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Padriag -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 9:52:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Noah I'm grateful to all who have shared their views in this thread but most especially to those including Padraig and that pixie-ish looking girl who demonstrated the ability to walk a little way in another person's shoes before dolloping out the moral indignation. To put a finer point on it I'd like to offer a rhetorical questions about how it is that to beat, slice and burn one's partner might either be heinous or be an lovely expression of care,depending on the context, whereas to "hire her (or him) out" is necessarily a hateful thing? Maybe your kink is wax play and your neighbor's is hiring out. Do we hafta be hating on other people's fully consensual kinks? I mean there are potential kinks that I'm very happy to hate on. I'm all in favor of being judgemental. I just think we we should use some judgement about just what we're gonna be judgemental about. Activities I'm likely to condemn don't tend to be between healthy consenting adults, and missturbation has never struck me as less healthy than the norm around here. Your thoughts? First of all, thanks, and you're welcome. Second, I agree... why is it I've seen post after post by people with nothing other to contribute than some pointless statement essentially saying "I don't do this, I think this is wrong, blah blah blah." Fine, you're not into this... got anything constructive to say or did you just feel an overwhelming need to self validate your particular lifestyle choices? It amazes me, despite how often I see it in thread after thread, someone asks for advice, examples of experiences, etc. regarding something and it gets dozens of posts condemning something yet which contain nothing constructive at all. For those not getting the point... so you don't agree with the notion of renting a slave out, fine... but what makes you think anyone gives a flying fuck? The OP was asking for advice and information from those who HAVE had some sort of experience with it, if you don't have that, what the fuck are you doing posting here? Other than verbally masterbating your lil egos and "values." Lots of assumptions being made about what being "rented out" means... most of them involving sex and predictable knee jerk reactions to that idea. So for all of those busy making an ass out of yourselves... here's $2, buy a clue. Renting a slave out need not involve sex at all. As others have pointed out the practice can cover a great many possibilities and I've seen more than a few examples of such personally. Everything from slaves being loaned out as personal assistants, maid service, serving as waiters/esses at a group party, proof reader, chauffeur, gardener, baby sitter and fashion model. I have also seen it involve BDSM fetish play and sexual service, both of the examples I discussed previously did involve some of that, in the first case it was often the focus... in the second case it was sometimes part of the service but not always. I get that some people can't fathom loaning your girlfriend out as a fucktoy for someone else. Personally, not something I'd do either. But try... try... try people to wrap your heads around this, not everyone views their "slave" or "submissive" as a "girlfriend." And that while that may not be what you or I personally do, it IS what some others do and if that's what makes them happy... leave'em the fuck alone! If you don't have some constructive advice to offer, some relevant experience to share, what are you doing posting here... other than preaching your values at someone who likely neither cares nor wants to hear it... and certainly isn't going to change because of it. Missturbation asked for advice from people who had experience with this particular fetish. If you don't fit that description then you've got nothing to contribute... get it? As I said, personally I'm not one to loan a slave of mine out at all... not as a fuck toy, not as a maid, not as a chauffeur, not on a plane, not on a train, not with green eggs and ham.... It's just not my thing and that is nothing more than a personal preference. That's fine for me and mine, but it also has fuck all to do with the OP's question. I mentioned, very briefly, my preference on the matter only to give the OP some context with the EXPERIENCES I've had and shared (since it could be said my experience might be colored by my preference). The only thing that gave me any business posting on this thread was the fact that I have had experience with and known several girls who have been rented and/or loaned out. Had that not been the case, I woudn't have posted. Simple common sense, pity more of you don't get that. That some of you don't agree with the practice, fine... start a thread on it SOMEWHERE ELSE. What the hell makes you think your personal lifestyle choices and values are so fucking high and holy that they warrant you repeatedly voicing them to someone simply asking for advice and experiences? Here's a news flash, your shit stinks as much as anyone elses, and that pedestal you've put your morals on has a few cracks in it. One last thought to ponder for those feeling a tad toasty right about now... if you feel offended my my lil tirade about your values, choices and beliefs... guess how you fine folks probably made the OP along with anyone who has made similar choices feel. Not very nice is it. Here endeth the moral lesson children. End of rant.

BeingChewsie -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 10:02:17 AM)
Quick reply: I'd like to know the going rate for a rental slave ? Is it done by the hour? by the night? I think it would be a great way for a chic or her owner to make some serious cash. I imagine it is very empowering for the female (slave) in that dynamic.

velvetears -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 10:09:29 AM)
Nice rant Padriag, off that soap box now? Now that we have all been so thoroughly chastized for posting on a public thread our thoughts, without having the experience the poster was looking for we can all go sit in the corner and hang our heads in shame for such an atrocity. i hope we will be forgiven, i need to sleep tonight.

slaveluci -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 10:42:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag got anything constructive to say or did you just feel an overwhelming need to self validate your particular lifestyle choices? quote: it gets dozens of posts condemning something yet which contain nothing constructive at all Not everyone can be as constructive as you have been with this condescending rant of yours. Oh, if only everyone could be[:'(]. quote: The OP was asking for advice and information from those who HAVE had some sort of experience with it, if you don't have that, what the fuck are you doing posting here? Other than verbally masterbating your lil egos and "values." I would suggest that is exactly what you are doing with your little rant. People are posting because it's a public forum and the subject was raised. The TOS don't say a word about having to be spot on topic to post. quote: Missturbation asked for advice from people who had experience with this particular fetish. If you don't fit that description then you've got nothing to contribute... get it? See above. You don't decide who gets to post and who doesn't. I don't think your little rant contributed anything. Does that mean you shouldn't have been permitted to post it? quote: The only thing that gave me any business posting on this thread was the fact that I have had experience with and known several girls who have been rented and/or loaned out. Had that not been the case, I woudn't have posted Again.....there are no restrictions on who posts where. You seem to think posters should fit within your specific rules but no one else knows them or cares. quote: What the hell makes you think your personal lifestyle choices and values are so fucking high and holy that they warrant you repeatedly voicing them to someone simply asking for advice and experiences? And to you, sir, I would ask the same thing. Your thoughts on who should post what aren't "fucking high and holy either." quote: Here's a news flash, your shit stinks as much as anyone elses, and that pedestal you've put your morals on has a few cracks in it As does yours. I find it very humorous that your rant - which in itself is totally off topic - is directed toward people who don't have anything "constructive" to add when you yourself have said nothing constructive in said rant. You go on to caution everyone who posted that their "choices and values" don't even warrant voice while seeming to think that yours are the gold standard. Does anyone else see the irony here? I don't know you and I have no ax to grind. Hell, I didn't even post on the thread so I'm not feeling "toasty" because I have been chastised by your holiness. I just found it humorous and ironic that you would be so condescending toward others and not apply your own golden "wisdom" to yourself and your posts. Good day.............luci

Padriag -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 11:08:35 AM)
LOL... given your previous posts, your remarks about soap boxes is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. Let's examine this, you think its okay for you to post your opinion denigrating someone elses choices of fetishes, on the premise that its an open forum and therefore you can post anything you want about anything. But then you object to someone else posting an opinion denigrating your choice to denigrate someone else's choice... why... thought this was an open forum where we could post anything we like anywhere we like? Getting the point yet? If you don't like being treated this way, then what do you suppose gives you the right to treat another the same way? Ask yourself how you'd like it if the next time you ask a question or ask for advice you received the same litany of judgemental responses from people who had NOTHING to say except to say how wrong they thought you were? Not even a masochist enjoys that. For those wondering why I chose to "get on a soap box" about this in particular, something I don't normally do, it comes down to this. Lately I've noticed just how often this kind of behavior goes on. Someone asks a question, asks for advice, and is met with numerous post by people with nothing more to say than to put the questioner down. Its bad enough when people outside the lifestyle do it... I live smack in the middle of the bible belt surrounded by more churches than resteraunts! I like CM, and I generally enjoy the forums... so it bugs me when I see this same behavior from people on these forums, and lately it has started to bug me a lot. Folks it's hipocrisy plain and simple... we want people to accept us and our choices, and then are so quick to condem others for theirs. Thing is if you spend time condemning others for no other reason that that in your OPINION what they are doing is wrong, don't expect to be treated any differently yourself and don't whine when someone calls you on it. Frankly Velvet, I don't give a damn how you sleep or not, or with whom, or where, or why. It wasn't you expressing your thoughts that I took exception too. It was you and others expressing a very judgemental opinion that had no other effect than to denigrate someone else. You felt some need to tear someone else down, and right now you're getting a bit of that right back. From your response I don't think the experience is very comfortable for you, it wasn't intended to be. It is intended to illustrate to you, and others, exactly what your lil soap box opinions feel like to those whom you choose to target with your values. If you don't like being made so uncomfortable, what makes you think you have any right to do that to someone who merely asked a question? If this is how we (and by we I mean all the members of these forums collectively) choose to greet those who come here asking questions and advice, what does that say about us? What kind of forum will we have if the practice of so quickly attacking others becomes the norm? We all have a choice, we can either start making it a practice to tear into each other over every difference we can find until these forums resemble more a battlefield than anything remotely like a community or a place where people can discuss and learn. Or, we could learn to let others be. If a discussion doesn't involve you, your choices, your lifestyle, if you have nothing constructive to offer... then just let it be, go find another thread to post to. Its not like there's a limit on how many posts can be made in a day, or how many topics we can have going at once, or any other such thing. There is simply NO need to attack someone for asking a question or for their choice of fetishes... none. And yes, I realize I'm probably jousting a windmill here. In all likelihood the majority of those who feel that urge to spout their morals and values at others, which is often nothing more than a thinly veiled personal attack, will go right on doing what they've been doing. I could retaliate for awhile, make a few of those petty individuals suffer a bit of the sting they so liberally dole out to others who's differences they just can't seem to tolerate. But in the end its probably futile, most of it won't change, most of this sort of behavior will continue, most of these kinds of judgemental, denigrating posts will continue... there will always be someone (and probably several) who have nothing more constructive or positive to do with their time than to reduce someone else as far down as they can so you can what, validate yourself. Today, I just didn't feel like tolerating it, today I felt like speaking up and voicing my opinion on something I think is wrong. And the one thing in all this I actually do find amusing is one of those very people of whom I speak, promptly whines that essentially I didn't have the right to post my opinion about her opinion... gotta love the irony folks. Then again, maybe, just maybe, one or two will stop and think and perhaps even change. Eitherway, I said what was on my mind, after all, its an open forum where anyone can say anything they like, now isn't it. [8\|]

bipolarber -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 12:02:01 PM)
This is one of those topics that stirs up huge emotional clouds in people. The spectre of a Dom/sub or Master/slave relationship moving into the realm of prostitution really trips some people's triggers. The interesting thing here is, I've often been "shared" with my dominant's friends at parties. Totally without any kind of money changing hands. A few times, I was even loaned to them for overnight stays, simply because they were going through a tough time and just needed someone to be there to watch over them and give them some human comfort until they regained their footing. I'm sure this is NOT the same situation as being rented out to someone whom your dominant doesn't really know. No doubt, the rationale here is that the slave is their "property" and that by renting them out it reinforces that notion to all involved. The slave earns their place in the household by bringing money in via something they are very good at: being submissive, and sex. This is definitely not my thing. I keep thinking how I would have felt about my Dom/mes, had I seen that they were collecting a few bills from others, in exchange for the risk to my health, and saftey. Give me away to someone you know and trust? Fine. I've given them control over my heart, mind and body. Put a pricetag on my life, my health, my devotion to them? Don't really consider what the risks are? Not cool. Even if the person I was rented to had kept to "safer sex" practices, I would be spending the next few months sweating out the AIDS tests. I would NOT endanger my primary partner, even though they had done so, rather callously with me. That kind of pimping would only destroy my devotion to them, in fairly short order. I think it would have been a deal breaker. Your milage may vary.

apiercedkitty -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 12:06:03 PM)
Just cuz i feel like stirring some shit today... Let us hope that we're all adult enough when we choose to post that we can then, in turn, take with a grain of salt those who pass judgement. i know i don't take anything personally and i doubt very many do when someone "denigrates" my choice of fetish. i know i skip right by those long, full of self, wordy, ranting posts... smiling sweetly

velvetears -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 12:25:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag LOL... given your previous posts, your remarks about soap boxes is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. Let's examine this, you think its okay for you to post your opinion denigrating someone elses choices of fetishes, on the premise that its an open forum and therefore you can post anything you want about anything. You really need to know what you speak of before you post - talk about making an ass out of oneself - good job my boy. Here is what i posted for your edification: i have no experience at all in this. my ex was very posessive and would not even let me play or scene with others, alone at any rate. i am curious as to what kind of service you are going to provide, i don't want to assume what it is. Also, will you keep the proceeds or will your dom? Maybe you will split it? Is this a fantasy of yours you and your dom are fulfilling - you sound excited :-) Point out where i denigrated anyone in that post? i asked questions, one's i had a curiosity about. YOU aren't going to tell ME i can't - don't like it - tough cookies. quote: ORIGINAL:Padriag But then you object to someone else posting an opinion denigrating your choice to denigrate someone else's choice... why... thought this was an open forum where we could post anything we like anywhere we like? Getting the point yet? If you don't like being treated this way, then what do you suppose gives you the right to treat another the same way? Ask yourself how you'd like it if the next time you ask a question or ask for advice you received the same litany of judgemental responses from people who had NOTHING to say except to say how wrong they thought you were? Not even a masochist enjoys that. As stated already - i denigrated no one - YOU actually did in your little tirade, everyone here. i have posted before on other threads i started and was "denigrated for my choices" - Big deal - i am a big girl and i survived - imagine that. People will speak their mind - personally i don't think anyone really denigrated the OP, their opinions may have differed but i did not see anyone really put her down. Your first post to her wasn't from personal experience with her situation so from your own advice - why the hell did you post at all... hmmmmmm... i wonder. quote: ORIGINAL:Padraig For those wondering why I chose to "get on a soap box" about this in particular, something I don't normally do, it comes down to this. Lately I've noticed just how often this kind of behavior goes on. Someone asks a question, asks for advice, and is met with numerous post by people with nothing more to say than to put the questioner down. Its bad enough when people outside the lifestyle do it... I live smack in the middle of the bible belt surrounded by more churches than resteraunts! I like CM, and I generally enjoy the forums... so it bugs me when I see this same behavior from people on these forums, and lately it has started to bug me a lot. Well get over it. i assume you're all grown up and such - deal. We aren't here to make your day all sunny and happy. quote: ORIGINAL:Padraig Folks it's hipocrisy plain and simple... we want people to accept us and our choices, and then are so quick to condem others for theirs. Thing is if you spend time condemning others for no other reason that that in your OPINION what they are doing is wrong, don't expect to be treated any differently yourself and don't whine when someone calls you on it. The only one whining here is YOU. This is a public mesage board, unless you forgot that - opinions will abound. quote: ORIGINAL:Padraig Frankly Velvet, I don't give a damn how you sleep or not, or with whom, or where, or why. It wasn't you expressing your thoughts that I took exception too. It was you and others expressing a very judgemental opinion that had no other effect than to denigrate someone else. You felt some need to tear someone else down, and right now you're getting a bit of that right back. "It wasn't you expressing your thoughts"..."It was you expressing"... Which is it - can't have it both ways?? SHOW me where i, personally, was judgemental or tore anyone down, pleaseeeeee. Or can't you? quote: ORIGINAL:Padraig From your response I don't think the experience is very comfortable for you, it wasn't intended to be. It is intended to illustrate to you, and others, exactly what your lil soap box opinions feel like to those whom you choose to target with your values. If you don't like being made so uncomfortable, what makes you think you have any right to do that to someone who merely asked a question? If this is how we (and by we I mean all the members of these forums collectively) choose to greet those who come here asking questions and advice, what does that say about us? What kind of forum will we have if the practice of so quickly attacking others becomes the norm? Sorry to disappoint you buddy but your little demonstration did nothing for me. It did not make me feel "uncomfortable" as you put it all it did was make me feel sorry for you, making assumptions as you did about me, without even reading what i personally posted - bad on you. quote: ORIGINAL:Padraig We all have a choice, we can either start making it a practice to tear into each other over every difference we can find until these forums resemble more a battlefield than anything remotely like a community or a place where people can discuss and learn. Or, we could learn to let others be. If a discussion doesn't involve you, your choices, your lifestyle, if you have nothing constructive to offer... then just let it be, go find another thread to post to. Its not like there's a limit on how many posts can be made in a day, or how many topics we can have going at once, or any other such thing. There is simply NO need to attack someone for asking a question or for their choice of fetishes... none. No one was attacked. Are you now the appointed knight in shining armor for all the poor little attacked posters? Some job you have - i'll email you when i need your services. Learn to take your own advice - WE ALL HAVE A CHOICE. i exercised mine to post - don't like it.... don't read it. quote: ORIGINAL:Padraig And yes, I realize I'm probably jousting a windmill here. In all likelihood the majority of those who feel that urge to spout their morals and values at others, which is often nothing more than a thinly veiled personal attack, will go right on doing what they've been doing. I could retaliate for awhile, make a few of those petty individuals suffer a bit of the sting they so liberally dole out to others who's differences they just can't seem to tolerate. But in the end its probably futile, most of it won't change, most of this sort of behavior will continue, most of these kinds of judgemental, denigrating posts will continue... there will always be someone (and probably several) who have nothing more constructive or positive to do with their time than to reduce someone else as far down as they can so you can what, validate yourself. Today, I just didn't feel like tolerating it, today I felt like speaking up and voicing my opinion on something I think is wrong. And the one thing in all this I actually do find amusing is one of those very people of whom I speak, promptly whines that essentially I didn't have the right to post my opinion about her opinion... gotta love the irony folks. Then again, maybe, just maybe, one or two will stop and think and perhaps even change. Eitherway, I said what was on my mind, after all, its an open forum where anyone can say anything they like, now isn't it. [8\|] Self appointed bad poster punisher now - feel your sting and suffer laughs My you are full of yourself. But i do admire your hutzapa.

Padriag -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 12:29:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: apiercedkitty Just cuz i feel like stirring some shit today... Should I take that to mean you'd like some attention from me? That's a dangerous way to flirt. :: smiles bemusedly:: Do be careful what you wish for. quote: Let us hope that we're all adult enough when we choose to post that we can then, in turn, take with a grain of salt those who pass judgement. i know i don't take anything personally and i doubt very many do when someone "denigrates" my choice of fetish. i know i skip right by those long, full of self, wordy, ranting posts... smiling sweetly One would hope we were all adult enough... but clearly some are not. And while I don't doubt you can and do ignore the occasional post, I would imagine if you were the target of nurmerous posts telling you how wrong you were, at the very least you'd find it tiring. And since you apparently did want some of my attention, here's a question for you. You mentioned people being adult. Wouldn't it also be nice if people could be adult enough to just let others with different lifestyles and fetishes alone? Wouldn't you agree that it'd be nice if instead of taking someone's question as an opportunity to spout off personal moral values, that instead they simply said nothing and leave that person to the advice and experiences they asked for? But then, clearly, not everyone is adult enough for that. Some people just like to stirr up shit for its own sake... and the complain when some of it hits them in the face. Anyone else want some? [8D]

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 12:35:43 PM)
quote: But then, clearly, not everyone is adult enough for that. Some people just like to stirr up shit for its own sake... and the complain when some of it hits them in the face. Anyone else want some? [8D] Sorry, Scat = Hard Limit. Why I avoid it, topics regarding conspiracy theories, Mother Theresa and Iraq.

apiercedkitty -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 12:36:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag quote: ORIGINAL: apiercedkitty Let us hope that we're all adult enough when we choose to post that we can then, in turn, take with a grain of salt those who pass judgement. i know i don't take anything personally and i doubt very many do when someone "denigrates" my choice of fetish. i know i skip right by those long, full of self, wordy, ranting posts... smiling sweetly One would hope we were all adult enough... but clearly some are not. And while I don't doubt you can and do ignore the occasional post, I would imagine if you were the target of nurmerous posts telling you how wrong you were, at the very least you'd find it tiring. And since you apparently did want some of my attention, here's a question for you. You mentioned people being adult. Wouldn't it also be nice if people could be adult enough to just let others with different lifestyles and fetishes alone? Wouldn't you agree that it'd be nice if instead of taking someone's question as an opportunity to spout off personal moral values, that instead they simply said nothing and leave that person to the advice and experiences they asked for? But then, clearly, not everyone is adult enough for that. Some people just like to stirr up shit for its own sake... and the complain when some of it hits them in the face. Anyone else want some? [8D] i'm not sure whether i should swoon from shock that you gave me attention or should i swoon from laughter... If someone posts on a PUBLIC forum, they are opening themselves up to whatever people want to post. This means (for those not adult enough to get it) that they take the good with the bad. i, personally, started a thread a short while back and took the good with the bad... took the advice i thought i could do something with and left anything i didn't find of value. If the poster can't handle the negative, they can choose not to come back to this post... actually, i don't think the original poster ever did come back now that i think about it... could be she's busy or maybe she didn't want to deal with it. Either way, it was her choice. As she didn't come back yet, you're valient effort at protecting her has really gone unnoticed by her, eh? See, it's all become a pissing match for what?? Edited to add... just for the record, i'm not looking to make any enemies... just expressing my own opinion...

Carrianna -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 12:45:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation I'm going to be hired out soon and was wondering how those subs / slaves out there who have already done this felt about it? Did you enjoy it / hate it? Were you nervous, anxious etc etc? Also have any Doms / Dommes out there hired a slave / sub and if so did you enjoy it? Would you consider hiring your sub / slave out if you havent already? Way to selfish here! No what is mine is mine, I have tied up others when out at clubs, or private parties, but all is consented beforehand. My toys whom I am with at the time might also have a flogging with someone else, but to rent out, no. I am sure there are some out there that believe this to be the same, well I don’t, as I am present and am always watching, as I have always looked after what is mine, and disposed of it when bored. Each to their own. I hope you enjoy the experience.

Padriag -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 1:33:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears You really need to know what you speak of before you post Point out where i denigrated anyone in that post? i asked questions, one's i had a curiosity about. Never referred to that post... in fact I never referred to you at all until YOU chose to involve yourself in things. When I wrote that post you hadn't crossed my mind, others had whom I've also never named. But it has been damn amusing seeing who chose to react as though I had mentioned them personally... and I can't help but wonder why. quote: YOU aren't going to tell ME i can't - don't like it - tough cookies. LOL... but lass... I did. Don't like it, tough cookies. You might ignore it (obviously you aren't I've got your full attention here), you might pitch a fit about it, you might crawl under a rock... but just as you can say whatever you want, so can I. And if you claim to have the right to say anything to anyone else you wish, to voice any opinion you want, then guess what, I have exactly the same right to say whatever I wish, to voice whatever opinion I have regarding you. And yet you still haven't gotten the point. So let me spell it out for you. You be nice, I'll be nice. You be bitchy, I'll be bitchy. How long ya wanna play this game? It can stop any time you want it to... all ya gotta do is just go back to being nice... that simple. quote: As stated already - i denigrated no one - YOU actually did in your little tirade, everyone here. i have posted before on other threads i started and was "denigrated for my choices" - Big deal - i am a big girl and i survived - imagine that. People will speak their mind - personally i don't think anyone really denigrated the OP, their opinions may have differed but i did not see anyone really put her down. Your first post to her wasn't from personal experience with her situation so from your own advice - why the hell did you post at all... hmmmmmm... i wonder. Let's take this point by point. You say you denigrated no one. Wrong, you did in this post. quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears FR Seeing that the OP asked some questions about a controversial topic and never came back to post herself speaks volumes to me about intent. i took the time to respond to her original op, i wasn't judgemental and asked her to elaborate on the issue she brought up. Now she is gone and everyone is arguing the old argument "why are you judging someone elses kink".... am i the only one seeing something wrong here?? So you're making assumption about the poster's reason for posting, why she hasn't been back, etc and very much implying that her intent was something negative. You've no good reason to believe any of that, there's no evidence to support any assumption. Maybe she hasn't been back simply because she took one look at three pages of various individual telling her that her choice was wrong, some saying rather emphatically that is was wrong, and deciced to simply spare herself anything further. Yet you presumptuously propound that her absence speaks "volumes" about her intent. That's a thinly veiled passive-aggressive personal attack dearheart, and if you don't like being called on it, to quote you... tough cookies. Second, you claim I insulted everyone here. Really? Where in my post did I ever name or specify anyone at all? Never did. I did however thank one person. So when you again presume facts, did you bother to see if you actually speak for everyone? I'm guessing there are several people who have posted for whom you most definitely do NOT speak for... and given that a)I described no person but only a particular behavior, and b) that not every poster to this thread has engaged in that behavior, you absolutely do not speak for everyone, and not everyone was included in my rant. However, feel free to continue in your own reality. Third, if you're such a big girl, why are you letting my post (which I'll remind you once again never mentioned you nor was it aimed at you) bother you so much? Do tell, I'll find that intriguing I'm sure. Fourth, I think you need to read a lil more carefully what I wrote. Why did I post... let's see... because the OP asked for experiences from individuals who had experience with slave's being rented. As I have in the past been involved with several slaves who had been rented, talked with them about their experiences, etc... I shared exactly that with the OP. No more, no less. quote: Well get over it. i assume you're all grown up and such - deal. We aren't here to make your day all sunny and happy. Oh that's nice... here's a thought... why not? That's the fundamental question I have about what I see happening here. There are individuals, and you seem to be painting yourself as one of them, that delight in making someone else's day miserable. People who like to sling shit, stir up trouble, put others down, make attacks (veiled or otherwise), snipe, etc. Why, what's it all for? Are you that embittered with your life that you aren't happy if everyone else isn't sharing in the bitterness? Is that why you responded to my rant and clearly assumed it was about you? Again, I find it curious that you responded to it at all. I never named you, didn't reply to you when I made it and in no way indicated any of it was about you... yet you assumed from your first response that it was about you... why is that? That much isn't about me, but it is very much about something within you? Something else I find amusing. Noah also posted and basically stated he didn't appreciate all the negativity, people posting their disapproval for the OP's lifestyle choice. I did the same but in a more vitriolic form. Neither of us named anyone. The curious part is you and a couple others (including some who hadn't even previously been involved in this thread) felt this need to respond to me spitting venom... yet you've no problem with what Noah said. Now I know someone is going to pop up and say that perhaps it was the way I said it they were responding too... no doubt that's part of it. But with no one named, why respond at all? Curious. And if it was the vitriol that offended them, why respond with just as much vitriol... again, pot calling the kettle black isn't it. quote: quote: ORIGINAL:Padraig Folks it's hipocrisy plain and simple... we want people to accept us and our choices, and then are so quick to condem others for theirs. Thing is if you spend time condemning others for no other reason that that in your OPINION what they are doing is wrong, don't expect to be treated any differently yourself and don't whine when someone calls you on it. The only one whining here is YOU. This is a public mesage board, unless you forgot that - opinions will abound. Hehe... and you just can't stand me posting my opinion can you. You'd love to shut me up, you keep trying in post after post. I'm not whining dearheart, I'm playing you like a fiddle. The really amusing part for me is that you weren't the one I thought would respond... that person has been very quiet. You on the other hand jumped into the shit pile with both feet over something that was never about you in the first place. You quite literally borrowed trouble for yourself, not enough troubles of your own that you feel the need to go looking for more? But hey, you want this to be about you, you want some... you get some. To paraphrase Cool Hand Luke... what we have here is... failure... to communicate... some people you just can't reach... now I don't like this anymore than you do... but... that's the way she wants it, so... that's the way she gets it. Had enough yet? Or is it going to be getting your dirt out of my hole some more? I can keep this up for weeks dearheart, doesn't bother me in the least. quote: Sorry to disappoint you buddy but your little demonstration did nothing for me. It did not make me feel "uncomfortable" as you put it all it did was make me feel sorry for you, making assumptions as you did about me, without even reading what i personally posted - bad on you. Really, then do tell why... if its had no effect on you, why with every response you've grown more vitriolic, more emotional. Deny it if you will dearheart, but I'm pressing your buttons like vending machine. Want to prove me wrong.... stop responding. Ah but even then I still get the outcome I wanted. So what's your next bright idea going to be? How do you want to proceed? Or can you be as adult as you claim and simply let it go? quote: No one was attacked. Are you now the appointed knight in shining armor for all the poor little attacked posters? Some job you have - i'll email you when i need your services. Learn to take your own advice - WE ALL HAVE A CHOICE. i exercised mine to post - don't like it.... don't read it. No one was attacked, well then what are you so upset about? Knight in shinning armor, hardly... bit of a hellion maybe... and ultimately just another person posting their opinion... even said as much. BTW, you keep telling me to take my own advice... tell me if this sounds familiar... "don't like it, don't read it." Since you're obviously so upset by what I write... why are you still reading this? Why keep responding? Why even respond in the first place? If I'm so immature and such an ass for responding to you... what does that make you for repeatedly responding to me? Don't get that... let me rephrase, you can't label me without labelling yourself because you're engaging in the very same behavior you presume to chastize me for. If I'm a "knight in shining armor" for voicing my opinion regarding other people's posts, then so are you for doing the exact same thing. I see your shwartz is as big as mine. So tell me, how do you think this ends? How about this, how about we both drop it... and further, how about people who can't offer something constructive drop it too. Imagine that... instead of spewing epithets at each other, making disparaging remarks about other peoples fetishes, pontificating about what "we" would never do... how about we just shut up and leave the OP and the thread to those who have something directly applicable to the question? How about that? quote: Self appointed bad poster punisher now - feel your sting and suffer laughs My you are full of yourself. But i do admire your hutzapa. Why thank you... takes one to know one after all... and you've gone as far as I in trying to "punish" postings you didn't like. Makes us two peas in a pod doesn't it. If I was wrong for posting my rant... you've been at least as wrong for responding with your own rants. So pass the airfreshner dearheart, cause guess what, your shit stinks as much as mine.

Padriag -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 1:48:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: apiercedkitty i'm not sure whether i should swoon from shock that you gave me attention or should i swoon from laughter... Either would probably amuse me [;)] quote: If someone posts on a PUBLIC forum, they are opening themselves up to whatever people want to post. This means (for those not adult enough to get it) that they take the good with the bad. i, personally, started a thread a short while back and took the good with the bad... took the advice i thought i could do something with and left anything i didn't find of value. If the poster can't handle the negative, they can choose not to come back to this post... actually, i don't think the original poster ever did come back now that i think about it... could be she's busy or maybe she didn't want to deal with it. Either way, it was her choice. Here's the thing... while everything you just said is true... and I even noted that my entire rant was most probably entirely futile... answer me this. Why should it be that way? Is this the best we can do? Blame it on John Lennon if you want... but just imagine... And on that, I think I'm just going to leave it there.

Sinergy -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 1:48:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rmanrr Greetings To no one in particular but in a general sense...I do not share My Woman with anyone.....further...I do not share Myself with anyone either..... Having taken the better part of a year to get to the point we are both at in our relationship...and our dynamic...quite simply we do not. I would like to respond from a different perspective. I was at the Lair one night and wandered downstairs to my favorite room, the dungeon. A Dominant was in the process of chaining what was his to the wall, putting on a blindfold, and proceeded to go to work on her. I watched and was simply awestruck by the beauty and synergy of their play. I watched from the side, quietly, not intruding and was almost spellbound. After she was good and used, the Dominant wandered over to me and smiled, and offered me the flogger. I smiled at him and declined, stating that I did not wish to intrude on what appeared to be a truly lovely scene. He thanked me for the compliment, turned around, and went back to do his thing. On the topic of this thread, I have not shared what is mine. I do not really know anybody in the lifestyle I would trust with her. I do not generally use infinitives, perhaps there would come a time where I was with somebody who wished to be shared, and I knew somebody I would wish to share her with. I would consider my doing such to be the highest compliment I could think of giving to another. This would, of course, exist within the parameters of the limits and agreements my submissive and I had made previously, and not a spur of the moment sort of decision on my part. On the other hand, pimping her out just does not work for me on any level. Sinergy

Twicehappy2x -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 1:54:02 PM)
Everybody here has so far given their feelings on the subject but i have yet to see a comment from the author of this thread. The only real answer needed to her question. *Missturbation* How do you feel about being hired out? Did you agree to this willingly? Or because this is something your dominant requires? Are you excited, happy, interested? Or queasy, nauseous, upset, hating this, looking for a way out? *Edited to add; you need not post your answers to the above questions, only answer then for yourself.*

BitaTruble -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 1:54:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation I'm going to be hired out soon and was wondering how those subs / slaves out there who have already done this felt about it? Did you enjoy it / hate it? Were you nervous, anxious etc etc? Also have any Doms / Dommes out there hired a slave / sub and if so did you enjoy it? Would you consider hiring your sub / slave out if you havent already? Himself has had me cook, clean, sew, repair and any number of other odd jobs for friends, family and acquaintences. I see it as a service I provide to 'him', not to them. Sometimes he loaned me out free of charge, other times he bartered me for some other service which was provided to him. I don't recall ever being nervous although I was often tired. As I enjoy being of use, I'd have to say, yes, I did enjoy it. :) Celeste

apiercedkitty -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 2:08:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag Here's the thing... while everything you just said is true... and I even noted that my entire rant was most probably entirely futile... answer me this. Why should it be that way? Is this the best we can do? Blame it on John Lennon if you want... but just imagine... And on that, I think I'm just going to leave it there. i think it's just human nature... we have a tendency to want our opinions out there...

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 3:58:59 PM)
I've been loaned and hired out, for both sexual and non sexual services. And it was- work. I was expected to do a job, do it well, and gain something in return for my owner. Sometimes I got lucky and it was enjoyable, but even then, focus had to be on getting the job done and giving the customer what he wanted. Mostly the payment was often an exchange for another slave, or social connections and grease- I get paid to do my job at work but I really can't say I've got many skills which would be worth paying vs an expert except in the sexual arena. My partner is free to be sold or loaned out if that's where he feels he should go- but really, we tend to be too busy and getting our stuff together to make that a practical thing regularly.

Griswold -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 4:45:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation I'm going to be hired out soon and was wondering how those subs / slaves out there who have already done this felt about it? Did you enjoy it / hate it? Were you nervous, anxious etc etc? Also have any Doms / Dommes out there hired a slave / sub and if so did you enjoy it? Would you consider hiring your sub / slave out if you havent already? I'd just like to say at the outset...I pay better...and you look pretty motherfucking delish to me.

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