal aspects?
I'm sure you've said before you work in the licence trade. Could being prosecuted for any related offences affect your plan for your own pub. Given the legal aspects of personal licenses?
What are the possibilities of sir being prosecuted?

How much input do you have as to who your hired out to?
Do you have a say or do you have to obay sir's judgement? i.e. If you hired out to some one you didn't want to be hired out to for what ever reason, could voice your opinion or would you just have to obay.?

Forgive me if theses questions seem judgemental or even knieve, i ask them in interest and in trying to understand how it works. And i do appreciate that there are certain aspect you need sir permission to talk about.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 6:16:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Imposing moral values, regarding sexuality, on others and using guilt, shame and laws to keep them from fully exploring their sexuality is oppressive, in my view.  That used to be the case, in this country, for homosexuals and even for interacial couples.  It still is for women.  Men have traditionally been allowed to explore their sexual nature without having to endure name-calling and negative labeling, other than "playboy" or "gigolo."  But, when a woman chooses to freely explore her sexuality, she is called "slut" and "whore" and "harlot" and, etc., etc., the list goes on.  What is the word for a male slut?
 
If a woman chooses to enjoy her sexuality and to use her sexual talents to earn a living, she is considered a "wicked" woman and is persecuted by society and the legal system.  She is forced to be a criminal because the laws enforce a moral bias against her.  She is devalued as a sexual being.  She is forced to hide her sexual desires and is told to "act proper" or be ostracized by society.  Other women consider her to be a threat to the security of their relationships with men and men, who want to profit from her willingness to use her sexuality for income, will use the societal and legal bias against her to their advantage through fear and intimidation.
 
Unless and until there is sexual freedom for all men and women by decriminalizing sex acts between consenting adults, including sex for hire, discrimination against women will continue.  Women will continue to be accused of "using" their sexuality to gain favor and get ahead or of being nothing more than a slut or a whore, simply because they want to pursue their sexuality as freely as a man can.  At least, that's how i view it, as a woman who has always enjoyed her sexuality, under the constraints of a sexually repressed society.
 
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PS:  No need to excuse yourself, CuriousLord.  i didn't take your remarks as anything directed against me.  i appreciate your empassioned views and the opportunity to have a dialogue on this topic.

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This view that people are trying to keep women down instead of them just valuing sex is not only against the evidence but strikes me as spoken with an agenda in mind.  Do such individuals actually believe that people are trying to keep women down?  That they're trying to make sex this nasty thing?  Can they not grasp the notion that sex is simply something important to others?  But, here, I have seen one assume that people consider sex to be sacred just to be sexist.  This.. doesn't make sense.  It's not what has shown to be empirically true.  And it unnecesssarily assmes the worst in people.

Assumption of malicious intent in contradiction to reason disgusts me.

Edit:  I'd ask you excuse me, slavegirljoy, if any venom seems to be directed towards you.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 6:23:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Is it beyond considering that some might legitimately value the intimacy of intercourse being a special act with no secret, sexist agenda?


More to the point, is it required of every husband to pay his wife for sex so as not to appear invested in disempowering her?

And if that were the case, how would it not disempower tha man if his wife did not pay him for sex?

Is an exchange of money the only valid standard to be accepted?

(Gods, please let me die before love degenerates to that level).

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 6:31:50 AM   
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This view that people are trying to keep women down instead of them just valuing sex is not only against the evidence but strikes me as spoken with an agenda in mind.  Do such individuals actually believe that people are trying to keep women down?  That they're trying to make sex this nasty thing?  Can they not grasp the notion that sex is simply something important to others?  But, here, I have seen one assume that people consider sex to be sacred just to be sexist.  This.. doesn't make sense.  It's not what has shown to be empirically true.  And it unnecesssarily assmes the worst in people.

Assumption of malicious intent in contradiction to reason disgusts me.

Edit:  I'd ask you excuse me, slavegirljoy, if any venom seems to be directed towards you.


It does sound like a radical agenda that all relationships between men and women are "evil" unless the man pays cash to the woman.

As if no man ever paid cash to a woman for sex without also feeling respect and a desire to "empower" her.

Since when did the payment of cash mandate respect and a desire to "empower" another?

Since when did anyone who demands cash for sex suddenly become worthy of respect and empowerment?

(shaking head)

I also notice there has been no effort to differentiate between prostitution that is a form of real slavery, and prostitution that is a choice made by the woman without influence or pressure from a man.

Do prostitutes who work for pimps and who give the man a cut of her earnings feel they are somehow "empowered"?

Are crack whores being "empowered" when paid for sex?

The lack of acknowledgement of these issues does make this appear to me to be agenda-driven, and not reality-based.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 6:44:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know of a man who has never had a girlfriend in his life, he is physically impaired and no woman has ever really looked at him twice. He visits a prostitute once or twice a week, same girl and is very happy with his arrangement. Neither of these people are doing anyone any harm.
I also know an ex-prostitute who turned to sex for money to feed her drug habit. She hated her job but felt rightly or wrongly it was the only way / easiest way of raising the cash she needed for drugs. So yes there are two sides to every coin. Just to add she is now clean and settled with two lovely kids and no longer a prostitute.

Bob,
There right above you is a mention of two sides of prostitution. To have an interesting, fair and valid debate does not mean skipping the parts you dont want to acknowledge. Oh or evading questions you cant or dont want to answer.
 
More to the point, is it required of every husband to pay his wife for sex so as not to appear invested in disempowering her?

And if that were the case, how would it not disempower tha man if his wife did not pay him for sex?

Is an exchange of money the only valid standard to be accepted?

(Gods, please let me die before love degenerates to that level).

I love how you twist what has been said.
 
Are crack whores being "empowered" when paid for sex?
If you want to get technical yes. They then go buy the drugs and are empowered by them.

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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 6:50:40 AM   
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To be honest i'm not sure of my opinion either way here. While i can see you are for the idea and have the trust in your sir to go ahead, i do have some concerns as the trust of a third party is required. Some question still come into mind.

What is sir getting from this other than money ?
Is it a how well have i trained my sub type situation?
As i stated before without Sirs permission i do not really want to discuss his thoughts and feelings on this.

How close to home would this be?
What would the possibility of friends and family finding out?
Most of my friends already know about my lifestyle. Family, chances are for many reasons they wouldnt find out.

How do you think family and friends would react if they found out ?
How do you think family and friends would react? Especially those you live with or have alot of daily contact with?
Friends already know, family would not be very happy.

What are the legal aspects?
I'm sure you've said before you work in the licence trade. Could being prosecuted for any related offences affect your plan for your own pub. Given the legal aspects of personal licenses?
What are the possibilities of sir being prosecuted?
For someone who only joined this site yesterday you know things about me i have not stated since this time. Care to share how you know these things?

How much input do you have as to who your hired out to?
Do you have a say or do you have to obay sir's judgement? i.e. If you hired out to some one you didn't want to be hired out to for what ever reason, could voice your opinion or would you just have to obay.?
Yes i have input.

Forgive me if theses questions seem judgemental or even knieve, i ask them in interest and in trying to understand how it works. And i do appreciate that there are certain aspect you need sir permission to talk about.


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RE: Slave for hire!! - 8/27/2007 7:02:30 AM   
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