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A Masters Word and Honor - 8/27/2007 9:34:54 PM   
MstrSkyWoIf


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Status: offline 		I know my answer to this question but would like a few opinions. Some one I care about very much was hurt today and this is what happened. 

you a sub/slave have a conversation with a potential Master he tells you he wants to meet. You ask him are you talking to anyone else at this time and he says NO. you tell him you have been hurt before and are trying to make sure he is being honest. 1 hr later you  find out he has contacted someone else you know on here and he is talking to her as a potential sub/slave. He then tries to make you feel like he did not lie at all and that you are the dishonest one because you would not have caught him if you had not been checking on him.

Here is my question.... Dose he have any honor? his he someone you would call a Master? and is what he did lieing or just being Dominent?

As soon as a few post I will give my opinion.

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/27/2007 10:04:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		He lied to that sub. It's plain and simple to me, and I would be hurt myself if someone did something like that to me.

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/27/2007 10:07:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		If he didn't have anything to hide, he wouldn't have cared if she checked on him.  He lied. 

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/27/2007 10:22:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think we are all in agreeance here.  There is still some integrity to be had in the word and title of "Master".  To lie directly to someone is wrong, but if it was just potential then is there technically any allegience yet?  I am not trying to downplay what happened, that is mean and down right rude, but its kind of like taking a car out of the lot to test drive it because you can but never actually buying it.  Its tough to find good people, you should tell your friend to not lose faith and never lose hope, keep trying and never give up.  There is always a good one out there waiting!

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/27/2007 10:28:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TakenPet

I think we are all in agreeance here.  There is still some integrity to be had in the word and title of "Master".  To lie directly to someone is wrong, but if it was just potential then is there technically any allegience yet?  I am not trying to downplay what happened, that is mean and down right rude, but its kind of like taking a car out of the lot to test drive it because you can but never actually buying it.  Its tough to find good people, you should tell your friend to not lose faith and never lose hope, keep trying and never give up.  There is always a good one out there waiting!


Thank you and I understand what you are saying and had it not been a direct question. I would say yes but to me he had made a comitment to not talk to anyone else until after they met to see where things where going. As a Master if I do not have my word then I have nothing. Also for him to turn it around on her and blame her was wrong.

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/27/2007 10:45:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trunks1056

He lied to that sub. It's plain and simple to me, and I would be hurt myself if someone did something like that to me.


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ORIGINAL: feastie

If he didn't have anything to hide, he wouldn't have cared if she checked on him.  He lied. 


Thank you both for your opinion.

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/27/2007 10:51:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TakenPet

I think we are all in agreeance here.  There is still some integrity to be had in the word and title of "Master". 


Well, I disagree with this completely. The title of "Master" is no different than the title of 'slave' when it comes to honesty and integrity. Those are 'not' lifestyle traits, they are people traits.

To answer the op, yes, quite obviously, he was lying. Whether or not the submissive in question was dishonest can't be determined within the context of the op's scenario. The Master being a truth teller or a liar, though, has nothing to do with him being a Master. Some people lie regardless of their title, orientation or status in BDSM, D/s and beyond.

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/27/2007 10:58:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: Takenet

I think we are all in agreeance here.  There is still some integrity to be had in the word and title of "Master". 


Well, I disagree with this completely. The title of "Master" is no different than the title of 'slave' when it comes to honesty and integrity. Those are 'not' lifestyle traits, they are people traits.

To answer the op, yes, quite obviously, he was lying. Whether or not the submissive in question was dishonest can't be determined within the context of the op's scenario. The Master being a truth teller or a liar, though, has nothing to do with him being a Master. Some people lie regardless of their title, orientation or status in BDSM, D/s and beyond.

Celeste


Celeste thank you for your answer and yes I would agree with you about the title not being the question here. I was witness to this conversation and know what was said on both sides. She was open with him and he outright told her she was his only interest... the problem was he then turned the tables on her and made her feel as if it was all her fault because she tried to find out if he was being honest and had she not checked on him they would have worked out. In other words it was her distrust not his dishonesty that caused the trouble.

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/27/2007 11:12:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the end, no matter what he said, he was in the wrong. Lying, though an error we all commit at sometime in our lives, and some more than others, is always wrong. This is especially so when dealing with someone like a sub, who you are taking under your wing, yes? If you cannot be honest, then how can you ever be responsible enough to manage both your life and your sub's? ((hope that sounded right, im still new, but on issues of morality in general i'd like to think i know a thing or two...))

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/27/2007 11:31:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trunks1056

He lied to that sub. It's plain and simple to me, and I would be hurt myself if someone did something like that to me.


I would have given anything today to take away the hurt my friend was feeling.

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/27/2007 11:32:44 PM   
MstrSkyWoIf


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ORIGINAL: MadHatter

In the end, no matter what he said, he was in the wrong. Lying, though an error we all commit at sometime in our lives, and some more than others, is always wrong. This is especially so when dealing with someone like a sub, who you are taking under your wing, yes? If you cannot be honest, then how can you ever be responsible enough to manage both your life and your sub's? ((hope that sounded right, im still new, but on issues of morality in general i'd like to think i know a thing or two...))


Agreed 100% very well put for someone new

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/28/2007 4:09:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		He was lying, period.
 
I'll be real honest here, and i think if they are brave enough to admit it a lot of folks looking at prospective partners do the same thing;
 
I checked everything out when i was looking, i mean everything, read posts, eventually asked for references, checked those references and before meeting anybody had a full name and paid for a criminal background check (i paid by the year so it was cheap enough as far as safety was concerned).
 
There are a lot of great people on here, there are also a lot of players.

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/28/2007 4:25:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x

He was lying, period.
 
I'll be real honest here, and i think if they are brave enough to admit it a lot of folks looking at prospective partners do the same thing;
 
I checked everything out when i was looking, i mean everything, read posts, eventually asked for references, checked those references and before meeting anybody had a full name and paid for a criminal background check (i paid by the year so it was cheap enough as far as safety was concerned).
 
There are a lot of great people on here, there are also a lot of players.


I agree 100% Twicehappy2x,  I was a member on a site one time that had ratings on it anyone who talked to or met a person could vote on that  person to verify they where real. It took 20 real life verifications form different members to be verified so it was impossible for someone to verify themselves because it was a paid site. Collarme being Free makes it open to many fakes. I wish there was a way to vote on each other here so after a  time true players could be exposed. Even if it was a message board here where we could post names used and lies told (no personal info like addresses etc. But just the stories being told.) then others could just verify they had herd the story from the same name kind of like a poll. The poll could even be on every profile....If I was a sub and he was playing me I could vote player or if he was cool I could vote stand up...and the same poll could be on the submissive profiles... I can't tell you how many Nigerian woman have asked me for money lol but that's another story .....  Anyway thanks for all the input.... 

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/28/2007 4:35:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrSkyWoIf

If I was a sub and he was playing me I could vote player or if he was cool I could vote stand up...and the same poll could be on the submissive profiles


The problem with that type of system is that if you met me, said i was a player because, xyz, then i could write you were a player because of abc.
 
Collarme does have a forum where you can write about  positive  meetings, that would be a good place to search for a prospective partners name.
 
That is why i ask for references, not only emails but for phone calls from real people or contacts within a lifestyle oriented group the person belonged to.
 
Before i met Scooter and Jewel i had contact with two subbies they knew, one of whom lived here for a year, and with the munch group they belonged to.
 
To be honest the subbie brought a few issues to my attention that i brought up with them. But over all said they were very good people. 

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/28/2007 4:39:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrSkyWoIf

...I wish there was a way to vote on each other here so after a  time true players could be exposed. Even if it was a message board here where we could post names used and lies told (no personal info like addresses etc. But just the stories being told.) then others could just verify they had herd the story from the same name kind of like a poll. The poll could even be on every profile....If I was a sub and he was playing me I could vote player or if he was cool I could vote stand up...and the same poll could be on the submissive profiles...


The biggest problem with something like that is perspective.  In the situation you've just described above, the master could easily vote your submissive friend as a player because of her distrust and feel fully justified in doing so.

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/28/2007 4:51:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello all , yes well meetings and eventual tryouts can always lead to a she said he said situation. Just look at the definitions of what a slave is in todays context. I have met slaves and Masters who had said things about perspective opposites only  to find it was skewed to their respective agendas.  In my experience most will use what ever means they can to justify their positions.

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/28/2007 5:02:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Theislandof

Hello all , yes well meetings and eventual tryouts can always lead to a she said he said situation. Just look at the definitions of what a slave is in today's context. I have met slaves and Masters who had said things about perspective opposites only  to find it was skewed to their respective agendas.  In my experience most will use what ever means they can to justify their positions.


In this case I witnessed the exchange and he was at fault he was caught lying and then tried to blame the failure of the relationship on her with the use of guilt.....

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/28/2007 5:03:52 AM   
MstrSkyWoIf


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Status: offline 		yes true I was talking an anonymous vote with just a tally but lets get back on track.

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/28/2007 5:04:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrSkyWoIf

I know my answer to this question but would like a few opinions. Some one I care about very much was hurt today and this is what happened. 

you a sub/slave have a conversation with a potential Master he tells you he wants to meet. You ask him are you talking to anyone else at this time and he says NO. you tell him you have been hurt before and are trying to make sure he is being honest. 1 hr later you  find out he has contacted someone else you know on here and he is talking to her as a potential sub/slave. He then tries to make you feel like he did not lie at all and that you are the dishonest one because you would not have caught him if you had not been checking on him.

Here is my question.... Dose he have any honor? his he someone you would call a Master? and is what he did lieing or just being Dominent?

As soon as a few post I will give my opinion.

Personally, I have always felt that if a person felt the 'need' to ask such a question ( are you cheating, are you talking to others, etc ), then, they already know the answer.

You ask if this man has any honor? I guess it would depend on what you define as honor. By my own definition, lying in such a way would show him to be lacking in moral character and strength. On the other side though, I felt the need to 'check' up on him; what does that make me? Not much more than jealous, distrustful, and in some ways, a liar also. ( these are my OWN obeservations and in no way are meant to be directed at any other )
Would I call such a person Master? I would not call ANYONE Master/Mistress unless I had known them for several years. I would especially NOT call someone Master/Mistress that I had never met in person before

I guess what I really don't understand is how someone can be 'hurt' by a person that they have never even met. It boggles my mind. ( no offense is meant by this; I really do mean what I said here )

callie

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RE: A Masters Word and Honor - 8/28/2007 5:07:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that he was misleading to the prospective slave. Honor  for most today have no clue what honor means, nor what when their word is given what that entails.

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