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missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 6:56:40 PM)

Have fun, be as safe as you can be and don't sweat the small stuff and cyber attacks from electronic pixels blasting at you from the far corners of the planet falls into the category of small stuff. [;)]

Thankyou xx
 
I think what i was partly trying to say also was that there is no insult in being called a prostitute and personally i would have said thank you very much except i knew it was meant in an insulting way because of peoples jaded perceptions of prostitution..



Bobkgin -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:00:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Prospective

I don't think it was your opinion she was making the point about in this post, I think the point she was trying to make is that the way your opinion was put accross was quite rude and maybe even insulting, while i can see why you may have such an opinion. Some diplomacy could of been used in order to express it.


I was addressing Padraig's post, which is quite insulting and unfairly so, as I demonstrated.

My issue with Missturbation has to do with attacking those who provided an honest opinion, as she requested.

Not everyone is going to agree with prostitution. That should have been foreseen before the thread started.

Expecting such responses and then claiming to be insulted by getting them is an insult to those who provided them.

Smells of a set-up to attack those who disagree with prostitution, as if -they- have no right to believe what they believe.

If she didn't want such comments, she could have said so (and then she'd have been in her rights to bawl them out for providing them).



missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:00:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I never said they were wrong or insulted them in any way. I asked who were they to make such judgements of me in a negative fashion? 



They were amongst those whose opinion -you- requested.
Yes.

That they risked your ire by expressing it should bring a note of thanks, I would think.
I thanked everyone for participating already.

That isn't to say you needed to agree with them. But to say you were annoyed leaves you open to suggestions that it wasn't an honest opinion you wanted.
Nope it says im human.  Whilst agreeing they have the right to their opinion it doesnt mean im open to being insulted so openly for my choices.

I also happen to agree with ThinkingKitten's statements. Looking at the OP and it is an understandable interpretation of your statements there.
Sorry you are going to have to explain what you mean here.





missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:05:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: Prospective

I don't think it was your opinion she was making the point about in this post, I think the point she was trying to make is that the way your opinion was put accross was quite rude and maybe even insulting, while i can see why you may have such an opinion. Some diplomacy could of been used in order to express it.


I was addressing Padraig's post, which is quite insulting and unfairly so, as I demonstrated.
I'm sorry is it ok to insult me but not you? Are you the only person allowed to speak out when feeling insulted?

My issue with Missturbation has to do with attacking those who provided an honest opinion, as she requested.
Show me where i attacked someone.

Not everyone is going to agree with prostitution. That should have been foreseen before the thread started.
Do i really have to say i knew this post would attract criticism again? Ive accepted most pretty graciously id say.

Expecting such responses and then claiming to be insulted by getting them is an insult to those who provided them.
RUBBISH.

Smells of a set-up to attack those who disagree with prostitution, as if -they- have no right to believe what they believe.
Now you are just putting words in my mouth, please refrain from doing that.

If she didn't want such comments, she could have said so (and then she'd have been in her rights to bawl them out for providing them).
I did want such comments but that doesnt mean i dont have the right to respond to them.

Oh and pray do show me where i bawled anyone out???????????



MissMagnolia -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:08:46 PM)

If it's all among consenting adults, and I assume you all are consenting and fully aware of all possible things that could go wrong AND having discussed all eventualities and safety aspects, what do you care about anyone elses opinion misst? If it tickles your pickle and happens to be something you both enjoy, bugger anyone elses put downs. I'm with BitaTruble on this, body parts are hired out every day for one purpose or another. I used to hire a slave out to do someones gardening years ago, and I got the money.

If this is making you and your Sir happy, good luck to you!!



missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:13:25 PM)

Thank you for your support.
It's not really peoples opinions of me that is bothering me. Its the general consensus (not all i know) of people who see prostitutes as some lowly form. They do a job just as most of us do in some form or other. We don't berate bankers, shop assistants etc.



Bobkgin -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:16:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

That isn't to say you needed to agree with them. But to say you were annoyed leaves you open to suggestions that it wasn't an honest opinion you wanted.


Nope it says im human.  Whilst agreeing they have the right to their opinion it doesnt mean im open to being insulted so openly for my choices.



Then in future I suppose when we see you asking for an honest opinion we'll have to translate that to mean "one which you will not find insulting".

In other words, those of us who disagree should keep our mouths shut because you might find such opinions offensive.

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I also happen to agree with ThinkingKitten's statements. Looking at the OP and it is an understandable interpretation of your statements there.

Sorry you are going to have to explain what you mean here.


Essentially, the OP says your master is going to hire you out, what do we think.

So few details were provided that it was open to interpretation as to the concern your master has for your well-being.

Could have been a pimp abusing someone's trust, for all we knew. If that was someone's interpretation, they are likely going to say derogatory things about prostitution.

Quite simply, this topic is going to hit a lot of buttons for a lot of people. If you weren't prepared to handle those disagreements gracefully, you might have considered asking those of us who disagree with this kink to not respond.

But that last request you made in the OP specifically opened the door to every D/M who has an opinion on the kink, regardless of what those opinions might be.

As I see no basis for expecting universal acceptance of the kink, or universal praise for your involvement in it, condemning those whose opinion you had every reason to expect seems unfair, given that you invited all to voice a (presumably) honest opinion.



missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:23:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

That isn't to say you needed to agree with them. But to say you were annoyed leaves you open to suggestions that it wasn't an honest opinion you wanted.


Nope it says im human.  Whilst agreeing they have the right to their opinion it doesnt mean im open to being insulted so openly for my choices.



Then in future I suppose when we see you asking for an honest opinion we'll have to translate that to mean "one which you will not find insulting".
Not at all, how many times do i have to say everyone is entitled to their opinion of me? However i am also entitled to voice my opinion about their statement.

In other words, those of us who disagree should keep our mouths shut because you might find such opinions offensive.
Should Padriag not speak for fear of offending you?

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I also happen to agree with ThinkingKitten's statements. Looking at the OP and it is an understandable interpretation of your statements there.

Sorry you are going to have to explain what you mean here.


Essentially, the OP says your master is going to hire you out, what do we think.
Yes and funnily enough i still dont really know what you think. You defend everyones right to speak freely and yet dont do so yourself.

So few details were provided that it was open to interpretation as to the concern your master has for your well-being.
Yes.

Could have been a pimp abusing someone's trust, for all we knew. If that was someone's interpretation, they are likely going to say derogatory things about prostitution.
Lol really. Just because it was possible i could be being pimped a sweeping derogatory statement of prostitution is the result?

Quite simply, this topic is going to hit a lot of buttons for a lot of people. If you weren't prepared to handle those disagreements gracefully, you might have considered asking those of us who disagree with this kink to not respond.
Nope as i have stated over and over i wanted all opinions.

But that last request you made in the OP specifically opened the door to every D/M who has an opinion on the kink, regardless of what those opinions might be.
Yes and its all good.

As I see no basis for expecting universal acceptance of the kink, or universal praise for your involvement in it, condemning those whose opinion you had every reason to expect seems unfair, given that you invited all to voice a (presumably) honest opinion.
I condemned noone but you continually condemn me. Please stop and think about what you are doing / saying before continuing this convo. I am actually defending a sect of people, namely prostitutes not myself in particular. I take prostitute as a compliment for many personal reasons.




ThinkingKitten -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:27:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

They do a job just as most of us do in some form or other. We don't berate bankers, shop assistants etc.


No we don't. But then they (hopefully) receive a fair wage for what they do, had to go to school, fill out an application form, maybe pass a drug screen and so on. Maybe the stigma will go away if the majority of the developed world legalizes it.... but then, even in a liberal place like Amsterdam, the girls in the windows are still a tourist attraction. Do most people go to admire them, envy them for what they do? Er...
 
Anyhow, I know this is all drifting a bit off course from where you originally wanted this thread to go, so I for one, will shut up now. ["Hallelujah", they all say... yeah yeah yeah [:-]].



Bobkgin -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:28:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

 Its the general consensus (not all i know) of people who see prostitutes as some lowly form.



I disagree.

Most people see prostitutes as exploited and abused individuals who would choose to escape that life if given a reasonable chance to do so.

Your OP created an appearance that can easily be construed in this way.

Most of the responses I read made very clear that they would never embrace this kink.

A lot of them expressed concern for your well-being.

I don't recall reading -any- that said you shouldn't do it (caveat: I've not read a couple of them, but most I've read).

I suspect you are dissappointed you did not get a more favourable response from more people.

Bear in mind it is easy to give you support, as none of us will live with the consequences if things go wrong for you.

That so many didn't take the easy way out and instead expressed concern for you seems to have given you the belief that they see prostitutes as a "lowly form".

hmmm

I think I'm about done here.

You want praise and encouragement (obviously) and that is something I can't give.

I've never encouraged anyone to become a prostitute, let alone a bdsm slave being prostituted by her owner.

I'm not about to start.

Good luck.



Prospective -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:28:58 PM)

General Post,

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: Prospective

I don't think it was your opinion she was making the point about in this post, I think the point she was trying to make is that the way your opinion was put accross was quite rude and maybe even insulting, while i can see why you may have such an opinion. Some diplomacy could of been used in order to express it.


I was addressing Padraig's post, which is quite insulting and unfairly so, as I demonstrated.
I'm sorry is it ok to insult me but not you? Are you the only person allowed to speak out when feeling insulted?

If i've cought the wrong end of the stick here i appologies...

My issue with Missturbation has to do with attacking those who provided an honest opinion, as she requested.
Show me where i attacked someone.

If you felt insulted would you try to say "hang a sec"..??

Not everyone is going to agree with prostitution. That should have been foreseen before the thread started.
Do i really have to say i knew this post would attract criticism again? Ive accepted most pretty graciously id say.

Expecting such responses and then claiming to be insulted by getting them is an insult to those who provided them.
RUBBISH.

So if your expecting a insult you should just take it.. ???

Smells of a set-up to attack those who disagree with prostitution, as if -they- have no right to believe what they believe.
Now you are just putting words in my mouth, please refrain from doing that.

What.. ?? I think she got better things to do...
 

If she didn't want such comments, she could have said so (and then she'd have been in her rights to bawl them out for providing them).
I did want such comments but that doesnt mean i dont have the right to respond to them.

 
Does this mean that we have to put a full do's and don'ts list on OPosts..?? I would hope that people would know what is on the bondary of being opinion and insult..

Oh and pray do show me where i bawled anyone out???????????


I would of thought there were ways of putting points across with out being insulting.



Prospective -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:34:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Thank you for your support.
It's not really peoples opinions of me that is bothering me. Its the general consensus (not all i know) of people who see prostitutes as some lowly form. They do a job just as most of us do in some form or other. We don't berate bankers, shop assistants etc.


Unfortunatly that stero typing for you,



missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:34:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

 Its the general consensus (not all i know) of people who see prostitutes as some lowly form.



I disagree.
And you are entitled to your opinion.

Most people see prostitutes as exploited and abused individuals who would choose to escape that life if given a reasonable chance to do so.
Your opinion only, not fact.

Your OP created an appearance that can easily be construed in this way.
It did? Your opinion again.

Most of the responses I read made very clear that they would never embrace this kink.
And they are entitled to their opinion.

A lot of them expressed concern for your well-being.
And i thank them for that.

I don't recall reading -any- that said you shouldn't do it (caveat: I've not read a couple of them, but most I've read).
I never said they did.

I suspect you are dissappointed you did not get a more favourable response from more people.
Please do not assume anything about me. Heard the saying? It only makes an ASS out of U and ME.

Bear in mind it is easy to give you support, as none of us will live with the consequences if things go wrong for you.
What?

That so many didn't take the easy way out and instead expressed concern for you seems to have given you the belief that they see prostitutes as a "lowly form".
Oh my i would be quite insulted if you claimed i took the easy way! Thats a big judgement to make of others.

hmmm

I think I'm about done here.

You want praise and encouragement (obviously) and that is something I can't give.
Youre making an ass again.

I've never encouraged anyone to become a prostitute, let alone a bdsm slave being prostituted by her owner.
LMAO i dont need or want your approval.

I'm not about to start.

Good luck.



Now please do go back and answer all my questions you have evaded.



Bobkgin -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:47:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I condemned noone but you continually condemn me. ... I am actually defending a sect of people, namely prostitutes not myself in particular. I take prostitute as a compliment for many personal reasons.



How do you defend a "sect of people" without implicitly condemning those who disagree with you?

I participate on a Religion & Spirituality board. There I all too frequently defend gays against christians.

Understand: I condemn christian intolerance regarding gays. I defend a "sect of people".

You are doing no different here.

The thing is, you have every reason to expect this was bound to occur.

Throughout your recent responses you've made clear you believe there are a group of people who do not see prostitutes as you do.

And having invited them to step out and say something based on a vague description of your master prostituting you, you attack them for addressing what they perceived to be an exploitative and abusive situation, based on the vagueness of your OP and how it could have been interpreted.

How many of them would have said what they said had you provided in the OP the more detailed information you've only recently provided?

You've set them up, changed the premise, and now are attacking them for addressing the situation as you vaguely described it in the OP.

As if -all- forms of prostitution deserve our support.

As if -no- prostitute was ever exploited and abused.



You've created a platform for your position, stocked it with targets and are currently shooting at them to make your argument that no one should oppose prostitution, and anyone who does is dehumanizing the prostitute.



I'm done.

Good luck.



missturbation -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 7:57:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I condemned noone but you continually condemn me. ... I am actually defending a sect of people, namely prostitutes not myself in particular. I take prostitute as a compliment for many personal reasons.



How do you defend a "sect of people" without implicitly condemning those who disagree with you?
I have condemned noone. Repeatedly i have stated they are entitled to their opinion. My opinion is different thats all.

I participate on a Religion & Spirituality board. There I all too frequently defend gays against christians.
I applaud you.

Understand: I condemn christian intolerance regarding gays. I defend a "sect of people".
Please don't treat me like a child.

You are doing no different here.
Yes

The thing is, you have every reason to expect this was bound to occur.
Yes

Throughout your recent responses you've made clear you believe there are a group of people who do not see prostitutes as you do.
Yes

And having invited them to step out and say something based on a vague description of your master prostituting you, you attack them for addressing what they perceived to be an exploitative and abusive situation, based on the vagueness of your OP and how it could have been interpreted.
Again show me where i attacked anyone? Your argument is based on something i havent done and you repeatedly evade proving i have done.

How many of them would have said what they said had you provided in the OP the more detailed information you've only recently provided?
My guess is 3.67

You've set them up, changed the premise, and now are attacking them for addressing the situation as you vaguely described it in the OP.
ASS out of U and ME again. Please stop telling me what my intentions with this thread were.

As if -all- forms of prostitution deserve our support.
No and i never said that

As if -no- prostitute was ever exploited and abused.
No and i never siad that



You've created a platform for your position, stocked it with targets and are currently shooting at them to make your argument that no one should oppose prostitution, and anyone who does is dehumanizing the prostitute.
Prove it, show me where i have shot people. Also where did i state noone should oppose prostitution?



I'm done.

Good luck.



In my opinion you are sat there in your domly chair being as judgemental as you could possibly be. You presume over and over to tell me what i wanted from this thread and what i think and feel. You dont know me and you know nothing about me.
I rather think and again this is just my opinion that because you dont agree with what im doing it automatically makes me a bad person. Think again.
Now as i have already said several times over would you care to address the points you have so far evaded? The best form of defence is not always attack and you are certainly not showing me any reason to respect your opinions by continually repeating i have attacked people and therefore attacking me at every turn.

On this note i have to go to bed, my peepies are closing by themselves.



MstrssScarlet -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 8:13:04 PM)

At last....I've read all the posts.  As quite often happens with a thread once it's posted, it has generated a lot of strong opinions and a few pissing matches.

I'm not going to make a long post here.  There's already 6 pages worth of reading in front of me.  I just wanted to add that for SOME people this seems to be a sort of kink - to be rented out (sexually or otherwise) for money.  I've been approached many times by male submissives offering to 'sell themselves to make money for me'.  I've never taken any of them up on it, but I think some of them are truely sincere.  For them it's a way of providing something of value to me.  I can picture a dom/me out there taking them up on it and they would both get satisfaction from the exchange. 
To sum it up, it's just another kink.  Nothing more, nothing less.
Mistress Scarlet



MisPandora -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 8:16:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mercmjm

Every months to every week I am hearing on the news about these doms being arrested on prositution charges for pimpin our their slave

Do share with us the references you have to the onslaught of arrests and prosecutions of dominants for prostitution and pandering. 



MisterPervert -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 8:20:30 PM)

I think what missturbation and her guy are doing is very edgy and exciting. I've set up similar "slave for rent" scenarios in the past, though with a bottom who wasn't so enthusiastic, even though she was fully consenting. For her, it appealed to her needs for humiliation and a sense of complete surrendering of control. What she was never made aware of was the scenes organized with the "purchaser" ( a close friend of us both who had played with her on other occasions) were entirely within her limits and thus it was simply one great mind-fuck. I realize many are highly possessive of their partners and might not understand what's going on with these types of scenes so, let me try and explain from my own experience.

Abandonment fantasies are difficult to explain unless you understand the profound level of love and trust that accompany any enactment of them. Sure, it creates deep levels of psychological fear in the bottom (see: mind-fuck above) but it's also a confirmation of faith of the top in their partner that, after everything, they'll come back. I hate to use the corny old line but, "If you love something, set it free..." etc. It's potentially risky but hey! It not nearly so unsafe as people might imagine. It's not for everybody, but then, what is?



BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 8:29:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Laying low, tired as shit...In a rather chatty mood. Whip what is your brand....That was nice what you wrote the other day....Boijen...You make great posts...and you are a cutey.

Sorry for the momentary hijack.

Domiguy,
You seem to be tiring of the quick quips and getting all warm and fuzzy lately..
I have to say...I like it..[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m25.gif[/image]



marieToo -> RE: Slave for hire!! (8/26/2007 9:49:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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But then, clearly, not everyone is adult enough for that.  Some people just like to stirr up shit for its own sake... and the complain when some of it hits them in the face.

Anyone else want some? [8D]


Sorry, Scat = Hard Limit. 



Say, what's that you're licking off your finger?



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