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missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 5:33:13 PM)

Ok, i'm hoping i will cover all bases and answer all the questions asked of me in this post but forgive me if i miss anything again and just holler your question again if you still want the answer.
Firstly let me apologise for my absence from this thread since posting it but i have been busy with that thing we call a job lol. I work in the licence trade and keep weird hours / weird shifts.
Where to start!?! Safety maybe? Sir and i have been discussing the possibility of hiring me out for a few months now. We have covered every angle of safety repeatedly. Major concerns are obviously opening me up to abuse, sexual health, being able to trust the other person / people in the equation etc etc.
It has been decided by us both that i will only be hired out to people we know or friends of people we know that come with for want of a better description, a good reference. Still not foolproof i hear some of you say!! Well yes that may be so, but since when was anything not without risk?
Am i doing this for myself or just for Sir? For both of us is the answer.
What will my service entail? Domestic, sexual, play, whatever is required really.
Will money exchange hands and to whom? Yes is the simple answer. The money will go to Sir. My first experience of being hired out will be with one of Sirs very good friends and he has agreed a sum with Sir. I do not know what this sum is and i dont want to.
Judgement of my actions from others. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of what i am going to do. I knew there would be those who strongly disagree with what i am going to do and would strongly state it. This does not bother me in any shape or form and can lead to interesting discussion.
What i will say is that just because it is not your kink to be hired out or hire out does not make it wrong in any shape or form.
So in short this is no spur of the moment ill planned action we are about to take. We have covered safety, we are both consenting and we are harming noone in the process.
For those who called me a prostitute or stated my actions if they were to be sexual were those of a prostitute all i can say is and.......? This is the only statement in the 4 pages i have read that has annoyed me. There is absolutely nothing wrong with prostitution and if i choose to sell sexual services for whatever reason who is anyone to tell me it is wrong!?!



missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 5:35:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Griswold

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

I'm going to be hired out soon and was wondering how those subs / slaves out there who have already done this felt about it? Did you enjoy it / hate it? Were you nervous, anxious etc etc?
 
Also have any Doms / Dommes out there hired a slave / sub and if so did you enjoy it?
Would you consider hiring your sub / slave out if you havent already?


I'd just like to say at the outset...I pay better...and you look pretty motherfucking delish to me.


In truth i do not know how much Sir will be recieving for my services but ill be sure to inform Him you would pay well [:D]
Thankyou for the compliment too x



Prospective -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 5:43:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

Ok, i'm hoping i will cover all bases and answer all the questions asked of me in this post but forgive me if i miss anything again and just holler your question again if you still want the answer.
Firstly let me apologise for my absence from this thread since posting it but i have been busy with that thing we call a job lol. I work in the licence trade and keep weird hours / weird shifts.
Where to start!?! Safety maybe? Sir and i have been discussing the possibility of hiring me out for a few months now. We have covered every angle of safety repeatedly. Major concerns are obviously opening me up to abuse, sexual health, being able to trust the other person / people in the equation etc etc.
It has been decided by us both that i will only be hired out to people we know or friends of people we know that come with for want of a better description, a good reference. Still not foolproof i hear some of you say!! Well yes that may be so, but since when was anything not without risk?
Am i doing this for myself or just for Sir? For both of us is the answer.
What will my service entail? Domestic, sexual, play, whatever is required really.
Will money exchange hands and to whom? Yes is the simple answer. The money will go to Sir. My first experience of being hired out will be with one of Sirs very good friends and he has agreed a sum with Sir. I do not know what this sum is and i dont want to.
Judgement of my actions from others. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of what i am going to do. I knew there would be those who strongly disagree with what i am going to do and would strongly state it. This does not bother me in any shape or form and can lead to interesting discussion.
What i will say is that just because it is not your kink to be hired out or hire out does not make it wrong in any shape or form.
So in short this is no spur of the moment ill planned action we are about to take. We have covered safety, we are both consenting and we are harming noone in the process.
For those who called me a prostitute or stated my actions if they were to be sexual were those of a prostitute all i can say is and.......? This is the only statement in the 4 pages i have read that has annoyed me. There is absolutely nothing wrong with prostitution and if i choose to sell sexual services for whatever reason who is anyone to tell me it is wrong!?!


While i can see your reasons for being hired out,  forgive my inexperience but what is with the exchange of money,  is it for personal gain or for other reasons like expenses ??



missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 5:47:51 PM)

For me personally it makes me feel good that someone would be willing to pay for my services (whatever they may be). It also makes me feel more whorish and i enjoy the feeling.
Sir jokes it is to fund His retirement lol. The money will go to Him. To be honest without discussing this with Him and recieving His permission i would rather not go into His feelings about it.



Bobkgin -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 5:57:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Padriag

Missturbation asked for advice from people who had experience with this particular fetish.  If you don't fit that description then you've got nothing to contribute... get it?


From the OP:

quote:


Would you consider hiring your sub / slave out if you havent already?


That is an invitation to every M/D to express an opinion on the subject.

I and many others have.

Seems you are confusing many of us who responded to that request as unsolicited people who are trying to attack a kink.

Think again.

I know this kink absolutely buries the needle for me in the YKINOK department.

I've bitten my tongue far more often on this thread than on any other, precisely because I want to avoid embracing YKINOK.

Nonetheless, I and every other M/D were asked to voice an opinion.

I've done the best I can within the bounds of tolerance which I believe in and work very hard at practicing when faced with kinks like this.

You are hearing a lot of heart-felt responses from people who genuinely care for and love those who have given themselves in trust to another. Yes, that is going to result in a lot of negative comments (and I won't shy away from saying mine are amongst them).

To you, and Missturbation (whose most recent posts I've just read) I can only say: you asked for our opinions, this is what they are. Deal with it.

Do any of us have a right to condemn Missturbation for this: absolutely not, nor did I.

But we have every right to express the concerns we had for her (and there were many who did, including me).

Does that mean we condemn her? No

We are concerned for -her- well-being, and if not seen that way, re-read them in that light and you'll see each individual doing the best they can to express it in their own way.

I see no shame in those kinds of concerns.

Dissappointed we can't support what she is doing with praise, or "constructive criticism"? Life is like that sometimes.

In her most recent posts, she has provided details we didn't have at the onset. I personally still don't like the kink, but that is me and no one serving me will ever need worry that I'd embrace this kink. If that means I don't hear from some people, fine. I can live with my ethics.

I certainly hope Missturbation well, and certainly I hope she remains as safe as she believes she will be.

I have serious doubts that will remain the case, but I'll be quite happy to be proven wrong ... indeed, -prove me wrong- and remain well, since she is going to go through with it regardless.

But I've no apologies to make over what I've said, and although there are some response I've not read, those I have have no reason to apologize either.

It's called "compassion", and I fail to see why anyone should get beat up for it.

There is -never- enough compassion in a bdsm 'community', and it was good to see so many expressing it.

I've probably wasted my time with this for some, but some things should be said and I'm saying them here.

If anyone only wants to hear contructive criticism, or praise, let them specify it in their OP.

But if asked for honest feedback as the above quote makes clear, expect it.

'nuff said.



Prospective -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 5:58:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

For me personally it makes me feel good that someone would be willing to pay for my services (whatever they may be). It also makes me feel more whorish and i enjoy the feeling.
Sir jokes it is to fund His retirement lol. The money will go to Him. To be honest without discussing this with Him and recieving His permission i would rather not go into His feelings about it.


I could see it being very easy for people to miss judge the situation, hence why you might get some strong views. I commend your trust in him and i'm sure he will carry that trust well. I only wish that some day, some one would show such an intimate trust in me.



missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:04:09 PM)

To you, and Missturbation (whose most recent posts I've just read) I can only say: you asked for our opinions, this is what they are. Deal with it.

Hang on just a sec, i said everyone has a right to their opinion and to state it in this thread. I didnt ask for and did not want just people to reply who were for this kink, i wanted and got many different opinions.
The only thing i did respond to was being called a prostitute for my actions when it is meant in a negative way. I find it insulting to myself and those out there whose career is prostitution.



missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:07:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prospective

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

For me personally it makes me feel good that someone would be willing to pay for my services (whatever they may be). It also makes me feel more whorish and i enjoy the feeling.
Sir jokes it is to fund His retirement lol. The money will go to Him. To be honest without discussing this with Him and recieving His permission i would rather not go into His feelings about it.


I could see it being very easy for people to miss judge the situation, hence why you might get some strong views. I commend your trust in him and i'm sure he will carry that trust well. I only wish that some day, some one would show such an intimate trust in me.


People are completely and utterly entitled to their beliefs and opinions on this and every subject and appreciate all the input on this thread.
We trust each other and i do not believe my trust in Him will be found to be falsely placed.
Accidents and unforseeable events / outcomes do happen though and i am quite aware something could go wrong.



Prospective -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:12:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

To you, and Missturbation (whose most recent posts I've just read) I can only say: you asked for our opinions, this is what they are. Deal with it.

Hang on just a sec, i said everyone has a right to their opinion and to state it in this thread. I didnt ask for and did not want just people to reply who were for this kink, i wanted and got many different opinions.
The only thing i did respond to was being called a prostitute for my actions when it is meant in a negative way. I find it insulting to myself and those out there whose career is prostitution.


Unfortunatly some people may jump straight to that conclusion with out thinking about it, they just see money changing hands for services and not think about the motive and reasons for such hirings. Although using such as prostitute to put thier point accross i do think is a bit under handed and personal. And i would respond as it is quite insulting.



pearlmoongirl -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:14:53 PM)

I've been reading this thread and thinking about another one - written by the Dom who insists that cooking is woman's work.
i.e., I'm a good cook and currently underemployed, so maybe I should hire myself out to Dom/mes who want a good meal!  [:D]

~ pmg



Bobkgin -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:16:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

To you, and Missturbation (whose most recent posts I've just read) I can only say: you asked for our opinions, this is what they are. Deal with it.

Hang on just a sec, i said everyone has a right to their opinion and to state it in this thread. I didnt ask for and did not want just people to reply who were for this kink, i wanted and got many different opinions.
The only thing i did respond to was being called a prostitute for my actions when it is meant in a negative way. I find it insulting to myself and those out there whose career is prostitution.


I've no objection to prostitution. It is a time-honoured trade and the few I've known who were friends and lovers (not in a professional capacity) have been warm, intelligent, and caring.

But you did ask for honest opinions and there are going to be some who feel that way about prostitution.

This is what I'm referring to in the above quote: asking for opinions is going to bring out opinions that bother you.

That doesn't stop you from responding, but Padraig's rant was criticizing people for doing exactly what you asked of them.

I would have thought negative comments about prostitution should be expected, given that some feel that way and given the wording of the OP that certainly implies this is what is being contemplated.

I would think it possible to defend the profession without giving offense to someone who has given you the opinion you asked for.

To slam someone for doing as you asked merely looks like a set-up for that purpose. I doubt that was your intention, but that is the appearance.

Thus my comment was directed to you as well as Padraig.



deadbluebird -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:23:24 PM)

i'm a good cook and i am good at organizing/cleaning. (actually i'm good at All those womanly chores ;) )
i'm in the same boat as pearlmoongirl, currently unemployed.. perhaps i also should hire myself out for those services.. [sm=idea.gif]

sadly i doubt theres much of a demand [&:]



missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:24:04 PM)

I would think it possible to defend the profession without giving offense to someone who has given you the opinion you asked for
I offended someone?
To slam someone for doing as you asked merely looks like a set-up for that purpose. I doubt that was your intention, but that is the appearance.
I slammed someone?
 
'For those who called me a prostitute or stated my actions if they were to be sexual were those of a prostitute all i can say is and.......? This is the only statement in the 4 pages i have read that has annoyed me. There is absolutely nothing wrong with prostitution and if i choose to sell sexual services for whatever reason who is anyone to tell me it is wrong!?!'

That is what i wrote. I never said they were wrong or insulted them in any way. I asked who were they to make such judgements of me in a negative fashion? 




ThinkingKitten -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:30:09 PM)

Hmmm. Prostitution - the oldest profession...
 
Problem is missturbation, the only people I've ever heard espousing prostitution in a positive way, are prostitutes themselves - and that is from the narrow band of them that are there of their own free-will, as their chosen profession, and who are able to profit from it themselves. The rest who are there because they are press-ganged into it by guys who have control over them in other ways (drug-pushers e.g.), or who are battered wives/girlfriends or runaways trying to escape something they perceive as worse, and end up with it as their only means of income (of which they see only a pittance, the rest goes to the pimp).. seem (based on what I have read/seen reported in the media etc), to make up the rest of them. They're not there because they WANT to be. [Sorry, rather long sentence there]
 
Soooo, if you're a healthy, mentally competent adult who chooses to apply for the "girls wanted" ad at the local brothel, or manage to setup and run your own escort agency (and avoid organised crime rings in the process), then maybe that is positive. But do their clients respect them? I daresay they appreciate their existence, enjoy their time with them, fantasise afterwards, but want to procreate with them? Um......
 
So all I'm saying is that the negative slant (insult) placed on it within this thread should come as no surprise. I personally don't care what you do, I just hope no bad end comes from it.
 



Prospective -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:32:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

To you, and Missturbation (whose most recent posts I've just read) I can only say: you asked for our opinions, this is what they are. Deal with it.

Hang on just a sec, i said everyone has a right to their opinion and to state it in this thread. I didnt ask for and did not want just people to reply who were for this kink, i wanted and got many different opinions.
The only thing i did respond to was being called a prostitute for my actions when it is meant in a negative way. I find it insulting to myself and those out there whose career is prostitution.


I've no objection to prostitution. It is a time-honoured trade and the few I've known who were friends and lovers (not in a professional capacity) have been warm, intelligent, and caring.

But you did ask for honest opinions and there are going to be some who feel that way about prostitution.

This is what I'm referring to in the above quote: asking for opinions is going to bring out opinions that bother you.

That doesn't stop you from responding, but Padraig's rant was criticizing people for doing exactly what you asked of them.

I would have thought negative comments about prostitution should be expected, given that some feel that way and given the wording of the OP that certainly implies this is what is being contemplated.

I would think it possible to defend the profession without giving offense to someone who has given you the opinion you asked for.

To slam someone for doing as you asked merely looks like a set-up for that purpose. I doubt that was your intention, but that is the appearance.

Thus my comment was directed to you as well as Padraig.



I don't think it was your opinion she was making the point about in this post, I think the point she was trying to make is that the way your opinion was put accross was quite rude and maybe even insulting, while i can see why you may have such an opinion. Some diplomacy could of been used in order to express it.



missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:39:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThinkingKitten

Hmmm. Prostitution - the oldest profession...
 
Problem is missturbation, the only people I've ever heard espousing prostitution in a positive way, are prostitutes themselves - and that is from the narrow band of them that are there of their own free-will, as their chosen profession, and who are able to profit from it themselves.  
The rest who are there because they are press-ganged into it by guys who have control over them in other ways (drug-pushers e.g.), or who are battered wives/girlfriends or runaways trying to escape something they perceive as worse, and end up with it as their only means of income (of which they see only a pittance, the rest goes to the pimp).. seem (based on what I have read/seen reported in the media etc), to make up the rest of them. They're not there because they WANT to be. [Sorry, rather long sentence there]

Soooo, if you're a healthy, mentally competent adult who chooses to apply for the "girls wanted" ad at the local brothel, or manage to setup and run your own escort agency (and avoid organised crime rings in the process), then maybe that is positive. But do their clients respect them? I daresay they appreciate their existence, enjoy their time with them, fantasise afterwards, but want to procreate with them? Um......
 
So all I'm saying is that the negative slant (insult) placed on it within this thread should come as no surprise. I personally don't care what you do, I just hope no bad end comes from it.
 


You have some fair points there and the negative slant certainly doesnt come as any surprise.
However i choose to be hired out and not only am happy about it but am looking forward to it.
So saying that why the negative insult at me?
My kink is not everyones but live and let live surely!!



Prospective -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:42:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThinkingKitten

Hmmm. Prostitution - the oldest profession...
 
Problem is missturbation, the only people I've ever heard espousing prostitution in a positive way, are prostitutes themselves - and that is from the narrow band of them that are there of their own free-will, as their chosen profession, and who are able to profit from it themselves. The rest who are there because they are press-ganged into it by guys who have control over them in other ways (drug-pushers e.g.), or who are battered wives/girlfriends or runaways trying to escape something they perceive as worse, and end up with it as their only means of income (of which they see only a pittance, the rest goes to the pimp).. seem (based on what I have read/seen reported in the media etc), to make up the rest of them. They're not there because they WANT to be. [Sorry, rather long sentence there]
 
Soooo, if you're a healthy, mentally competent adult who chooses to apply for the "girls wanted" ad at the local brothel, or manage to setup and run your own escort agency (and avoid organised crime rings in the process), then maybe that is positive. But do their clients respect them? I daresay they appreciate their existence, enjoy their time with them, fantasise afterwards, but want to procreate with them? Um......
 
So all I'm saying is that the negative slant (insult) placed on it within this thread should come as no surprise. I personally don't care what you do, I just hope no bad end comes from it.
 


I suppose the word prostitute is like any other word, and is dependant on how it's used and how it's procieved.  But i would of thought that most poeple would assume that it would be taken in a negative way and try to be more subtle about how they use it and how they put thier point across.



BitaTruble -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:45:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation
 
'For those who called me a prostitute or stated my actions if they were to be sexual were those of a prostitute all i can say is and.......? This is the only statement in the 4 pages i have read that has annoyed me. There is absolutely nothing wrong with prostitution and if i choose to sell sexual services for whatever reason who is anyone to tell me it is wrong!?!'

That is what i wrote. I never said they were wrong or insulted them in any way. I asked who were they to make such judgements of me in a negative fashion? 




Don't sweat it, miss t. Personally, I don't understand people getting all fired up because someone's using one of their body parts as a commodity. What's the big deal anyway? Football players, boxers, construction workers, garbage collectors are all in professions in which the body and the requist skill set is their main source of income and no one says boo about it. For some reason, society has attached this mystical aura to gentalia and if someone turns it into a commodity for hire, then the known universe is going to implode! ::chuckles:: I mean, when you think about it, it's all a bit silly. Grown men repeatedly punching each other in the face (for money) is good but having sex (for money) is bad. That sounds so twisted to me!

Have fun, be as safe as you can be and don't sweat the small stuff and cyber attacks from electronic pixels blasting at you from the far corners of the planet falls into the category of small stuff. [;)]

Celeste



Bobkgin -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:53:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

I never said they were wrong or insulted them in any way. I asked who were they to make such judgements of me in a negative fashion? 



They were amongst those whose opinion -you- requested.

That they risked your ire by expressing it should bring a note of thanks, I would think.

That isn't to say you needed to agree with them. But to say you were annoyed leaves you open to suggestions that it wasn't an honest opinion you wanted.

I also happen to agree with ThinkingKitten's statements. Looking at the OP and it is an understandable interpretation of your statements there.




ThinkingKitten -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:53:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

My kink is not everyones but live and let live surely!!


In a perfect world missturbation, in a perfect world......



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