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MisPandora -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 12:12:45 PM)

Jen,

I totally adore you, now even more than before.  Please, MsKitty.....kick the boi's ass for me tonight as a reward for good behavior???!?!?!?!?!?!




MisPandora -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 12:14:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vigilantejustice
Circumstance 1: In The Beginning
No, it's not fun to negotiate sometimes. Yes, it can be tedious to hammer out details of what everyone expects.  It's even less fun to have your partner host a massive freak-out out of the blue because you said/did/didn't say/do something that you didn't know was an issue and they've been keeping it bottled up for however long. People in *any* kind of relationship, whether work or home, lifestyle or vanilla, need to communicate. Just because you need to get permission from your Master to speak doesn't mean he won't ever let you, especially if he finds out it's important. Personally, I'd much rather have my sub "break protocol" and talk to me openly than experience the fall out from silence later by possibly losing him for no good reason. Hopefully I'm not alone in that.

Circumstance 2: Life Was Never What It Used To Be.
"I did negotiate, but now (insert circumstance) and my feelings/wants/needs/limits have changed!" Well funny thing... we don't use stone tablets anymore. Contracts and the like can (and should) be rewritten every now and again. It is not a huge deal to look at your partner and say (insert protocol as appropriate), "I want you to know that this is what I feel/think/want/need. I would really appreciate it if you/we could consider this and work something out *before* it becomes an issue."  Wow! That was respectful, honest, and it said what it needed to in order to help get the issue considered, if not resolved. I don't know of a dominant in a significant relationship (or even a minor one) who would be upset that their sub wants to fix something so she can stay with him and be happy doing it. Most dominants I've known want their companions to be happy on some level, if only for the sake that it makes the dominant's life much easier!

Justice,

Nothing rings more true than what you've written in these two paragraphs.  Thanks for taking the time to post this.




RumpusParable -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 1:00:06 PM)

Excellent post, Boi.

And...

quote:

I'm a servant. Fuck that romantic shit I'm here to do the dishes.


God(s) bless you.




Wildfleurs -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 1:07:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I'm so fuckin sick and tired of s-types bitching about Dommes charging money or not getting their way or just plain being unhappy.

1. If a Domme charges money even for first contact get over it. If you want it pay it. It doesn't make Her any less of a Domme it means Her time and energy is important and valuable. Which you should know already.


I kinda get what you are getting at but quite frankly I don't view someone that charges for a service as a dominant.  They are a person that charges for a service, in this instance they are charging for a fantasy.  That doesn't make them one bit dominant, in fact I view pro topping as a service industry.

C~




Tarisa -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 1:12:12 PM)

looks around for the line...




Padriag -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 2:04:09 PM)

Line hell... I vote we clone her.

Can I get one in brunette? [:D]




kc692 -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 2:20:49 PM)

Ditto, I will step in line too......




Bobkgin -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 2:28:03 PM)

To no one in particular:

I can almost hear those eggs a hard boilin'.

What I don't understand is the vehemence against romance.




Padriag -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 2:36:21 PM)

:: sends Jen a dozen roses ::

Romantic enough for you?




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 2:40:51 PM)

Screw the roses..send her the thorns...now THAT's romantic




celticlord2112 -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 2:45:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

I believe her point, is--- fine if someone signs up for it and gets burned, stop coming to the boards and crying about how bad they were  treated.


What's this? And deprive us all of opportunities for snarkiness and gratuitous churlish behavior?




adoracat -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 3:11:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

To no one in particular:

I can almost hear those eggs a hard boilin'.

What I don't understand is the vehemence against romance.



because not everyone *wants* that.  i do.  Sir gives me that, it makes him JUST as happy as it make me.  we're well matched in that respect, we give each other love and respect and i get the spankies, and its all good.

but for someone who doesnt want romance, just humiliation, it wouldnt be a good fit.  same thing for someone like jen, who wants to be a servant.  its not always about what someone wants to *give*.....its also about what someone NEEDS to recieve.

kitten, who hopes that makes sense....




Padriag -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 3:14:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

Screw the roses..send her the thorns...now THAT's romantic

I was wondering who was going to say that.  LOL




Elegant -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 3:15:31 PM)

standing up and applauding!

Boi Jen,
Will MissKittyBlack let you be stolen away?...grin





e01n -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 3:17:32 PM)

nice rant OP...

So, what are you going to do other than talk about it?




Padriag -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 3:32:32 PM)

Probably enjoy the roses, the thorns, the drink, think over the marriage offers and then bask in the warm glow... but that's just a guess.




chellekitty -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 3:34:57 PM)

hey Jen...cleaned that strap-on yet? cause now i'm horny...again....hmm that might be a more common than not state for me though....




DrkJourney -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 3:39:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I'm so fuckin sick and tired of s-types bitching about Dommes charging money or not getting their way or just plain being unhappy.

1. If a Domme charges money even for first contact get over it. If you want it pay it. It doesn't make Her any less of a Domme it means Her time and energy is important and valuable. Which you should know already.

2. If you're unhappy DO something about it. We all made a choice to be where we are today. You have a choice to get up and go if the person you serve wants another play partner/servant/whatever. You don't have to share if you don't want to. Leaving is your choice.

3. Don't use 2 as a manipulative gesture...that's called Topping from the bottom.

Lastly, THEY are the one's in charge not your ass. It's about what they want that's what you signed up for so don't bitch about it. If you didn't negotiate something that would be YOUR fault for not establishing the boundary. Take responsibility for your own happiness and don't pin bad scenes on a Top or non-aftercare or ignorance of your feelings when you haven't explained it like a 3 year old. Hinting at something is NOT telling someone you need it.


[sm=applause.gif]




julietsierra -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 3:56:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I'm so fuckin sick and tired of s-types bitching about Dommes charging money or not getting their way or just plain being unhappy.

1. If a Domme charges money even for first contact get over it. If you want it pay it. It doesn't make Her any less of a Domme it means Her time and energy is important and valuable. Which you should know already.

2. If you're unhappy DO something about it. We all made a choice to be where we are today. You have a choice to get up and go if the person you serve wants another play partner/servant/whatever. You don't have to share if you don't want to. Leaving is your choice.

3. Don't use 2 as a manipulative gesture...that's called Topping from the bottom.

Lastly, THEY are the one's in charge not your ass. It's about what they want that's what you signed up for so don't bitch about it. If you didn't negotiate something that would be YOUR fault for not establishing the boundary. Take responsibility for your own happiness and don't pin bad scenes on a Top or non-aftercare or ignorance of your feelings when you haven't explained it like a 3 year old. Hinting at something is NOT telling someone you need it.


BoiJen:

MissKitty always HAS been a good judge of character!!! Please tell her I said hello. It's been a while!

And although I'm one of those s-types, I'd like to say thank you thank you thank you!!!

To the person that wondered about the vehemence against romance...

I figured someone would see it that way. For goodness sake! The point is that we ALL have different reasons and different interests in this life we lead.

First step: Make some good decisions on the front end of things. If you want romance and your partner doesn't, and you merely presumed that your partner wanted what you want, then just whose fault is it if you're unhappy?

Second step: If you get what you don't want, can't manage, etc, instead of whining over what a jerk, insensitive clod, you find your own denigrating accusation, he or she is, make up your damn mind what you're going to do! If you're going to leave, you don't need our permission or our approval rating. If you're going to stay, shut up and do what you said you'd do. If you're submitting, for crying out loud - SUBMIT.

Third step: If you don't like how someone else is living his or her life, here's a clue: Don't date, committ, hook up, you pick the verb, them. It's pretty darn simple.

If someone's a servant and isn't interested in romance, and finds someone they can serve without the romance, then good on them!!

If someone is interested in financial domination or whatever people are calling it, and finds someone they can practice their desires with, then good on them!!

And just because someone else doesn't like it, doesn't make one darn bit of difference to those who do.

THAT'S the point of the whole vehemence against romance stuff. How simple can it get?! Course, it DOES require someone to actually spend more than a minute thinking about this stuff rather than knee-jerking.

juliet




DrkJourney -> RE: Whiney Bitchy S-types- a vent (8/28/2007 3:56:53 PM)

If you didn't negotiate something that would be YOUR fault for not establishing the boundary. Take responsibility for your own happiness and don't pin bad scenes on a Top or non-aftercare or ignorance of your feelings when you haven't explained it like a 3 year old. Hinting at something is NOT telling someone you need it.

This is my favorite part.   It drives me totally insane when I am "trying" to negotiate with a prospective slave, and all I get is, "I am submissive, I am into whatever the Domme is into, it's their call"   or the famous  "I don't have limits it's all about what "you" want"

These are the ones that bitch the most when things get going, it's all push and pull and it turns out to be a major waste of time.  What did I do about it?  If someone can't put effort into a discussion, I tell them right then and there "no thank you"....You'd think they'd want to talk to learn as much as they can before training begins, especially since I will be doing things to them and their bodies....obviously they don't care about who they give their body to, as long as they being dominated.  I'm sure there are exceptions to this, so I'm only going from my experiences since I started all this.

Thank you again, great post!




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